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Charles Lasitter 04-22-2006 04:46 AM

Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
with the horsepower in the v6.

Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
Honda's future?
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Bob Jones 04-22-2006 03:52 PM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
> with the horsepower in the v6.
>
> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
> Honda's future?


I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter was
not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.

4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with
6-speed manual.



Bob Jones 04-22-2006 03:52 PM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
> with the horsepower in the v6.
>
> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
> Honda's future?


I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter was
not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.

4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with
6-speed manual.



Bob Jones 04-22-2006 03:52 PM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
> with the horsepower in the v6.
>
> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
> Honda's future?


I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter was
not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.

4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with
6-speed manual.



Charles Lasitter 04-23-2006 03:10 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:

> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
> with 6-speed manual.


I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.

I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
Toyota 2AZFE.

I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
the Toyota.
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| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
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+-----------------------------------------+

Charles Lasitter 04-23-2006 03:10 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:

> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
> with 6-speed manual.


I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.

I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
Toyota 2AZFE.

I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
the Toyota.
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| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

Charles Lasitter 04-23-2006 03:10 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:

> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
> with 6-speed manual.


I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.

I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
Toyota 2AZFE.

I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
the Toyota.
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| Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping |
| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

DervMan 04-23-2006 05:11 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
"Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote in message
news:3Qv2g.62910$F_3.3147@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
>> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
>> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
>> with the horsepower in the v6.
>>
>> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
>> Honda's future?

>
> I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter
> was not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.
>
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty,


You forgot "US specification" there.

The previous generation Accord has 105 bhp (2.0td), 108 bhp (106), 134 bhp
(1.8), 145 (2.0) and 210 (2.2) four cylinder options.

The current one has 150 bhp (2.0) and 190 bhp (2.4) options. Oh and a 135
bhp 2.2 diesel too.

> so I don't think they will be made with 6-speed manual.


See above comment about "US specification" heh.

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com



DervMan 04-23-2006 05:11 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
"Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote in message
news:3Qv2g.62910$F_3.3147@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
>> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
>> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
>> with the horsepower in the v6.
>>
>> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
>> Honda's future?

>
> I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter
> was not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.
>
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty,


You forgot "US specification" there.

The previous generation Accord has 105 bhp (2.0td), 108 bhp (106), 134 bhp
(1.8), 145 (2.0) and 210 (2.2) four cylinder options.

The current one has 150 bhp (2.0) and 190 bhp (2.4) options. Oh and a 135
bhp 2.2 diesel too.

> so I don't think they will be made with 6-speed manual.


See above comment about "US specification" heh.

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com



DervMan 04-23-2006 05:11 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 
"Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote in message
news:3Qv2g.62910$F_3.3147@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
>
> "Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
> news:fvqj42hd5uh35dqoral90r2vpr39qfinb7@4ax.com...
>>I really love this engine, and think that an LX or EX in this
>> configuration would be a welcome addition for Honda. With the bump
>> in horsepower for the i4 in 2006, I'm not sure I know what I'd do
>> with the horsepower in the v6.
>>
>> Can anyone here peer into their crystal ball and see this combination in
>> Honda's future?

>
> I test drove a 5-speed manual Accord a couple of years ago. The shifter
> was not sporty, so I bought an Acura RSX with a shorter stick.
>
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty,


You forgot "US specification" there.

The previous generation Accord has 105 bhp (2.0td), 108 bhp (106), 134 bhp
(1.8), 145 (2.0) and 210 (2.2) four cylinder options.

The current one has 150 bhp (2.0) and 190 bhp (2.4) options. Oh and a 135
bhp 2.2 diesel too.

> so I don't think they will be made with 6-speed manual.


See above comment about "US specification" heh.

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com



Bob Jones 04-23-2006 10:54 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:dc9m42d3gknvpojbjga9svjrtl23bvkbqb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:
>
>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
>> with 6-speed manual.

>
> I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.
>
> I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
> boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
> Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
> Toyota 2AZFE.
>
> I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
> some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
> the Toyota.


Yuh, Toyota Camry is more of an all-around family cruiser. It is by no mean
sporty, but it does have a good quality ride and interior.

Horsepower can be deceiving. BMW feels more powerful with slightly less
horsepower than many V6s out there. With Accord, you really have to kick it
up to high RPMs.



Bob Jones 04-23-2006 10:54 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:dc9m42d3gknvpojbjga9svjrtl23bvkbqb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:
>
>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
>> with 6-speed manual.

>
> I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.
>
> I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
> boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
> Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
> Toyota 2AZFE.
>
> I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
> some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
> the Toyota.


Yuh, Toyota Camry is more of an all-around family cruiser. It is by no mean
sporty, but it does have a good quality ride and interior.

Horsepower can be deceiving. BMW feels more powerful with slightly less
horsepower than many V6s out there. With Accord, you really have to kick it
up to high RPMs.



Bob Jones 04-23-2006 10:54 AM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

"Charles Lasitter" <spoof@address.com> wrote in message
news:dc9m42d3gknvpojbjga9svjrtl23bvkbqb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:52:31 GMT, "Bob Jones" <email@me.not> wrote:
>
>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made
>> with 6-speed manual.

>
> I guess it depends on what you're comparing the engine against.
>
> I test drove a '07 Toyota SE today, and while I love the comparative
> boatload of features you get for the money with the Toyota SE, the
> Honda K24A4 has the persona of a caged beast compared to the 4-cyl
> Toyota 2AZFE.
>
> I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
> some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
> the Toyota.


Yuh, Toyota Camry is more of an all-around family cruiser. It is by no mean
sporty, but it does have a good quality ride and interior.

Horsepower can be deceiving. BMW feels more powerful with slightly less
horsepower than many V6s out there. With Accord, you really have to kick it
up to high RPMs.



ACAR 04-23-2006 04:47 PM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
>
> I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
> some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
> the Toyota.
>


But were you going slower?
Did you actually look at the speedo to compare speed at various places
along the same test drive route? (Then you get to figure out how much
of any speed difference may be due to those high performance tires you
put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires on the Camry.)

Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a
6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed
manuals.


ACAR 04-23-2006 04:47 PM

Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
 

Charles Lasitter wrote:
>
> I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for
> some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving
> the Toyota.
>


But were you going slower?
Did you actually look at the speedo to compare speed at various places
along the same test drive route? (Then you get to figure out how much
of any speed difference may be due to those high performance tires you
put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires on the Camry.)

Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a
6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed
manuals.



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