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Re: What gear am I in?
That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88
Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > Hope this helps... > > Jonathan > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which >> gear it is in! >> >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. >> >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without >> displaying it on the dash)? >> >> Thanx. >> >> J. >> > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88
Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > Hope this helps... > > Jonathan > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which >> gear it is in! >> >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. >> >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without >> displaying it on the dash)? >> >> Thanx. >> >> J. >> > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88
Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > Hope this helps... > > Jonathan > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which >> gear it is in! >> >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. >> >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without >> displaying it on the dash)? >> >> Thanx. >> >> J. >> > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88
Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > Hope this helps... > > Jonathan > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which >> gear it is in! >> >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. >> >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without >> displaying it on the dash)? >> >> Thanx. >> >> J. >> > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the
information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point is taken. ;-) Jonathan "E. Meyer" <e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:BC3AECAD.41388%e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org... > That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88 > Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with > overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If > your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. > > On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article > 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" > <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Jonathan > > > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... > >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am > >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which > >> gear it is in! > >> > >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the > >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. > >> > >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to > >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current > >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without > >> displaying it on the dash)? > >> > >> Thanx. > >> > >> J. > >> > > > > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the
information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point is taken. ;-) Jonathan "E. Meyer" <e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:BC3AECAD.41388%e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org... > That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88 > Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with > overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If > your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. > > On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article > 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" > <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Jonathan > > > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... > >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am > >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which > >> gear it is in! > >> > >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the > >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. > >> > >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to > >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current > >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without > >> displaying it on the dash)? > >> > >> Thanx. > >> > >> J. > >> > > > > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the
information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point is taken. ;-) Jonathan "E. Meyer" <e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:BC3AECAD.41388%e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org... > That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88 > Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with > overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If > your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. > > On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article > 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" > <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Jonathan > > > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... > >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am > >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which > >> gear it is in! > >> > >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the > >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. > >> > >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to > >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current > >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without > >> displaying it on the dash)? > >> > >> Thanx. > >> > >> J. > >> > > > > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the
information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point is taken. ;-) Jonathan "E. Meyer" <e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message news:BC3AECAD.41388%e.meyerNOSPAM@ieee.org... > That's not overdrive you are shifting into when you let up at 55 on an '88 > Accord, its the lock up clutch engaging. On a four speed automatic with > overdrive, 4th gear is an overdrive gear. Direct drive is always 3rd. If > your Honda has a 5 speed automatic, both 4 and 5 are overdrive gears. > > On 1/26/04 11:34 AM, in article > 7dcRb.18115$YG.1034114@twister.southeast.rr.com, "Jonathan Upright" > <qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > It is easy. If you have a 4-speed auto with overdrive, here's all you do. > > Put it in D4 and go the nearest intersection where you can begin from a > > complete stop. When you initially start, the tranny will be in first gear. > > Press the gas pedal about ½ way to the floor while accelerating for best > > results. You'll notice the tach will climb and then suddenly drop. That's > > when it's shifting. The tranny will never skip a gear, so everytime the > > tach drops from a climb, count up one gear. When you get to 55MPH, let off > > the gas enough to where you maintain a constant 55MPH. The tach should be > > (or drop to) somewhere between 2k-3k RPM. That should be overdrive. On > > average, an Acord will shift gears between 3000 and 3500RPM when driven > > normally. All you have to do is count. Based on my wife's '88 Accord, > > here's a rough-estimate "cheat-sheet": (Using the method I mentioned above) > > 0-20MPH = first; 20-40 = second; 40-50 = 3rd; above 50 = 4th, and whenever > > you let off the gas to "cruise", or at about 65MPH, it will go into > > overdrive. The lowest speed I've ever seen it go into overdrive is at about > > 45MPH. Any lower, it should be in 4th if you're "cruising", unless you're > > cruising at 35MPH or less...then it should be in 3rd. > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Jonathan > > > > "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message > > news:70u810pll7c6m4qrueuh9dqkp8sgsaqr77@4ax.com... > >> I have a nice, new Accord EX4 sedan with the automatic, which I am > >> very happy with, but would like one thing -- some indication of which > >> gear it is in! > >> > >> I can look at the tach and guess, do some math in my head from the > >> mph, but a simple indicator would be much better. > >> > >> Anyone else have this idea? Is there a product available? Any way to > >> trick out the engine computer to use the existing display for current > >> gear instead of shift handle position (which is clear enough without > >> displaying it on the dash)? > >> > >> Thanx. > >> > >> J. > >> > > > > > |
Re: What gear am I in?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:43:35 GMT, "Jonathan Upright"
<qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: >You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the >information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his >knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point >is taken. ;-) FYI, I'm in a 2004 Accord EX4. I don't have the owners manual here, but they call it a 5-speed auto. BTW, simply accelerating and marking shift points is not enough to determine numbers, since (I assume) the shift points move according to load, not to mention the torque converter, and for all I know the time of day and phase of the moon. Let's see, google is my friend, so: http://www.new-cars.com/2004/honda/h...dan-specs.html 2.652, 1.517, 1.037, 0.738, 0.566. Final drive 4.438. I'm sure these convert simply to MPH, but there will still be the fudge factors. I'm guessing that at a given MPH between about 30 and 70, the car might be in any of three different gears at any moment. Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? FWIW, two of these appear to be overdrive, as far as the transmission cares, and the third one is barely under straight-thru. This ain't my father's 4-banger! J. |
Re: What gear am I in?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:43:35 GMT, "Jonathan Upright"
<qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: >You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the >information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his >knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point >is taken. ;-) FYI, I'm in a 2004 Accord EX4. I don't have the owners manual here, but they call it a 5-speed auto. BTW, simply accelerating and marking shift points is not enough to determine numbers, since (I assume) the shift points move according to load, not to mention the torque converter, and for all I know the time of day and phase of the moon. Let's see, google is my friend, so: http://www.new-cars.com/2004/honda/h...dan-specs.html 2.652, 1.517, 1.037, 0.738, 0.566. Final drive 4.438. I'm sure these convert simply to MPH, but there will still be the fudge factors. I'm guessing that at a given MPH between about 30 and 70, the car might be in any of three different gears at any moment. Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? FWIW, two of these appear to be overdrive, as far as the transmission cares, and the third one is barely under straight-thru. This ain't my father's 4-banger! J. |
Re: What gear am I in?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:43:35 GMT, "Jonathan Upright"
<qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: >You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the >information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his >knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point >is taken. ;-) FYI, I'm in a 2004 Accord EX4. I don't have the owners manual here, but they call it a 5-speed auto. BTW, simply accelerating and marking shift points is not enough to determine numbers, since (I assume) the shift points move according to load, not to mention the torque converter, and for all I know the time of day and phase of the moon. Let's see, google is my friend, so: http://www.new-cars.com/2004/honda/h...dan-specs.html 2.652, 1.517, 1.037, 0.738, 0.566. Final drive 4.438. I'm sure these convert simply to MPH, but there will still be the fudge factors. I'm guessing that at a given MPH between about 30 and 70, the car might be in any of three different gears at any moment. Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? FWIW, two of these appear to be overdrive, as far as the transmission cares, and the third one is barely under straight-thru. This ain't my father's 4-banger! J. |
Re: What gear am I in?
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:43:35 GMT, "Jonathan Upright"
<qaesar1@hotmail.com> wrote: >You are correct, but I figured, based on "JXStern's" question, the >information you just provided was inconsequential in reference to his >knowledge (or lack thereof) of AT's. But since you posted it, you're point >is taken. ;-) FYI, I'm in a 2004 Accord EX4. I don't have the owners manual here, but they call it a 5-speed auto. BTW, simply accelerating and marking shift points is not enough to determine numbers, since (I assume) the shift points move according to load, not to mention the torque converter, and for all I know the time of day and phase of the moon. Let's see, google is my friend, so: http://www.new-cars.com/2004/honda/h...dan-specs.html 2.652, 1.517, 1.037, 0.738, 0.566. Final drive 4.438. I'm sure these convert simply to MPH, but there will still be the fudge factors. I'm guessing that at a given MPH between about 30 and 70, the car might be in any of three different gears at any moment. Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? FWIW, two of these appear to be overdrive, as far as the transmission cares, and the third one is barely under straight-thru. This ain't my father's 4-banger! J. |
Re: What gear am I in?
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message news:t5ab10p4j9qtm8at500nagjheqi6d4i7j5@4ax.com... > > Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? For what purpose? -- Brian www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: What gear am I in?
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message news:t5ab10p4j9qtm8at500nagjheqi6d4i7j5@4ax.com... > > Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? For what purpose? -- Brian www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
Re: What gear am I in?
"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in message news:t5ab10p4j9qtm8at500nagjheqi6d4i7j5@4ax.com... > > Hence, it would be easier to have a simple indicator, hey? For what purpose? -- Brian www.accesswave.ca/~orion |
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