Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:

> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a short
> from the radio.

All good suggestions!


>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced the
>> passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks ago,
>> and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>
>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of the
>> JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more) All the
>> other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash replaced in
>> January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks ago.
>>
>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray magentism'
>> anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type into the
>> speaker area.
>>
>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a Clarion,
>> not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...) Connections
>> are tight.
>>
>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>

JoeSpareBedroom

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a short
>> from the radio.
>
> All good suggestions!

Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well with
tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips over the
edges of the hole for securing the speaker.

JoeSpareBedroom

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a short
>> from the radio.
>
> All good suggestions!

Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well with
tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips over the
edges of the hole for securing the speaker.

JoeSpareBedroom

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>
>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a short
>> from the radio.
>
> All good suggestions!

Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well with
tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips over the
edges of the hole for securing the speaker.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:03:03 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>>
>>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a
>>> short from the radio.
>>
>> All good suggestions!
>
> Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
> much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
> cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well
> with tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips
> over the edges of the hole for securing the speaker.


I have wooden 'test boxes' I use for testing speakers/radios. No Problem!

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:03:03 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>>
>>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a
>>> short from the radio.
>>
>> All good suggestions!
>
> Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
> much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
> cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well
> with tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips
> over the edges of the hole for securing the speaker.


I have wooden 'test boxes' I use for testing speakers/radios. No Problem!

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:03:03 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:18Fhi.775$DM4.60@trndny06...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:20:54 +0000, Art wrote:
>>
>>> Find a cheap speaker, hook if up electrically but don't install it
>>> physically. Just extend the wires and leave it somewhere in the car to
>>> figure out whether it is related to the physical installation or a
>>> short from the radio.
>>
>> All good suggestions!
>
> Except for one thing: A speaker without an enclosure will produce pretty
> much zero bass, which will tempt you to turn it up and fry it. Find a
> cardboard box about the size of a small bookshelf speaker. Seal it well
> with tape, cut a hole that's right for the speaker, and use speed clips
> over the edges of the hole for securing the speaker.


I have wooden 'test boxes' I use for testing speakers/radios. No Problem!

Kerry

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced the
>>> passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks ago,
>>> and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>
>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of the
>>> JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more) All the
>>> other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash replaced in
>>> January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks ago.
>>>
>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray magentism'
>>> anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type into the
>>> speaker area.
>>>
>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a Clarion,
>>> not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...) Connections
>>> are tight.
>>>
>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>> What size are these speakers?
>
>
> 5"

In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker as
quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max for it
to work at all.


>

Kerry

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced the
>>> passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks ago,
>>> and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>
>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of the
>>> JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more) All the
>>> other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash replaced in
>>> January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks ago.
>>>
>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray magentism'
>>> anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type into the
>>> speaker area.
>>>
>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a Clarion,
>>> not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...) Connections
>>> are tight.
>>>
>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>> What size are these speakers?
>
>
> 5"

In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker as
quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max for it
to work at all.


>

Kerry

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced the
>>> passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks ago,
>>> and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>
>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of the
>>> JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more) All the
>>> other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash replaced in
>>> January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks ago.
>>>
>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray magentism'
>>> anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type into the
>>> speaker area.
>>>
>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a Clarion,
>>> not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...) Connections
>>> are tight.
>>>
>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>> What size are these speakers?
>
>
> 5"

In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker as
quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max for it
to work at all.


>

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:52:21 +0000, Kerry wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced
>>>> the passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks
>>>> ago, and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>>
>>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of
>>>> the JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more)
>>>> All the other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash
>>>> replaced in January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray
>>>> magentism' anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type
>>>> into the speaker area.
>>>>
>>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a
>>>> Clarion, not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...)
>>>> Connections are tight.
>>>>
>>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What size are these speakers?
>>
>>
>> 5"
>
> In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
> car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker
> as quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max
> for it to work at all.

It doesn't?!

(He don't know me too well...)

I have a JVC headunit in my Supra, powering a 100Wx4 channel amp, and 4
100W MB Quarts at each corner. Since the roof comes off the car, I wanted
something I could hear over the road and wind noise.

3rd year and no problem! I rarely have problems with my installations.
That's why this is so perplexing.

But, I am a bass player, so I want to HEAR the bass. It's just odd that
it's always this one speaker! The left front has been in there since I
took the original pair out. I always replace with 4 ohm speakers so the
balance is correct all the way around.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:52:21 +0000, Kerry wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced
>>>> the passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks
>>>> ago, and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>>
>>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of
>>>> the JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more)
>>>> All the other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash
>>>> replaced in January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray
>>>> magentism' anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type
>>>> into the speaker area.
>>>>
>>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a
>>>> Clarion, not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...)
>>>> Connections are tight.
>>>>
>>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What size are these speakers?
>>
>>
>> 5"
>
> In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
> car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker
> as quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max
> for it to work at all.

It doesn't?!

(He don't know me too well...)

I have a JVC headunit in my Supra, powering a 100Wx4 channel amp, and 4
100W MB Quarts at each corner. Since the roof comes off the car, I wanted
something I could hear over the road and wind noise.

3rd year and no problem! I rarely have problems with my installations.
That's why this is so perplexing.

But, I am a bass player, so I want to HEAR the bass. It's just odd that
it's always this one speaker! The left front has been in there since I
took the original pair out. I always replace with 4 ohm speakers so the
balance is correct all the way around.

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:52:21 +0000, Kerry wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced
>>>> the passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks
>>>> ago, and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>>
>>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of
>>>> the JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more)
>>>> All the other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash
>>>> replaced in January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray
>>>> magentism' anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type
>>>> into the speaker area.
>>>>
>>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a
>>>> Clarion, not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...)
>>>> Connections are tight.
>>>>
>>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What size are these speakers?
>>
>>
>> 5"
>
> In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed the
> car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker
> as quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max
> for it to work at all.

It doesn't?!

(He don't know me too well...)

I have a JVC headunit in my Supra, powering a 100Wx4 channel amp, and 4
100W MB Quarts at each corner. Since the roof comes off the car, I wanted
something I could hear over the road and wind noise.

3rd year and no problem! I rarely have problems with my installations.
That's why this is so perplexing.

But, I am a bass player, so I want to HEAR the bass. It's just odd that
it's always this one speaker! The left front has been in there since I
took the original pair out. I always replace with 4 ohm speakers so the
balance is correct all the way around.

JoeSpareBedroom

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:SIiii.8690$pa5.17@trndny05...
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:52:21 +0000, Kerry wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced
>>>>> the passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks
>>>>> ago, and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of
>>>>> the JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more)
>>>>> All the other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash
>>>>> replaced in January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray
>>>>> magentism' anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type
>>>>> into the speaker area.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a
>>>>> Clarion, not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...)
>>>>> Connections are tight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What size are these speakers?
>>>
>>>
>>> 5"
>>
>> In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed
>> the
>> car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker
>> as quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max
>> for it to work at all.
>
> It doesn't?!
>
> (He don't know me too well...)
>
> I have a JVC headunit in my Supra, powering a 100Wx4 channel amp, and 4
> 100W MB Quarts at each corner. Since the roof comes off the car, I wanted
> something I could hear over the road and wind noise.
>
> 3rd year and no problem! I rarely have problems with my installations.
> That's why this is so perplexing.
>
> But, I am a bass player, so I want to HEAR the bass. It's just odd that
> it's always this one speaker! The left front has been in there since I
> took the original pair out. I always replace with 4 ohm speakers so the
> balance is correct all the way around.


You're asking for something that's *just about* physically impossible from
5" speakers in imperfect enclosures (doors). Here's an experiment you might
want to try, though. I have been told that Radio Shack sells a decibel meter
that reasonably accurate. With the car's top off, and no Harley or 18
wheeler nearby to add noise, measure how many decibels of noise there are
just driving down the road with the radio off. I think you'll find that it's
pretty close to 100db, especially with the wind in certain directions
relative to the car.

To make enough clean, tight bass to overcome that noise if it existed in a
bar, you'd want a lot more power than you have. You'd have larger speakers,
and the enclosures would be designed for those speakers. I'm also a bass
player, so don't debate this, OK?

By the way, what's the brand and model of your car amp?

JoeSpareBedroom

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:SIiii.8690$pa5.17@trndny05...
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:52:21 +0000, Kerry wrote:
>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news%Ehi.882$wu5.139@trndny03...
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:05:07 +0000, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:wPphi.70$bh5.29@trndny01...
>>>>> My Mazda 626 seems to have an appetite for speakers. I have replaced
>>>>> the passenger's side front speaker for the third time a couple weeks
>>>>> ago, and already it's buzzing like a bee is trapped in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The speakers installed are capable of MORE than the rated wattage of
>>>>> the JVC Cd player (~22 Watts per channel, speakers are 50W or more)
>>>>> All the other speakers work great, including the Driver's side dash
>>>>> replaced in January as a set with the one that went bad a couple weeks
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any leaks, there doesn't appear to be any 'stray
>>>>> magentism' anywhere around, no obstructions or protrusions of any type
>>>>> into the speaker area.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm out of 'inexpensive' speakers (the last one that blew was a
>>>>> Clarion, not the most expensive, but not a cheapo by any means...)
>>>>> Connections are tight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually audio problems don't throw me, but this one has me stumped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What size are these speakers?
>>>
>>>
>>> 5"
>>
>> In my situation it seemd to follow about the 3rd time my teen borrowed
>> the
>> car...every time. I'm sure you know that distortion will kill a speaker
>> as quick as power. This one seemed to think the volume had to be on max
>> for it to work at all.
>
> It doesn't?!
>
> (He don't know me too well...)
>
> I have a JVC headunit in my Supra, powering a 100Wx4 channel amp, and 4
> 100W MB Quarts at each corner. Since the roof comes off the car, I wanted
> something I could hear over the road and wind noise.
>
> 3rd year and no problem! I rarely have problems with my installations.
> That's why this is so perplexing.
>
> But, I am a bass player, so I want to HEAR the bass. It's just odd that
> it's always this one speaker! The left front has been in there since I
> took the original pair out. I always replace with 4 ohm speakers so the
> balance is correct all the way around.


You're asking for something that's *just about* physically impossible from
5" speakers in imperfect enclosures (doors). Here's an experiment you might
want to try, though. I have been told that Radio Shack sells a decibel meter
that reasonably accurate. With the car's top off, and no Harley or 18
wheeler nearby to add noise, measure how many decibels of noise there are
just driving down the road with the radio off. I think you'll find that it's
pretty close to 100db, especially with the wind in certain directions
relative to the car.

To make enough clean, tight bass to overcome that noise if it existed in a
bar, you'd want a lot more power than you have. You'd have larger speakers,
and the enclosures would be designed for those speakers. I'm also a bass
player, so don't debate this, OK?

By the way, what's the brand and model of your car amp?