scott

Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in
news:Xns9B19E95684C5Cjyanikkuanet@74.209.136.83:


>> They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't
>> mandated for all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...
>>
>> a
>>
>
> "MANDATED"??
> does government HAVE to get involved in this??? Is it really necessary?
>
> G-D socialists...
>
> you want one,BUY one.
>
> if enough people want them,then the manufacturers will include them as
> standard.(and raise the price accordingly.)
>
> G-D socialists...
>

Amen on the socialists.

Socialism in the USA is kind of like Robin Hood , except here it means

Rob from the hard working people that earn the money, take half for
yourself and use the other half to buy the votes to get reelected
from the people that don't want to work via welfare, food stamps, WIC,
etc.
end of rant

Back on topic, the Scangauge II is a very good product, I have had one
about a year and a half and love it. I have used it to train myself to
drive for mileage and get consistently above 30 mpg in town with an '02
Civic (MT).
Scott

Jim Yanik

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:EZydnRzxTKHpSlDVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> a <a@a.ca> wrote in news:zogzk.2785$yS5.1652@edtnps83:
>>
>>> JXStern wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:29 -0700, "Truckdude" <shrub@lipstick.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> These things are just plug and go for, say, a 2007 Accord?
>>>>> Other than choosing what items you want on the display, yes. That
>>>>> goes for any car manufactured for sale in the U.S. since 1996.
>>>> Kewl. Added to my toy wishlist.
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>> They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't
>>> mandated for all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...
>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>
>> "MANDATED"??
>> does government HAVE to get involved in this??? Is it really necessary?
>>
>> G-D socialists...
>>
>> you want one,BUY one.
>>
>> if enough people want them,then the manufacturers will include them as
>> standard.(and raise the price accordingly.)
>>
>> G-D socialists...
>>
>
> hold on a moment... if we had the ultimate "free market" where
> manufacturers could do whatever they wanted, vehicle computerization
> would give the ultimate lock-in for car manufacturers to rip off
> consumers and exclude the entire after-market vehicle repair business.
> and that nearly happened - bmw maintenance reminder anyone? but
> gub'mint mandated standardized and "open" obd ports and no lock-in.
> thus johnny independent can fix your new computerized frod, even if frod
> don't really want him to.


This is protecting the consumer(and keeping repair prices
competitive),quite different from mandating features people don't need,but
would LIKE to have.
Heck,even seatbelts and airbags save some lives.

Should air conditioning be made mandatory?
AM/FM/CD radios? Satellite radio?

What next?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Tegger

a <a@a.ca> wrote in news:zogzk.2785$yS5.1652@edtnps83:

> JXStern wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:29 -0700, "Truckdude" <shrub@lipstick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> These things are just plug and go for, say, a 2007 Accord?
>>> Other than choosing what items you want on the display, yes. That
>>> goes for any car manufactured for sale in the U.S. since 1996.
>>
>> Kewl. Added to my toy wishlist.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
> They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't
> mandated for all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...
>



Of course it would. But that's not the point.

The point of having a generic Check Engine light was to coerce the owner
into visiting a garage to find out what was wrong. Visiting a garage means
there would a greater chance the problem (and maybe others) would get fixed
and not ignored. Fixed problems theoretically mean lower emissions, the
whole point of OBD-II in the first place.

At one time government bureaucrats were thinking that even this was not
enough, and there was talk of mandating an "OBD-III" that would actually
snitch on you to the government if you were driving around with your Check
Engine light on and not getting it looked at. I don't think that idea has
gone anywhere...yet.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

jim beam

Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:EZydnRzxTKHpSlDVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>> a <a@a.ca> wrote in news:zogzk.2785$yS5.1652@edtnps83:
>>>
>>>> JXStern wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:29 -0700, "Truckdude" <shrub@lipstick.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things are just plug and go for, say, a 2007 Accord?
>>>>>> Other than choosing what items you want on the display, yes. That
>>>>>> goes for any car manufactured for sale in the U.S. since 1996.
>>>>> Kewl. Added to my toy wishlist.
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>> They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't
>>>> mandated for all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>> "MANDATED"??
>>> does government HAVE to get involved in this??? Is it really necessary?
>>>
>>> G-D socialists...
>>>
>>> you want one,BUY one.
>>>
>>> if enough people want them,then the manufacturers will include them as
>>> standard.(and raise the price accordingly.)
>>>
>>> G-D socialists...
>>>
>> hold on a moment... if we had the ultimate "free market" where
>> manufacturers could do whatever they wanted, vehicle computerization
>> would give the ultimate lock-in for car manufacturers to rip off
>> consumers and exclude the entire after-market vehicle repair business.
>> and that nearly happened - bmw maintenance reminder anyone? but
>> gub'mint mandated standardized and "open" obd ports and no lock-in.
>> thus johnny independent can fix your new computerized frod, even if frod
>> don't really want him to.
>
>
> This is protecting the consumer(and keeping repair prices
> competitive),quite different from mandating features people don't need,

dude, with respect, you need to sit on the freeway behind some 50's
detroit garbage and suck in those fumes for a few miles. seems you've
forgotten the old days.


> but
> would LIKE to have.
> Heck,even seatbelts and airbags save some lives.
>
> Should air conditioning be made mandatory?
> AM/FM/CD radios? Satellite radio?
>
> What next?
>

Jim Yanik

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:0MKdnfPUC4J6w1PVnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@speakeasy.net:

> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
>> news:EZydnRzxTKHpSlDVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>
>>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>>> a <a@a.ca> wrote in news:zogzk.2785$yS5.1652@edtnps83:
>>>>
>>>>> JXStern wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:29 -0700, "Truckdude"
>>>>>> <shrub@lipstick.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things are just plug and go for, say, a 2007 Accord?
>>>>>>> Other than choosing what items you want on the display, yes.
>>>>>>> That goes for any car manufactured for sale in the U.S. since
>>>>>>> 1996.
>>>>>> Kewl. Added to my toy wishlist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't
>>>>> mandated for all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>> "MANDATED"??
>>>> does government HAVE to get involved in this??? Is it really
>>>> necessary?
>>>>
>>>> G-D socialists...
>>>>
>>>> you want one,BUY one.
>>>>
>>>> if enough people want them,then the manufacturers will include them
>>>> as standard.(and raise the price accordingly.)
>>>>
>>>> G-D socialists...
>>>>
>>> hold on a moment... if we had the ultimate "free market" where
>>> manufacturers could do whatever they wanted, vehicle computerization
>>> would give the ultimate lock-in for car manufacturers to rip off
>>> consumers and exclude the entire after-market vehicle repair
>>> business. and that nearly happened - bmw maintenance reminder
>>> anyone? but gub'mint mandated standardized and "open" obd ports and
>>> no lock-in. thus johnny independent can fix your new computerized
>>> frod, even if frod don't really want him to.
>>
>>
>> This is protecting the consumer(and keeping repair prices
>> competitive),quite different from mandating features people don't
>> need,
>
> dude, with respect, you need to sit on the freeway behind some 50's
> detroit garbage and suck in those fumes for a few miles. seems you've
> forgotten the old days.

Still no reason for government to "mandate" unnecessary items like
Scangauge,radios,or AC as "standard".
Sure,I'd like to have a Scangauge myself,but I do NOT agree that gov't
needs to mandate them.
Heck,most people wouldn't bother with them,wouldn't even realize they were
a feature of their autos.
But that Canuck would have EVERYBODY have to buy them,as part of a gov't
mandated standard;the auto companies don't install that stuff for free.
>
>
>> but
>> would LIKE to have.
>> Heck,even seatbelts and airbags save some lives.
>>
>> Should air conditioning be made mandatory?
>> AM/FM/CD radios? Satellite radio?
>>
>> What next?
>>
>



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

JXStern

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:39:27 GMT, a <a@a.ca> wrote:

>JXStern wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:25:29 -0700, "Truckdude" <shrub@lipstick.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> These things are just plug and go for, say, a 2007 Accord?
>>> Other than choosing what items you want on the display, yes. That goes for
>>> any car manufactured for sale in the U.S. since 1996.
>>
>> Kewl. Added to my toy wishlist.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
>They can save you lots of money - I don't know why they aren't mandated for
>all vehicles - the cost would be minimal...

Avoiding the term "mandated", since so many cars already come with
video screens anyway for navigation or whatever, you'd think they'd
come with a diagnostic display right on there, too, but noooooo.

J.