Re: Turning Rotors: a case study...
It took you 12 days to come up with your lame-ass text book reply. Yet you
still don't get it - you're trying to argue a point that many people have already demonstrated to you that you are wrong about. I can't be bothered to repeat their - and my - valid examples and explanations. Perhaps if you took the time to review the threads in this post and you might begin to understand what I mean. I doubt it, but you never know. As I said, you ARE the one. "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message news:icSdnRvqXdKE4ineRVn-pg@speakeasy.net... > doug wrote: >> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message >> news:W5edneEaDO3cKS_enZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> >>>doug wrote: >>> >>>>>sorry - unless this disk has been operated well into red heat, you're >>>>>not going to get much change in microstructure. you can however have >>>>>problems with a bad disk if it was not heat treated properly after >>>>>casting. when operated hot, /that/ disk will distort. more likely is >>>>>that there are simply different cooling rates on different parts of the >>>>>disk leading to local temporary distortion. that shouldn't happen on a >>>>>disk of sufficient thickness and whose internal vanes have not lost too >>>>>much material through rust. >>>> >>>> >>>>Your opinion and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. That's all it's >>>>worth . Repeated heating and cooling cycles will definitely change the >>>>distribution of carbon atoms in an iron matrix - and it doesn't have to >>>>be "red" hot. The temperatures created by the crappy pads used by GM did >>>>the job in less than 15,000 miles. >>> >>>diffusion, the migration of carbon atoms in the iron matrix, happens >>>well below red heat. but /significant/ diffusion, recrystallization, >>>graphite flake/nodule growth, or other phase changes, doesn't. and if >>>you're trying to argue that a brake disk is martensitic, you need to >>>think again. >>> >>>if your gm disk warps in 15k, you need to consider other factors. for >>>honda, elastic distortion caused by incorrect wheel lug torquing has a >>>huge influence. but if it's the disk alone, things like bad >>>post-casting heat treatments, uneven material thickness, etc. can >>>influence whether a disk stays true at high temperatures. the most >>>likely item is cutting corners on heat treatment and reducing heat soak >>>time. >>> >>>my money's on incorrect lug torquing. >>> >>> >>>>>my experience is that the disk cutting process is far from perfect - >>>>>those cutting machines see heavy usage, and you can mount the same disk >>>>>up a dozen times and get 13 different centers. >>>>> >>>> >>>>If that's your experience, that's too bad. You need to find a better >>>>technician, or learn to do it yourself. >>> >>>i was a vehicle mechanic for 5 years and also have a materials degree. >>>is that good enough? >>> >> >> >> Apparently not - it hasn't helped you to do the job correctly. Like I >> said before, there's one in every group. Although Dave Kelsen may once >> again take issue with that. > > so why don't you make a technical rebuttal? share your superior > knowledge. |
Re: Turning Rotors: a case study...
karl wrote:
<snip> > Pulsing "because of momentum differences due to the > mass of the caliper vs. the piston," and "the mass on > each side is the same and there's little net effect." > Rubbish jim beam wrote: >>really? why? i'd love to see your explanation Karl - he's not worth the time or effort to try and discuss this with. But I think you already know this ;-) doug |
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