Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Jeremy wrote:
> I think your wrong.
"you're" as in "you are".
> A manual transmission with an "automatic shifting
> mechanism" is still a manual transmission.
no it's not. any transmission with an automatic shifting mechanism is
an automatic - by definition.
> In an automatic transmission
> the transmission IS automatic (I hate to state the obvious for you).
nonsensical garbage!
<time wasting ends here>
> I think your wrong.
"you're" as in "you are".
> A manual transmission with an "automatic shifting
> mechanism" is still a manual transmission.
no it's not. any transmission with an automatic shifting mechanism is
an automatic - by definition.
> In an automatic transmission
> the transmission IS automatic (I hate to state the obvious for you).
nonsensical garbage!
<time wasting ends here>
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Tegger wrote:
> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>
>
>
> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
to clutch packs.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...nsmission4.htm
the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
standard transmission.
> Filter
> replacements are not usually required if the fluid is changed regularly.
>
>
>> I know of many older vehicles where the manual transmissions have not
>> been serviced during the lifetime of the vehicle.
>
>
>
> So do I. But I seriously doubt any of those boxes would last 300K miles.
>
> It is to the credit of the manufacturers that trannies last as long as they
> do with the neglect and abuse many people throw at them.
>
>
>
>> Has this been
>> changed for modern day manual transmissions?
>
>
> No. Fluid changes are always desirable regardless of transmission make or
> model. Lubricant quality deteriorates over time regardless.
>
>
>
> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>
>
>
> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
to clutch packs.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...nsmission4.htm
the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
standard transmission.
> Filter
> replacements are not usually required if the fluid is changed regularly.
>
>
>> I know of many older vehicles where the manual transmissions have not
>> been serviced during the lifetime of the vehicle.
>
>
>
> So do I. But I seriously doubt any of those boxes would last 300K miles.
>
> It is to the credit of the manufacturers that trannies last as long as they
> do with the neglect and abuse many people throw at them.
>
>
>
>> Has this been
>> changed for modern day manual transmissions?
>
>
> No. Fluid changes are always desirable regardless of transmission make or
> model. Lubricant quality deteriorates over time regardless.
>
>
>
#123
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Tegger wrote:
> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>
>
>
> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
to clutch packs.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...nsmission4.htm
the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
standard transmission.
> Filter
> replacements are not usually required if the fluid is changed regularly.
>
>
>> I know of many older vehicles where the manual transmissions have not
>> been serviced during the lifetime of the vehicle.
>
>
>
> So do I. But I seriously doubt any of those boxes would last 300K miles.
>
> It is to the credit of the manufacturers that trannies last as long as they
> do with the neglect and abuse many people throw at them.
>
>
>
>> Has this been
>> changed for modern day manual transmissions?
>
>
> No. Fluid changes are always desirable regardless of transmission make or
> model. Lubricant quality deteriorates over time regardless.
>
>
>
> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>
>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>
>
>
> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary geared
automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in addition
to clutch packs.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/automa...nsmission4.htm
the modern "semi-auto's" with full auto control use a single dry plate
clutch to shift and individual dog clutches on the ratios like a
standard transmission.
> Filter
> replacements are not usually required if the fluid is changed regularly.
>
>
>> I know of many older vehicles where the manual transmissions have not
>> been serviced during the lifetime of the vehicle.
>
>
>
> So do I. But I seriously doubt any of those boxes would last 300K miles.
>
> It is to the credit of the manufacturers that trannies last as long as they
> do with the neglect and abuse many people throw at them.
>
>
>
>> Has this been
>> changed for modern day manual transmissions?
>
>
> No. Fluid changes are always desirable regardless of transmission make or
> model. Lubricant quality deteriorates over time regardless.
>
>
>
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When one looks at the weight of today's cars, one common fact comes out;
>>> Weight gain is due mostly to safety considerations.
>>
>>
>> This is especially a problem in the USA where it seem the public
>> thinks heavy
>> vehicles are safer.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
>
> If push comes to shove, the heavier vehicle will suffer less damage than
> the lighter should the two tango.
>
> Quite frankly, I feel a whole lot safer in my 1955 Studebaker President
> with seat belts than I do in my 1983 Civic.
>
> JT
>
>
reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
>
>
> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When one looks at the weight of today's cars, one common fact comes out;
>>> Weight gain is due mostly to safety considerations.
>>
>>
>> This is especially a problem in the USA where it seem the public
>> thinks heavy
>> vehicles are safer.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
>
> If push comes to shove, the heavier vehicle will suffer less damage than
> the lighter should the two tango.
>
> Quite frankly, I feel a whole lot safer in my 1955 Studebaker President
> with seat belts than I do in my 1983 Civic.
>
> JT
>
>
reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
#125
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When one looks at the weight of today's cars, one common fact comes out;
>>> Weight gain is due mostly to safety considerations.
>>
>>
>> This is especially a problem in the USA where it seem the public
>> thinks heavy
>> vehicles are safer.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
>
> If push comes to shove, the heavier vehicle will suffer less damage than
> the lighter should the two tango.
>
> Quite frankly, I feel a whole lot safer in my 1955 Studebaker President
> with seat belts than I do in my 1983 Civic.
>
> JT
>
>
reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
>
>
> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When one looks at the weight of today's cars, one common fact comes out;
>>> Weight gain is due mostly to safety considerations.
>>
>>
>> This is especially a problem in the USA where it seem the public
>> thinks heavy
>> vehicles are safer.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
>
> If push comes to shove, the heavier vehicle will suffer less damage than
> the lighter should the two tango.
>
> Quite frankly, I feel a whole lot safer in my 1955 Studebaker President
> with seat belts than I do in my 1983 Civic.
>
> JT
>
>
reality is, it's not weight, it's ability to protect the passenger cell
that matters. if the passenger cell fails, and unfortunately, that
happens in a lot of those big heavy older vehicles, the occupants are
going to have the local coyotes and vultures poking about inside their
vehicle quite actively if the crash is not detected soon enough.
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Eeyore wrote:
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > I've *never* seen a maintenance requirement for a manual transmission.
>> >
>>
>> Fluid must be replaced at regular intervals. This will be specified in
>> the maintenance table for your car.
>
> The last one I recall making any oil change requirement was a high-end
> 1970 model.
>
> I should have said that oil level checks are a maintenance requirement of
> course.
Have you actually checked any manuals?
My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > I've *never* seen a maintenance requirement for a manual transmission.
>> >
>>
>> Fluid must be replaced at regular intervals. This will be specified in
>> the maintenance table for your car.
>
> The last one I recall making any oil change requirement was a high-end
> 1970 model.
>
> I should have said that oil level checks are a maintenance requirement of
> course.
Have you actually checked any manuals?
My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Eeyore wrote:
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > I've *never* seen a maintenance requirement for a manual transmission.
>> >
>>
>> Fluid must be replaced at regular intervals. This will be specified in
>> the maintenance table for your car.
>
> The last one I recall making any oil change requirement was a high-end
> 1970 model.
>
> I should have said that oil level checks are a maintenance requirement of
> course.
Have you actually checked any manuals?
My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
>
>
> Tegger wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> > I've *never* seen a maintenance requirement for a manual transmission.
>> >
>>
>> Fluid must be replaced at regular intervals. This will be specified in
>> the maintenance table for your car.
>
> The last one I recall making any oil change requirement was a high-end
> 1970 model.
>
> I should have said that oil level checks are a maintenance requirement of
> course.
Have you actually checked any manuals?
My 06 Civic Si certainly has scheduled service for replacement of the manual
transmission fluid. Can't give you a set schedule, since it is on the
maintenance minder, but it will come up and need to be done.
#128
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Tegger wrote:
> Broderick Crawford <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> news:4652c91f$0$4724$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>
>> safety, Drive right and you won't need it. Safety is just a
>> protection scheme invented by the American car companies to keep out
>> the competition.
>
>
> If that's the case, the plan isn't working very well.
that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
themselves wondering what the people were buying those dumb-***
vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
> The domestics are
> losing market share left right and center. Isn't Toyota poised to displace
> GM in the #1 position in a few years?
>
>
>
>
> Broderick Crawford <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> news:4652c91f$0$4724$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>
>> safety, Drive right and you won't need it. Safety is just a
>> protection scheme invented by the American car companies to keep out
>> the competition.
>
>
> If that's the case, the plan isn't working very well.
that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
themselves wondering what the people were buying those dumb-***
vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
> The domestics are
> losing market share left right and center. Isn't Toyota poised to displace
> GM in the #1 position in a few years?
>
>
>
>
#129
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Re: Volkswagon unveils car that gets 282 miles to the gallon.
Tegger wrote:
> Broderick Crawford <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> news:4652c91f$0$4724$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>
>> safety, Drive right and you won't need it. Safety is just a
>> protection scheme invented by the American car companies to keep out
>> the competition.
>
>
> If that's the case, the plan isn't working very well.
that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
themselves wondering what the people were buying those dumb-***
vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
> The domestics are
> losing market share left right and center. Isn't Toyota poised to displace
> GM in the #1 position in a few years?
>
>
>
>
> Broderick Crawford <bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> news:4652c91f$0$4724$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>
>> safety, Drive right and you won't need it. Safety is just a
>> protection scheme invented by the American car companies to keep out
>> the competition.
>
>
> If that's the case, the plan isn't working very well.
that's the ironic stupidity of it! rather than re-invest and compete,
detroit simply put lipstick on their pig and hoped to keep selling it.
now, domestic product is /so/ bad and /so/ behind the technology curve,
it's hard to see how they could ever catch up. it's not like anyone
couldn't see this coming, not least detroit, and they were filling their
pants with their fears. but then they had the reprieve of the suv
phenomenon when they were suddenly making 50% /NET/ profits on those
pieces of the garbage, and the japanese were standing about scratching
themselves wondering what the people were buying those dumb-***
vehicles for. but ever the pragmatists, the japanese soon figured that
if that's what the round-eyes wanted, that's what they would get, and
suddenly the only thing detroit had left was taken away. dumb bastards.
they deserve to go down in flames if they can't get smart.
> The domestics are
> losing market share left right and center. Isn't Toyota poised to displace
> GM in the #1 position in a few years?
>
>
>
>
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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:sKmdneQEcNj3Lc7bnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> Tegger wrote:
>> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>>
>>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
>
> the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary
> geared automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in
> addition to clutch packs.
Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:sKmdneQEcNj3Lc7bnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> Tegger wrote:
>> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>>
>>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
>
> the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary
> geared automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in
> addition to clutch packs.
Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:sKmdneQEcNj3Lc7bnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> Tegger wrote:
>> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>>
>>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
>
> the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary
> geared automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in
> addition to clutch packs.
Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
news:sKmdneQEcNj3Lc7bnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
> Tegger wrote:
>> "jp2express" <jp2mail-tempforum@noSpamyahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:IhC4i.21608$YL5.5384@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et:
>>
>>> Are automatic transmissions still more expensive to maintain (i.e.
>>> fluid changes, belt/band adjustments, filter replacements, etc.)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most autos do not use bands any more; they use clutch packs.
>
> the all clutch pack solution is unique to honda afaik. planetary
> geared automatics, which are the majority, still use clutch bands in
> addition to clutch packs.
Toyota went bandless in the '70s.
--
Tegger
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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> Useful Info wrote:
>
>> Read all about it, here: <snip>
>>
>
> Useful wins this troll.
>
>
But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
foil hat.
Mike
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> Useful Info wrote:
>
>> Read all about it, here: <snip>
>>
>
> Useful wins this troll.
>
>
But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
foil hat.
Mike
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"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
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> Useful Info wrote:
>
>> Read all about it, here: <snip>
>>
>
> Useful wins this troll.
>
>
But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
foil hat.
Mike
news:WIQ4i.8941$B25.5237@news01.roc.ny...
> Useful Info wrote:
>
>> Read all about it, here: <snip>
>>
>
> Useful wins this troll.
>
>
But as a spammer he seems to have ended up on the losing end. The thread has
been about the subject line and spinoff from that. His site advertising has
been a flop, because nobody even cares where the link pointed. Just as
well - I saw the subject lines there and realized I had forgotten my tin
foil hat.
Mike