Timing Belt Tension Problems
#31
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Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
Tegger wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:me6ni.7886$rR.6552@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net:
>
>> 91 Civic, 197k miles
>>
>> I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>> cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>> how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>> heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>> the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>> tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>> advice at
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...m/thread/cf31d
> 3
>> 6fc1375d20/0f763a5f85ca7e05?lnk=st&q=teeth+pulley+(group%
> 3Aalt.autos.ho
>> nda+OR+rec.autos.makers.honda)&rnum=8#0f763a5f85ca 7e05 (post of Oct.
>> 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can
>> feel the vibrations in synch with the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put
>> my hand on the upper timing belt cover.
>>
>> I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>> front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>> In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>> spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>> tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>> if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>> not.
>>
>> I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>> indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>> aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>> is loose or not set right.
>>
>> On my third attempt, I want to
>>
>> (1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>> (2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>> (3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>> engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>> and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>> sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>> the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>>
>> Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>> be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>>
>> Any other clues on how to get this right?
>>
>> Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> (Posted and mailed)
>
> I'm not sure where the "turn the engine over three times" came from.
> Doesn't sound right.
it comes from the service manual.
>
> When the belt was off, the tensioner should have been pushed in as far
> as it would go against its spring, then bolted so it would stay there.
but that only tensions that one length of belt. you need to rotate to
ensure all the lengths between all the rollers have adequate tension.
>
> Once the belt is on again, you
> 1) rotate the engine counterclockwise so as to put all the slack on the
> tensioner side, which should only be one or two teeth. 2) with a quick
> motion, loosen the tensioner bolt, which at that point should ZING out
> to take up the slack. 3) tighten the tensioner bolt BEFORE releasing the
> wrench.
>
> The important things are that the tensioner has to be pushed ALL the way
> back, so it can take a good run at the belt when it's released, and that
> the slack has to be entirely on the tensioner side of the belt.
>
> If the belt seems a bit loose even after that, you can tap the bolt head
> with your ratchet (while making sure the slack is in the right place).
> This will shock the tensioner into pushing out just a bit more.
>
> If you don't want to remove the covers again, you can loosen the
> tensioner, turn the engine CLOCKwise THREE TEETH, then snug the
> tensioner up again. This pulls the tensioner in a bit so you can try
> retensioning the belt. The tensioner can't get a good run at the belt in
> this case, so you may have to help it with taps from the ratchet.
>
> Good luck and hope this helps.
>
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:me6ni.7886$rR.6552@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net:
>
>> 91 Civic, 197k miles
>>
>> I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>> cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>> how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>> heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>> the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>> tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>> advice at
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...m/thread/cf31d
> 3
>> 6fc1375d20/0f763a5f85ca7e05?lnk=st&q=teeth+pulley+(group%
> 3Aalt.autos.ho
>> nda+OR+rec.autos.makers.honda)&rnum=8#0f763a5f85ca 7e05 (post of Oct.
>> 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can
>> feel the vibrations in synch with the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put
>> my hand on the upper timing belt cover.
>>
>> I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>> front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>> In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>> spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>> tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>> if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>> not.
>>
>> I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>> indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>> aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>> is loose or not set right.
>>
>> On my third attempt, I want to
>>
>> (1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>> (2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>> (3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>> engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>> and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>> sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>> the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>>
>> Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>> be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>>
>> Any other clues on how to get this right?
>>
>> Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> (Posted and mailed)
>
> I'm not sure where the "turn the engine over three times" came from.
> Doesn't sound right.
it comes from the service manual.
>
> When the belt was off, the tensioner should have been pushed in as far
> as it would go against its spring, then bolted so it would stay there.
but that only tensions that one length of belt. you need to rotate to
ensure all the lengths between all the rollers have adequate tension.
>
> Once the belt is on again, you
> 1) rotate the engine counterclockwise so as to put all the slack on the
> tensioner side, which should only be one or two teeth. 2) with a quick
> motion, loosen the tensioner bolt, which at that point should ZING out
> to take up the slack. 3) tighten the tensioner bolt BEFORE releasing the
> wrench.
>
> The important things are that the tensioner has to be pushed ALL the way
> back, so it can take a good run at the belt when it's released, and that
> the slack has to be entirely on the tensioner side of the belt.
>
> If the belt seems a bit loose even after that, you can tap the bolt head
> with your ratchet (while making sure the slack is in the right place).
> This will shock the tensioner into pushing out just a bit more.
>
> If you don't want to remove the covers again, you can loosen the
> tensioner, turn the engine CLOCKwise THREE TEETH, then snug the
> tensioner up again. This pulls the tensioner in a bit so you can try
> retensioning the belt. The tensioner can't get a good run at the belt in
> this case, so you may have to help it with taps from the ratchet.
>
> Good luck and hope this helps.
>
#32
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
#33
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
#34
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> The tensioner can be a bit of a puzzle. I did not mention
>> it before because
>> I forgot, but it is easy to get the tensioner and spring
>> assembled
>> incorrectly, in which case it will not zing up properly
>> when asked to do
>> so.
>
> I checked the orientation of the hooks at the end of the
> spring on the old setup first, so I think I got those right.
> I wish I'd made other observations, though. I think I will
> go to my local "U-Pull-It" auto junkyard and see if I can
> find some old tensioners still installed.
>
>> My belt is not due to be replaced for a few years yet, and
>> I did my wife's
>> just last year, so it may be a while before I manage to
>> get some photos,
>> unless somebody has some to contribute.
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
operation is very straight forward - need to rotate the engine to
ensure the belt is sufficiently seated on all pulleys and that tension
on all the runs is in equilibrium. then, the tensioner can take up on
the "slackest" run of the belt. the spring is perfect for this.
#35
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#36
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#37
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
> "inspired."
Take some pics. Post them.
>
> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
> much value for very long.
>
>
They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
as my '91 Integra's.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
#38
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
except your Tercel is non-interference design...
Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
--
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Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
#39
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
except your Tercel is non-interference design...
Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
#40
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Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
except your Tercel is non-interference design...
Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com
Also, is there really a huge danger to damage the valves if you are only hand
turning the engine? I have seen several instances on the group where valves
did not get damaged when the engine was at low speeds. I guess your theory
is 'why take a chance?', and it does make some sense.
t
Tegger wrote:
>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:aYfni.8389
>$tj6.6083@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> I wish I understood how the tensioner works well enough to
>> write this experience up, with photos. I am holding onto the
>> old tensioner and spring for awhile to see if I become
>> "inspired."
>
>Take some pics. Post them.
>
>> OTOH, my 91's design is so old, I am not sure it will be of
>> much value for very long.
>
>They don't change much over the years. Our '99 Tercel's works the same way
>as my '91 Integra's.
>
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Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured proper belt, cam,
and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
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and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
--
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#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured proper belt, cam,
and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
--
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and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
--
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#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured proper belt, cam,
and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
--
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and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark the belt and
pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from each mark on the
belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt. We then slid the
new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up perfectly!
I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from now on. It
totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth or 2.
Any thoughts on the above?
t
Elle wrote:
>91 Civic, 197k miles
>
>I replaced the timing belt and tensioner the other day. I
>cookbooked my way through setting the tension, not knowing
>how things worked, and am pretty sure the rat-a-tat-tat I
>heard from the engine is the belt, somewhat loose, hitting
>the upper timing belt cover, for one.I just re-did the
>tensioning step, following especially Tegger's careful
>advice at
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...763a5f85ca7e05
>(post of Oct. 4, 2005), and the engine still makes the
>rat-a-tat-tat noise. I can feel the vibrations in synch with
>the rat-a-tat-tat on the when I put my hand on the upper
>timing belt cover.
>
>I watched for the TB's forward side (closest to the car's
>front) going tense, while the aft side went somewhat slack.
>In one attempt I did hear a little zing from the tensioner
>spring. I checked and re-checked this as I tightened the
>tensioner adjusting bolt. On my last attempt, I do not know
>if the "zing" and so tightening of the spring occurred or
>not.
>
>I checked the timing with a timing light, and there are no
>indications a tooth has jumped. I will continue to be very
>aware that this could happen, especially when the tensioner
>is loose or not set right.
>
>On my third attempt, I want to
>
>(1) loosen the tensioner screw more this time.
>(2) make sure I hear the "zing" from the tensioner spring
>(3) do as Jim Beam said in the above thread: (a) Turn the
>engine over three times; (b) watch the tension in the belt;
>and (c) watch that TDC on Cyl #1 aligns with the camshaft
>sprocket being in the correct "up" orientation. I will take
>the spark plugs out to make life easier this time.
>
>Is it true for step (3) that the TB aft side should always
>be pretty slack compared to the TB fwd side?
>
>Any other clues on how to get this right?
>
>Struggling here. Prompt responses are appreciated.
--
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Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote
> Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured
> proper belt, cam,
> and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark
> the belt and
> pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
>
> Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from
> each mark on the
> belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt.
> We then slid the
> new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up
> perfectly!
This is indeed exactly what Idid. But then I set the
tensioner incorrectly. I drove around 20 miles with
symptoms, not knowing what exactly was wrong. The next
day,tTroubleshooting the tensioner resulted, at one point,
in a too slack TB. The TB slipped, and the car would not
start. The camshaft and crankshaft had both been rotated
quite a lot by this time, so the marks became meaningless.
>
> I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from
> now on. It
> totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth
> or 2.
>
> Any thoughts on the above?
I have used it in the past and it is the way to go.
I am still stunned at how lucky I got yesterday. I moved
both crankshaft and camshaft independently of each other a
lot, too, prior to re-installing the belt. Late yesterday
afternoon I was really beat and sort of slapped the belt
back on, thinking no matter how careful I was, I'd have to
re-assemble nearly all, try to start it, check the timing
with my timing light, estimate how far off I was, then
disassemble all and adjust by a tooth or more.
After around 30 miles of driving today, my Civic is still
running great. I will feel better after a full week has gone
by, though. Still, I celebrated with the purchase of four
new tires and an alignment (by an import specialized shop
which explained everything they found) this morning. The
ride is really smooth. I am stylin' in this old but
incredibly reliable and fuel efficient car.
> Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured
> proper belt, cam,
> and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark
> the belt and
> pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
>
> Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from
> each mark on the
> belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt.
> We then slid the
> new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up
> perfectly!
This is indeed exactly what Idid. But then I set the
tensioner incorrectly. I drove around 20 miles with
symptoms, not knowing what exactly was wrong. The next
day,tTroubleshooting the tensioner resulted, at one point,
in a too slack TB. The TB slipped, and the car would not
start. The camshaft and crankshaft had both been rotated
quite a lot by this time, so the marks became meaningless.
>
> I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from
> now on. It
> totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth
> or 2.
>
> Any thoughts on the above?
I have used it in the past and it is the way to go.
I am still stunned at how lucky I got yesterday. I moved
both crankshaft and camshaft independently of each other a
lot, too, prior to re-installing the belt. Late yesterday
afternoon I was really beat and sort of slapped the belt
back on, thinking no matter how careful I was, I'd have to
re-assemble nearly all, try to start it, check the timing
with my timing light, estimate how far off I was, then
disassemble all and adjust by a tooth or more.
After around 30 miles of driving today, my Civic is still
running great. I will feel better after a full week has gone
by, though. Still, I celebrated with the purchase of four
new tires and an alignment (by an import specialized shop
which explained everything they found) this morning. The
ride is really smooth. I am stylin' in this old but
incredibly reliable and fuel efficient car.
#45
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Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems
"loewent via CarKB.com" <u10197@uwe> wrote
> Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured
> proper belt, cam,
> and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark
> the belt and
> pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
>
> Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from
> each mark on the
> belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt.
> We then slid the
> new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up
> perfectly!
This is indeed exactly what Idid. But then I set the
tensioner incorrectly. I drove around 20 miles with
symptoms, not knowing what exactly was wrong. The next
day,tTroubleshooting the tensioner resulted, at one point,
in a too slack TB. The TB slipped, and the car would not
start. The camshaft and crankshaft had both been rotated
quite a lot by this time, so the marks became meaningless.
>
> I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from
> now on. It
> totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth
> or 2.
>
> Any thoughts on the above?
I have used it in the past and it is the way to go.
I am still stunned at how lucky I got yesterday. I moved
both crankshaft and camshaft independently of each other a
lot, too, prior to re-installing the belt. Late yesterday
afternoon I was really beat and sort of slapped the belt
back on, thinking no matter how careful I was, I'd have to
re-assemble nearly all, try to start it, check the timing
with my timing light, estimate how far off I was, then
disassemble all and adjust by a tooth or more.
After around 30 miles of driving today, my Civic is still
running great. I will feel better after a full week has gone
by, though. Still, I celebrated with the purchase of four
new tires and an alignment (by an import specialized shop
which explained everything they found) this morning. The
ride is really smooth. I am stylin' in this old but
incredibly reliable and fuel efficient car.
> Not that this would help you now, but the way we ensured
> proper belt, cam,
> and crank position on my bro-in-laws 01 Accord was to mark
> the belt and
> pulley with white-out on the pulley marks.
>
> Once the belt was off, we counted the number of teeth from
> each mark on the
> belt, then put matching white-out marks on the new belt.
> We then slid the
> new belt right on to the engine, and everything lined up
> perfectly!
This is indeed exactly what Idid. But then I set the
tensioner incorrectly. I drove around 20 miles with
symptoms, not knowing what exactly was wrong. The next
day,tTroubleshooting the tensioner resulted, at one point,
in a too slack TB. The TB slipped, and the car would not
start. The camshaft and crankshaft had both been rotated
quite a lot by this time, so the marks became meaningless.
>
> I will be using this method on every timing belt I do from
> now on. It
> totally took the 'fear factor' out of being out by a tooth
> or 2.
>
> Any thoughts on the above?
I have used it in the past and it is the way to go.
I am still stunned at how lucky I got yesterday. I moved
both crankshaft and camshaft independently of each other a
lot, too, prior to re-installing the belt. Late yesterday
afternoon I was really beat and sort of slapped the belt
back on, thinking no matter how careful I was, I'd have to
re-assemble nearly all, try to start it, check the timing
with my timing light, estimate how far off I was, then
disassemble all and adjust by a tooth or more.
After around 30 miles of driving today, my Civic is still
running great. I will feel better after a full week has gone
by, though. Still, I celebrated with the purchase of four
new tires and an alignment (by an import specialized shop
which explained everything they found) this morning. The
ride is really smooth. I am stylin' in this old but
incredibly reliable and fuel efficient car.