Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> If I were asking a question in several Honda groups, it would be because
> I would expect to contact different people;

Which is why cross-posting exists.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> If I were asking a question in several Honda groups, it would be because
> I would expect to contact different people;

Which is why cross-posting exists.

TeGGeR®

Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> On 7/25/2006 2:28 AM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:1153793893.904787.165200@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I had a 2002 Honda Civic EX for one year. Previous owner did all
>>> maintenance required. Car always run like a charm. Yesterday while
>>> driving uphill on a mild slope the transmission just blew-up! The car
>>> came to a complete stop and in the middle of the road and it would not
>>> move forward or backwards. My mechanic wants to charge me 4K to rebuid
>>> it. I almost passed out! Aren't these cars supposed to be reliable?!
>>>
>>> I called a specialized transmission shop and they cannon believe that a
>>> transmission would just blow in a Honda with 44K miles, specially
>>> without any warning. They want to diagnose it and would charge me 2K
>>> worse case-scenario.
>>>
>>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See my reply to this identical message in rec.autos.makers.honda.
>
> Tegger, many people don't read rec.auto.makers.honda. I see that
> putting this message here serves to direct those people to finishing the
> thread, but why not put the reply in all of the newsgroups? If everyone
> read all the newsgroups out there, we'd only need one.



Crossposting is the tool used to put a reply in all groups. All newsreaders
are capable of it, but some make the process a bit arcane.

Even if you're only able to see one of the groups, you can at least see by
the headers that it has been posted to other groups as well, giving you a
chance to use Google Groups to fill in what your provider may not carry.
Google Groups can even fill in for those situations where some ignoramus
thought he was being clever by removing the crossposting in his reply.

That there exist two groups with identical subject matter is stupid.
(rec.autos.makers.honda; alt.autos.honda).
If I had any control over it, I'd consolidate them.

If our friend had crossposted correctly, or had indicated to people that
the message was posted to more than one group (and which groups those
were), then there wouldn't be a problem.

As it stood, any reply in one group would not be seen by the other, as
about half the audience would be unaware of any answers in one place or the
other. Hardly fair, so in these cases I put my reply in one place and just
point to it.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> On 7/25/2006 2:28 AM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:1153793893.904787.165200@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I had a 2002 Honda Civic EX for one year. Previous owner did all
>>> maintenance required. Car always run like a charm. Yesterday while
>>> driving uphill on a mild slope the transmission just blew-up! The car
>>> came to a complete stop and in the middle of the road and it would not
>>> move forward or backwards. My mechanic wants to charge me 4K to rebuid
>>> it. I almost passed out! Aren't these cars supposed to be reliable?!
>>>
>>> I called a specialized transmission shop and they cannon believe that a
>>> transmission would just blow in a Honda with 44K miles, specially
>>> without any warning. They want to diagnose it and would charge me 2K
>>> worse case-scenario.
>>>
>>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See my reply to this identical message in rec.autos.makers.honda.
>
> Tegger, many people don't read rec.auto.makers.honda. I see that
> putting this message here serves to direct those people to finishing the
> thread, but why not put the reply in all of the newsgroups? If everyone
> read all the newsgroups out there, we'd only need one.



Crossposting is the tool used to put a reply in all groups. All newsreaders
are capable of it, but some make the process a bit arcane.

Even if you're only able to see one of the groups, you can at least see by
the headers that it has been posted to other groups as well, giving you a
chance to use Google Groups to fill in what your provider may not carry.
Google Groups can even fill in for those situations where some ignoramus
thought he was being clever by removing the crossposting in his reply.

That there exist two groups with identical subject matter is stupid.
(rec.autos.makers.honda; alt.autos.honda).
If I had any control over it, I'd consolidate them.

If our friend had crossposted correctly, or had indicated to people that
the message was posted to more than one group (and which groups those
were), then there wouldn't be a problem.

As it stood, any reply in one group would not be seen by the other, as
about half the audience would be unaware of any answers in one place or the
other. Hardly fair, so in these cases I put my reply in one place and just
point to it.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> On 7/25/2006 2:28 AM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:1153793893.904787.165200@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I had a 2002 Honda Civic EX for one year. Previous owner did all
>>> maintenance required. Car always run like a charm. Yesterday while
>>> driving uphill on a mild slope the transmission just blew-up! The car
>>> came to a complete stop and in the middle of the road and it would not
>>> move forward or backwards. My mechanic wants to charge me 4K to rebuid
>>> it. I almost passed out! Aren't these cars supposed to be reliable?!
>>>
>>> I called a specialized transmission shop and they cannon believe that a
>>> transmission would just blow in a Honda with 44K miles, specially
>>> without any warning. They want to diagnose it and would charge me 2K
>>> worse case-scenario.
>>>
>>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See my reply to this identical message in rec.autos.makers.honda.
>
> Tegger, many people don't read rec.auto.makers.honda. I see that
> putting this message here serves to direct those people to finishing the
> thread, but why not put the reply in all of the newsgroups? If everyone
> read all the newsgroups out there, we'd only need one.



Crossposting is the tool used to put a reply in all groups. All newsreaders
are capable of it, but some make the process a bit arcane.

Even if you're only able to see one of the groups, you can at least see by
the headers that it has been posted to other groups as well, giving you a
chance to use Google Groups to fill in what your provider may not carry.
Google Groups can even fill in for those situations where some ignoramus
thought he was being clever by removing the crossposting in his reply.

That there exist two groups with identical subject matter is stupid.
(rec.autos.makers.honda; alt.autos.honda).
If I had any control over it, I'd consolidate them.

If our friend had crossposted correctly, or had indicated to people that
the message was posted to more than one group (and which groups those
were), then there wouldn't be a problem.

As it stood, any reply in one group would not be seen by the other, as
about half the audience would be unaware of any answers in one place or the
other. Hardly fair, so in these cases I put my reply in one place and just
point to it.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

TeGGeR®

Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> On 7/25/2006 2:28 AM TeGGeR® spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:1153793893.904787.165200@p79g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I had a 2002 Honda Civic EX for one year. Previous owner did all
>>> maintenance required. Car always run like a charm. Yesterday while
>>> driving uphill on a mild slope the transmission just blew-up! The car
>>> came to a complete stop and in the middle of the road and it would not
>>> move forward or backwards. My mechanic wants to charge me 4K to rebuid
>>> it. I almost passed out! Aren't these cars supposed to be reliable?!
>>>
>>> I called a specialized transmission shop and they cannon believe that a
>>> transmission would just blow in a Honda with 44K miles, specially
>>> without any warning. They want to diagnose it and would charge me 2K
>>> worse case-scenario.
>>>
>>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> See my reply to this identical message in rec.autos.makers.honda.
>
> Tegger, many people don't read rec.auto.makers.honda. I see that
> putting this message here serves to direct those people to finishing the
> thread, but why not put the reply in all of the newsgroups? If everyone
> read all the newsgroups out there, we'd only need one.



Crossposting is the tool used to put a reply in all groups. All newsreaders
are capable of it, but some make the process a bit arcane.

Even if you're only able to see one of the groups, you can at least see by
the headers that it has been posted to other groups as well, giving you a
chance to use Google Groups to fill in what your provider may not carry.
Google Groups can even fill in for those situations where some ignoramus
thought he was being clever by removing the crossposting in his reply.

That there exist two groups with identical subject matter is stupid.
(rec.autos.makers.honda; alt.autos.honda).
If I had any control over it, I'd consolidate them.

If our friend had crossposted correctly, or had indicated to people that
the message was posted to more than one group (and which groups those
were), then there wouldn't be a problem.

As it stood, any reply in one group would not be seen by the other, as
about half the audience would be unaware of any answers in one place or the
other. Hardly fair, so in these cases I put my reply in one place and just
point to it.



--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Michael Pardee

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>
>
>
> Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> on warranty issues.
>
> My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
>
> Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> John

I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
get from them.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>
>
>
> Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> on warranty issues.
>
> My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
>
> Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> John

I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
get from them.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>
>
>
> Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> on warranty issues.
>
> My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
>
> Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> John

I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
get from them.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
>> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
>> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
>> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
>>
>
>
> Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> on warranty issues.
>
> My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
>
> Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> John

I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
get from them.

Mike

ExtremeValue

Hi
Can somebody post Tegger's post here. Thanks.


Michael Pardee wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> > dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
> >> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
> >> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
> >> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> > you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> > on warranty issues.
> >
> > My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> > Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> > this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> > can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> > first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> > defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
> >
> > Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
> >
> > John
>
> I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
> much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
> is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
> get from them.
>
> Mike

ExtremeValue

Hi
Can somebody post Tegger's post here. Thanks.


Michael Pardee wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> > dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
> >> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
> >> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
> >> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> > you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> > on warranty issues.
> >
> > My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> > Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> > this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> > can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> > first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> > defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
> >
> > Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
> >
> > John
>
> I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
> much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
> is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
> get from them.
>
> Mike

ExtremeValue

Hi
Can somebody post Tegger's post here. Thanks.


Michael Pardee wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> > dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
> >> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
> >> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
> >> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> > you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> > on warranty issues.
> >
> > My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> > Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> > this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> > can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> > first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> > defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
> >
> > Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
> >
> > John
>
> I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
> much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
> is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
> get from them.
>
> Mike

ExtremeValue

Hi
Can somebody post Tegger's post here. Thanks.


Michael Pardee wrote:
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2Rhxg.2983$K94.2532@trnddc01...
> > dolo.diaz@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Honda dealership wants to look at it and they say they might be able to
> >> do something since I am only 9K out of the warantee, but if they have
> >> to replace it it would be even more than 4K. Hell, the ftranny reight
> >> from Japan would be 400 bucks!
> >>
> >
> >
> > Certainly start with the dealership and see if they can get Honda to cover
> > you if it needs replacement. Honda has a reputation for giving some slack
> > on warranty issues.
> >
> > My advice is to start by being very concerned and asking for help.
> > Emphasis that you are a repeat Honda customer and are very surprised by
> > this unexpected turn of events. Ask the dealership to do everything they
> > can to help you in your time of need. Try not to express anger in the
> > first interactions as that might put the dealership people on the
> > defensive rather than putting them into a help you out frame of mind.
> >
> > Hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
> >
> > John
>
> I second that. Service people are people (well, most of them) and will go
> much farther for a friend than for an adversary. If they see a customer who
> is confident they will make him happy again they will give the best you can
> get from them.
>
> Mike

Dave Kelsen

On 7/25/2006 8:07 AM Elmo P. Shagnasty spake these words of knowledge:

> In article <B%nxg.341$Wi.297@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
> Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If I were asking a question in several Honda groups, it would be because
>> I would expect to contact different people;
>
> Which is why cross-posting exists.

Yes. Thank you.

That is the gist of my question; why not simply reply to the post? What
is the purpose of reducing one's reply to a single group rather than
posting the reply in all of the groups the question was posted to?

Understand that this is a genuine question; I am aware of the trolls and
******** who post to groups which could have no possible interest in the
material; posting a question about Honda suspension to
alt.jehovahs.witness, and that sort of thing. That is not what I am
referring to.

Wait. I have just looked at the original headers, and I see that the OP
did not cross-post.

This makes Tegger's response eminently sensible to me *although I would
simply have put both newsgroups in my response) but begs the question,
"Why did dolodiaz post the way he/she did?" Note that I don't expect
anyone to know...

Interesting.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"The individual activity of one man with backbone will do more than a
thousand men with a mere wishbone." -- William J.H. Boetcker