Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

Wow, I never knew all of those laws even existed. I just supposed since
my 2004 Volvo (supposedly the champion of safety) didn't have a
seatbelt chime that it wasn't required. I guess I'd better have it
looked at.

Either way, I don't think of seatbelt chimes as a bad thing, just a
little reminder. That's all I'm saying.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%4cAg.1879$9T3.1036@newssvr25.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.

Re: seatbelt reminder chime on 2006 accord
 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:%4cAg.1879$9T3.1036@newssvr25.news.prodigy.ne t...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:oB9Ag.632$FN2.464@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com. ..
>>> Robert, wrote the following at or about 8/2/2006 5:08 PM:
>>>> The "government" isn't doing anything, it's not a law or mandate or
>>>> anything to have a seatbelt chime. It's just a feature from Honda to
>>>> compel buyers to drive safer.
>>> No, you're wrong. It actually is a federal law and Honda, Toyota and
>>> all the other manufacturer's are following it.
>>>
>>> It's been on the books since 1974.
>>>
>>> "Oct. 1974
>>>
>>> Despite fact that seat belt-ignition interlocks increase seat belt use
>>> rate to as high as 60 percent, Congress enacts legislation to prohibit
>>> use of seat belt-ignition interlock and to limit any audible reminder
>>> (buzzer) for seat belt use to not longer than 8 seconds in duration
>>> after engine ignition. See 49 USC § 30124."
>>
>> The way I read that it is not saying that a car must have a seatbelt
>> buzzer. It is limiting the length of time the seatbelt buzzer can sound
>> for. If it was mandated that you must have a seatbelt buzzer all the way
>> back in 1974, how come that is a fairly recent addition and hasn't been
>> in all cars for the past 30+ years. My '01 Accord has no seatbelt
>> buzzer.
>
> I wasn't going to put the whole chronology for the seat belt reminders,
> etc. here as I figured that most would either understand or do a little
> research on their own. Apparently I was wrong.
>
> Here's a link that might help you with the evolution of the warning system
> which was required beginning around 1972. Yeah, surprise, it evolved to
> allow chimes.
>
> <http://www.citizen.org/documents/Chron_Belt_Minder.pdf>
>
> As to whether or not they were required by the FEDS (they were)a bit of
> common sense thought might provide a clue. When we see lawsuits against
> Ford, etc. for omitting a part that might have cost them $0.38 per unit
> which resulted (at least it was argued to be so) in serious injuries in
> death due to that omission in the name of profit, why would anyone think
> they were putting bells, buzzers, chimes, etc. in vehicles for giggles and
> grins?

All that to say, yeah, the law dating back to 1974 was NOT to mandate the
use of chimes like I said?

I didn't say there were no laws regarding seatbelt reminders. I was only
challenging the supposition that there was a 1974 law requiring that cars
have chimes.