Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

Jim Mowreader wrote:
>
> I have a 1986 Accord LX-I with manual transmission.
>
> When the car is cold, it starts fine, and it always runs fine. <SNIP>

---------------------------------

It's the main relay. Chilling the interior, or vibrating the relay will
make it work properly. That's why push starting it works. Smacking the
dash on the left side with the key in position II will force it to prime
the rail too, or slamming the door. .

Just fix the relay. . . . Life is too short.

'Curly'

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

Jim Mowreader wrote:
>
> I have a 1986 Accord LX-I with manual transmission.
>
> When the car is cold, it starts fine, and it always runs fine. <SNIP>

---------------------------------

It's the main relay. Chilling the interior, or vibrating the relay will
make it work properly. That's why push starting it works. Smacking the
dash on the left side with the key in position II will force it to prime
the rail too, or slamming the door. .

Just fix the relay. . . . Life is too short.

'Curly'

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

Jim Mowreader wrote:
>
> I have a 1986 Accord LX-I with manual transmission.
>
> When the car is cold, it starts fine, and it always runs fine. <SNIP>

---------------------------------

It's the main relay. Chilling the interior, or vibrating the relay will
make it work properly. That's why push starting it works. Smacking the
dash on the left side with the key in position II will force it to prime
the rail too, or slamming the door. .

Just fix the relay. . . . Life is too short.

'Curly'

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

Jim Mowreader wrote:
>
> I have a 1986 Accord LX-I with manual transmission.
>
> When the car is cold, it starts fine, and it always runs fine. <SNIP>

---------------------------------

It's the main relay. Chilling the interior, or vibrating the relay will
make it work properly. That's why push starting it works. Smacking the
dash on the left side with the key in position II will force it to prime
the rail too, or slamming the door. .

Just fix the relay. . . . Life is too short.

'Curly'

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <uOudnZS0KOyhCybZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> er, it wouldn't run at all if the injector system couldn't figure out
> when to start injecting...

Doesn't the crank position sensor (which would trigger during a push
start, since the distributor is turning) tell the PGM-FI when to inject?

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <uOudnZS0KOyhCybZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> er, it wouldn't run at all if the injector system couldn't figure out
> when to start injecting...

Doesn't the crank position sensor (which would trigger during a push
start, since the distributor is turning) tell the PGM-FI when to inject?

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <uOudnZS0KOyhCybZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> er, it wouldn't run at all if the injector system couldn't figure out
> when to start injecting...

Doesn't the crank position sensor (which would trigger during a push
start, since the distributor is turning) tell the PGM-FI when to inject?

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <uOudnZS0KOyhCybZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> er, it wouldn't run at all if the injector system couldn't figure out
> when to start injecting...

Doesn't the crank position sensor (which would trigger during a push
start, since the distributor is turning) tell the PGM-FI when to inject?

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <Xns9803D23DC5C0Fjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> Of course,removing and resoldering the relay is fairly easy and doesn't
> cost anything,and ELIMINATES it as a problem.
> You seem to be resisting this.

I got up under the dash and resoldered the relay late yesterday. (At
this point I am thinking that the placement of this component is payback
for the Chester Nimitz overseas-postage stamp...) Today I took the car
to work.

First start was at 4:30am. It started normally.
Second start was at 2:15pm. (Yes, I work weird hours.) It started
normally.

So far it's working just like it did before I resoldered the relay.

Third start, because I had to go home, pick up a bill and mail it, was
at 2:30. Back to the ol' twenty-second pump-and-flip routine complete
with gas smell.

When I got home after my trip to the post office, I opened the hood and
plugged/unplugged the coolant temperature sensor about ten times on the
off chance that maybe the connection was just crudded up. It happens,
right? I then got back in the car, turned the key...normal start. I ran
it around some more, came back and shut down. I waited a minute and
turned the key...normal start.

I didn't want to resolder the relay because what this car is, or at
least was, doing isn't like Tegger's description of what the relay does
when it screws up. For instance, it always gave the three clicks it's
supposed to. But it's resoldered.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <Xns9803D23DC5C0Fjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> Of course,removing and resoldering the relay is fairly easy and doesn't
> cost anything,and ELIMINATES it as a problem.
> You seem to be resisting this.

I got up under the dash and resoldered the relay late yesterday. (At
this point I am thinking that the placement of this component is payback
for the Chester Nimitz overseas-postage stamp...) Today I took the car
to work.

First start was at 4:30am. It started normally.
Second start was at 2:15pm. (Yes, I work weird hours.) It started
normally.

So far it's working just like it did before I resoldered the relay.

Third start, because I had to go home, pick up a bill and mail it, was
at 2:30. Back to the ol' twenty-second pump-and-flip routine complete
with gas smell.

When I got home after my trip to the post office, I opened the hood and
plugged/unplugged the coolant temperature sensor about ten times on the
off chance that maybe the connection was just crudded up. It happens,
right? I then got back in the car, turned the key...normal start. I ran
it around some more, came back and shut down. I waited a minute and
turned the key...normal start.

I didn't want to resolder the relay because what this car is, or at
least was, doing isn't like Tegger's description of what the relay does
when it screws up. For instance, it always gave the three clicks it's
supposed to. But it's resoldered.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <Xns9803D23DC5C0Fjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> Of course,removing and resoldering the relay is fairly easy and doesn't
> cost anything,and ELIMINATES it as a problem.
> You seem to be resisting this.

I got up under the dash and resoldered the relay late yesterday. (At
this point I am thinking that the placement of this component is payback
for the Chester Nimitz overseas-postage stamp...) Today I took the car
to work.

First start was at 4:30am. It started normally.
Second start was at 2:15pm. (Yes, I work weird hours.) It started
normally.

So far it's working just like it did before I resoldered the relay.

Third start, because I had to go home, pick up a bill and mail it, was
at 2:30. Back to the ol' twenty-second pump-and-flip routine complete
with gas smell.

When I got home after my trip to the post office, I opened the hood and
plugged/unplugged the coolant temperature sensor about ten times on the
off chance that maybe the connection was just crudded up. It happens,
right? I then got back in the car, turned the key...normal start. I ran
it around some more, came back and shut down. I waited a minute and
turned the key...normal start.

I didn't want to resolder the relay because what this car is, or at
least was, doing isn't like Tegger's description of what the relay does
when it screws up. For instance, it always gave the three clicks it's
supposed to. But it's resoldered.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <Xns9803D23DC5C0Fjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84>,
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

> Of course,removing and resoldering the relay is fairly easy and doesn't
> cost anything,and ELIMINATES it as a problem.
> You seem to be resisting this.

I got up under the dash and resoldered the relay late yesterday. (At
this point I am thinking that the placement of this component is payback
for the Chester Nimitz overseas-postage stamp...) Today I took the car
to work.

First start was at 4:30am. It started normally.
Second start was at 2:15pm. (Yes, I work weird hours.) It started
normally.

So far it's working just like it did before I resoldered the relay.

Third start, because I had to go home, pick up a bill and mail it, was
at 2:30. Back to the ol' twenty-second pump-and-flip routine complete
with gas smell.

When I got home after my trip to the post office, I opened the hood and
plugged/unplugged the coolant temperature sensor about ten times on the
off chance that maybe the connection was just crudded up. It happens,
right? I then got back in the car, turned the key...normal start. I ran
it around some more, came back and shut down. I waited a minute and
turned the key...normal start.

I didn't want to resolder the relay because what this car is, or at
least was, doing isn't like Tegger's description of what the relay does
when it screws up. For instance, it always gave the three clicks it's
supposed to. But it's resoldered.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <36WdneVDaZ6a3CHZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> dude, you don't "pump and pump" to hot start a potentially flooded
> engine. you press the pedal to the floor and keep it there while you
> crank. that tells the ecu to /not/ inject to clear a recognized
> no-start condition.

I've tried that. It doesn't work. Press the pedal to the floor and keep
it there, the thing revs for three or four seconds then dies. And you
smell gas. Pump the out of it for 20 seconds and you're running.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <36WdneVDaZ6a3CHZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> dude, you don't "pump and pump" to hot start a potentially flooded
> engine. you press the pedal to the floor and keep it there while you
> crank. that tells the ecu to /not/ inject to clear a recognized
> no-start condition.

I've tried that. It doesn't work. Press the pedal to the floor and keep
it there, the thing revs for three or four seconds then dies. And you
smell gas. Pump the out of it for 20 seconds and you're running.

--jm

Re: Strange start problem...is my logic okay?
 

In article <36WdneVDaZ6a3CHZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> dude, you don't "pump and pump" to hot start a potentially flooded
> engine. you press the pedal to the floor and keep it there while you
> crank. that tells the ecu to /not/ inject to clear a recognized
> no-start condition.

I've tried that. It doesn't work. Press the pedal to the floor and keep
it there, the thing revs for three or four seconds then dies. And you
smell gas. Pump the out of it for 20 seconds and you're running.

--jm