Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:j2toi.10554
$Od7.6925@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>> Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases
>>> to have any
>>> function.
>>
>>
>> In fact, once the tensioner bolt is tightened, you could
>> even remove the
>> spring if you wanted to.
>
> I appreciate this information. I was unsure of how critical
> it was to have the tensioner's larger hole (= the one
> opposite where the spring attaches) on the peg.



That's extremely important. The tensioner will not function unless it
can pivot on that peg.



> Also, I'd
> never had tension on the spring (in this past week of
> travails, albeit mostly good learning ones). Not knowing any
> better, this morning in 3.5 hours I went in there, got the
> tensioner properly "pegged," got the spring properly tensed,
> set the tension, rotated the crank a few times and watched
> for smooth operation and neither too much slack nor too much
> tightness, buttoned her up, checked the timing. All is well.
> Thanks so much for sticking with me on this one.



Just glad to help.

I was also kind of curious what the problem was. As I said earlier, it's
easy to assemble the tensioner incorrectly, since it can go together
several different ways.


>
> I am getting really fast at changing timing belts.


Experience counts. The first time I removed a Macpherson strut it took
me over an hour. The second time it was 20 minutes. By the third time I
was down to five minutes.


>
> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>
>


It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual. I then added
the text in a graphics program.

I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing it, which is why
it's so bad. I corrected the wrong text, but otherwise will leave this
one alone.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
> function unless it
> can pivot on that peg.

By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
peg? And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
"Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>
> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
> I then added
> the text in a graphics program.
>
> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
> it, which is why
> it's so bad.

I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
it. Okay?

I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
> function unless it
> can pivot on that peg.

By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
peg? And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
"Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>
> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
> I then added
> the text in a graphics program.
>
> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
> it, which is why
> it's so bad.

I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
it. Okay?

I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
> function unless it
> can pivot on that peg.

By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
peg? And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
"Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>
> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
> I then added
> the text in a graphics program.
>
> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
> it, which is why
> it's so bad.

I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
it. Okay?

I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?

correct pivot action is essential to correct setup.

> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

you should set the tension with the covers on, so you shouldn't be able
to remove anything.

>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?
>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?
>
>

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?

correct pivot action is essential to correct setup.

> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

you should set the tension with the covers on, so you shouldn't be able
to remove anything.

>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?
>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?
>
>

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?

correct pivot action is essential to correct setup.

> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?

you should set the tension with the covers on, so you shouldn't be able
to remove anything.

>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?
>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?
>
>

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:uMJoi.9584
$rR.4592@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?


You could put it that way, yes.


But ultimately the result is the same either way, in that the tensioner
will not take up the slack of the belt if the tensioner is not properly
located on the peg.



> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?



Yes. The bolt you tighten is what holds the tensioner in place for
normal use. The spring just provides the initial preload on the belt.

My statement about removing the spring was intended as an illustration,
not as something you would actually want to do.



>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>>
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?



It's yours. I just ask that you attribute the diagram to my site.


>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?



No it doesn't. Mine only has an adjustment section. Plus a couple of
diagrams showing exploded views of the area that has the tensioner.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:uMJoi.9584
$rR.4592@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?


You could put it that way, yes.


But ultimately the result is the same either way, in that the tensioner
will not take up the slack of the belt if the tensioner is not properly
located on the peg.



> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?



Yes. The bolt you tighten is what holds the tensioner in place for
normal use. The spring just provides the initial preload on the belt.

My statement about removing the spring was intended as an illustration,
not as something you would actually want to do.



>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>>
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?



It's yours. I just ask that you attribute the diagram to my site.


>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?



No it doesn't. Mine only has an adjustment section. Plus a couple of
diagrams showing exploded views of the area that has the tensioner.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Setting Timing "Blind" [was Re: Timing Belt Tension Problems]
 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:uMJoi.9584
$rR.4592@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> That's extremely important. The tensioner will not
>> function unless it
>> can pivot on that peg.
>
> By any chance do you mean the tensioner's //spring// will
> not function unless the tensioner housing can pivot on the
> peg?


You could put it that way, yes.


But ultimately the result is the same either way, in that the tensioner
will not take up the slack of the belt if the tensioner is not properly
located on the peg.



> And if this is so, then given that you observed that,
> "Once the tensioner bolt is tightened, the spring ceases to
> have any function... you could even remove the spring if you
> wanted... ," then the peg also only has a function during
> this tension adjusting step, so it too could be removed?



Yes. The bolt you tighten is what holds the tensioner in place for
normal use. The spring just provides the initial preload on the belt.

My statement about removing the spring was intended as an illustration,
not as something you would actually want to do.



>
>>> I am curious: Where did you get the PDF drawing?
>>
>> It's just a (bad) scan from my '91 Integra's shop manual.
>> I then added
>> the text in a graphics program.
>>
>> I had the scan resolution set very low without noticing
>> it, which is why
>> it's so bad.
>
> I think it's very helpful. My web site on this is garbage at
> the moment. I will either take it down or re-do it. If I
> re-do it, and if you do not mind, I may put the PDF file on
> it. Okay?



It's yours. I just ask that you attribute the diagram to my site.


>
> I do not see this drawing at the UK site's "factory service"
> manuals. Do you know whether the UK sites's manuals are
> abbreviated ones? Plus there is no "tensioner replacement"
> section; only an "adjusting TB tension" one. Does your Acura
> shop manual have a "tensioner replacement" section?



No it doesn't. Mine only has an adjustment section. Plus a couple of
diagrams showing exploded views of the area that has the tensioner.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/