Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.

No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
all the other manufacturer's are following it.

It's been on the books since 1974.

"Oct. 1974

Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
(buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.

No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
all the other manufacturer's are following it.

It's been on the books since 1974.

"Oct. 1974

Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
(buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.

No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
all the other manufacturer's are following it.

It's been on the books since 1974.

"Oct. 1974

Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
(buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>
> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>
> It's been on the books since 1974.
>
> "Oct. 1974
>
> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>
> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>
> It's been on the books since 1974.
>
> "Oct. 1974
>
> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>
> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>
> It's been on the books since 1974.
>
> "Oct. 1974
>
> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>
> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>
> It's been on the books since 1974.
>
> "Oct. 1974
>
> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."

The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Robert" <kraft.fhs@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1154556503.163342.231220@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime.


My friend, it is COMPLETELY and WHOLLY a government thing. 100%.
Would Honda voluntarily risk pissing off its buyers with such nannyism?



> It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.



It has been a federal requirement that the car should have an seat belt
indicator light since the 1971 model year. The chime was mandated a few
years later. The early chimes were easily defeated. Modern ones are not.

Since about 2004 (not sure here, could be 2005), it has been federally
required that the light and chime repeat continuously every twenty seconds
or so once the vehicle has moved at least once and the driver's belt has
not been done up. It does not appear that this requirement covers the
pasenger seat. Some manufacturers (Ford for instance) extend the regulatory
mandate to the passenger seat as well as the driver seat. Chrysler does not
(or did not in 2005, the last time I drove a new Chrysler product).

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Robert" <kraft.fhs@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1154556503.163342.231220@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime.


My friend, it is COMPLETELY and WHOLLY a government thing. 100%.
Would Honda voluntarily risk pissing off its buyers with such nannyism?



> It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.



It has been a federal requirement that the car should have an seat belt
indicator light since the 1971 model year. The chime was mandated a few
years later. The early chimes were easily defeated. Modern ones are not.

Since about 2004 (not sure here, could be 2005), it has been federally
required that the light and chime repeat continuously every twenty seconds
or so once the vehicle has moved at least once and the driver's belt has
not been done up. It does not appear that this requirement covers the
pasenger seat. Some manufacturers (Ford for instance) extend the regulatory
mandate to the passenger seat as well as the driver seat. Chrysler does not
(or did not in 2005, the last time I drove a new Chrysler product).

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Robert" <kraft.fhs@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1154556503.163342.231220@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
> anything to have a seatbelt chime.


My friend, it is COMPLETELY and WHOLLY a government thing. 100%.
Would Honda voluntarily risk pissing off its buyers with such nannyism?



> It's just a feature from Honda to
> compel buyers to drive safer.



It has been a federal requirement that the car should have an seat belt
indicator light since the 1971 model year. The chime was mandated a few
years later. The early chimes were easily defeated. Modern ones are not.

Since about 2004 (not sure here, could be 2005), it has been federally
required that the light and chime repeat continuously every twenty seconds
or so once the vehicle has moved at least once and the driver's belt has
not been done up. It does not appear that this requirement covers the
pasenger seat. Some manufacturers (Ford for instance) extend the regulatory
mandate to the passenger seat as well as the driver seat. Chrysler does not
(or did not in 2005, the last time I drove a new Chrysler product).

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Seth wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and all
>> the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>
>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>
>> "Oct. 1974
>>
>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit use
>> of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder (buzzer)
>> for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration after engine
>> ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>
> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt buzzer.
> It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound for. If it
> was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way back in 1974,
> how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been in all cars for
> the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt buzzer.

I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.

Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning
system which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it
evolved to allow chimes.

<http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>

As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles
and grins?

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.