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Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
Charles Lasitter wrote: > > I know there's only eight horsepower difference between the two, but for > some reason I kept thinking "putter-putter-putter" while I was driving > the Toyota. > But were you going slower? Did you actually look at the speedo to compare speed at various places along the same test drive route? (Then you get to figure out how much of any speed difference may be due to those high performance tires you put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires on the Camry.) Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a 6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed manuals. |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
On 23 Apr 2006 13:47:45 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But were you going slower? Nope. Pretty much same speeds. > (Then you get to figure out how much of any speed difference may be due to > those high performance tires you put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires > on the Camry.) Uh-Oh! Been keeping track of my mods to the Honda .... It has the same Michelin Energy MXV4 S8s that I had stock in the Honda, except they were 15" in the Honda vs 16" in the Toyota LE. I really hated those tires, so I replaced them with the 215-55/16 P Zero Nero M&S. Still, the Honda i4 will bust those tires loose effortlessly.. I just think it's obvious that the Camry designers are gearing their efforts towards a nice, safe, tame, family market. > Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a > 6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed > manuals. That'd be a dream come true for me. But unfortunately Honda and Toyota seem to approach options completely differently. I guess, more than anything else, I'm really keen on finding out what kind of new standard features the '07 Accords will have in response to the incredible list of standard features that are available on the Camry. +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
On 23 Apr 2006 13:47:45 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But were you going slower? Nope. Pretty much same speeds. > (Then you get to figure out how much of any speed difference may be due to > those high performance tires you put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires > on the Camry.) Uh-Oh! Been keeping track of my mods to the Honda .... It has the same Michelin Energy MXV4 S8s that I had stock in the Honda, except they were 15" in the Honda vs 16" in the Toyota LE. I really hated those tires, so I replaced them with the 215-55/16 P Zero Nero M&S. Still, the Honda i4 will bust those tires loose effortlessly.. I just think it's obvious that the Camry designers are gearing their efforts towards a nice, safe, tame, family market. > Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a > 6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed > manuals. That'd be a dream come true for me. But unfortunately Honda and Toyota seem to approach options completely differently. I guess, more than anything else, I'm really keen on finding out what kind of new standard features the '07 Accords will have in response to the incredible list of standard features that are available on the Camry. +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
On 23 Apr 2006 13:47:45 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But were you going slower? Nope. Pretty much same speeds. > (Then you get to figure out how much of any speed difference may be due to > those high performance tires you put onto your Accord vs. the lousy tires > on the Camry.) Uh-Oh! Been keeping track of my mods to the Honda .... It has the same Michelin Energy MXV4 S8s that I had stock in the Honda, except they were 15" in the Honda vs 16" in the Toyota LE. I really hated those tires, so I replaced them with the 215-55/16 P Zero Nero M&S. Still, the Honda i4 will bust those tires loose effortlessly.. I just think it's obvious that the Camry designers are gearing their efforts towards a nice, safe, tame, family market. > Neither the Accord or Camry is especially sporty but you might see a > 6-speed in the Accord I4 if Honda decides to standardize 6-speed > manuals. That'd be a dream come true for me. But unfortunately Honda and Toyota seem to approach options completely differently. I guess, more than anything else, I'm really keen on finding out what kind of new standard features the '07 Accords will have in response to the incredible list of standard features that are available on the Camry. +-----------------------------------------+ | Charles Lasitter | Mailing/Shipping | | 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St | | cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 | +-----------------------------------------+ |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
Bob Jones wrote:
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with > 6-speed manual. There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is to have them in the power band. |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
Bob Jones wrote:
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with > 6-speed manual. There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is to have them in the power band. |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
Bob Jones wrote:
> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with > 6-speed manual. There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is to have them in the power band. |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... > Bob Jones wrote: >> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >> 6-speed manual. > > There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in > ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide > apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. > > In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range > most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often > because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow > "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is > to have them in the power band. > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. 40 MPG highway?? ;-) -Nick |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... > Bob Jones wrote: >> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >> 6-speed manual. > > There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in > ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide > apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. > > In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range > most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often > because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow > "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is > to have them in the power band. > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. 40 MPG highway?? ;-) -Nick |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... > Bob Jones wrote: >> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >> 6-speed manual. > > There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in > ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide > apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. > > In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range > most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often > because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow > "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is > to have them in the power band. > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. 40 MPG highway?? ;-) -Nick |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote in message
news:H6c3g.15387$NG.9056@dukeread10... > > "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... >> Bob Jones wrote: >>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >>> 6-speed manual. >> >> There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in >> ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide >> apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. >> >> In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range >> most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often >> because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow >> "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is >> to have them in the power band. >> > > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine > (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just > standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 > different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they > could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. > 40 MPG highway?? ;-) Hmmmmm... I still reckon having more than one overdriven gear is a waste of flexibility lower down. Perhaps raising the final drive and putting fifth as the direct drive...? -- The DervMan www.dervman.com |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote in message
news:H6c3g.15387$NG.9056@dukeread10... > > "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... >> Bob Jones wrote: >>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >>> 6-speed manual. >> >> There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in >> ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide >> apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. >> >> In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range >> most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often >> because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow >> "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is >> to have them in the power band. >> > > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine > (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just > standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 > different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they > could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. > 40 MPG highway?? ;-) Hmmmmm... I still reckon having more than one overdriven gear is a waste of flexibility lower down. Perhaps raising the final drive and putting fifth as the direct drive...? -- The DervMan www.dervman.com |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
"Dr Nick" <Drnick5@cox.net> wrote in message
news:H6c3g.15387$NG.9056@dukeread10... > > "Kaz Kylheku" <kkylheku@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1145913104.853560.73380@g10g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com... >> Bob Jones wrote: >>> 4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made with >>> 6-speed manual. >> >> There are good non-sporty applications for a 6 speed gearbox. Even in >> ordinary use, five speeds can sometimes feel a little bit too wide >> apart over a weak inline 4, particularly one with poor low-end torque. >> >> In day to day city driving, I keep the RPM in the 1800 to 2200 range >> most of the time, sometimes venturing into the 2500-3000 zone (often >> because there isn't a good gear available to avoid it!) In this narrow >> "conservative band", it is just as useful to have more gears as it is >> to have them in the power band. >> > > I agree, don't they use a 6 speed in the TSX that uses the same engine > (although with a higher compression ratio)? seems like they coudl just > standardize the manual to be a 6 speed with minor gearing tweeks for the 2 > different engines. Hell, if they want to boost highway efficency, they > could put 5th and 6th as overdrives, and just make 6th a super tall gear. > 40 MPG highway?? ;-) Hmmmmm... I still reckon having more than one overdriven gear is a waste of flexibility lower down. Perhaps raising the final drive and putting fifth as the direct drive...? -- The DervMan www.dervman.com |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
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>>4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made >>with 6-speed manual. In the US you can get the 4 cylinder/6 speed euro-style Accord, but you have to go to the Acura dealer and ask for a "TSX" to get it. Darn nice car :). John |
Re: Six-Speed + i4: Why not?
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>>4-cyl Accords are not sporty, so I don't think they will be made >>with 6-speed manual. In the US you can get the 4 cylinder/6 speed euro-style Accord, but you have to go to the Acura dealer and ask for a "TSX" to get it. Darn nice car :). John |
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