Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

A friend of mine here in Canada has a 2001 LX Odyssey, and his dealership
replaced his tyranny, even though it was 2000 miles over the wty.
I have a 2000 Ody with 30000 miles, and I'm considering taking mine in too!
-chris

"WaterWatcher" <replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9PWdne2WaZMpeorfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
> afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
> the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
> aware of with the Odyssey?
>
> Thanks,
> WW
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

A friend of mine here in Canada has a 2001 LX Odyssey, and his dealership
replaced his tyranny, even though it was 2000 miles over the wty.
I have a 2000 Ody with 30000 miles, and I'm considering taking mine in too!
-chris

"WaterWatcher" <replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9PWdne2WaZMpeorfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
> afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
> the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
> aware of with the Odyssey?
>
> Thanks,
> WW
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Darn,
Could've been 5 cents richer, but then I knew I could win.
Howard
"chip" <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote in message
news:kdfi11h9jm0srdfjcqhcd441mgulakhtc0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:49:36 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <gE7Sd.16846$Rl5.16342@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Howard" <howardh@nospam-cybrstar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I repeat!
> >> "even 2005's may need it. Just watch and wait."
> >> Betcha a nickel.
> >
> >hmmmmm, I'm awfully tempted to take that bet.
> >
> >But maybe that's just my optimism that Honda has fired everyone involved
> >in previous transmissions, and is past all this.
>
>
> i will take that bet!!! I put a tranny in an 05 touring model last
> week for differential bearing noise...
> i also did 1 02 oddy and 1 99 oddy tranny last week.
> Chip

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Darn,
Could've been 5 cents richer, but then I knew I could win.
Howard
"chip" <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote in message
news:kdfi11h9jm0srdfjcqhcd441mgulakhtc0@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:49:36 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <gE7Sd.16846$Rl5.16342@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Howard" <howardh@nospam-cybrstar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I repeat!
> >> "even 2005's may need it. Just watch and wait."
> >> Betcha a nickel.
> >
> >hmmmmm, I'm awfully tempted to take that bet.
> >
> >But maybe that's just my optimism that Honda has fired everyone involved
> >in previous transmissions, and is past all this.
>
>
> i will take that bet!!! I put a tranny in an 05 touring model last
> week for differential bearing noise...
> i also did 1 02 oddy and 1 99 oddy tranny last week.
> Chip

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will have a
>> tranny problem.
>
>Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
>problem.
>
>But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
>transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in 99,
>and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
>Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
>
>They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
>transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.

What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect but
is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to make
parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.

Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will have a
>> tranny problem.
>
>Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
>problem.
>
>But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
>transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in 99,
>and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
>Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
>
>They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
>transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.

What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect but
is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to make
parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.

Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Honda might want to look at GM for AC and Trannies - two things GM generally
does well.
GM engines on the other hand... oh well.

"Robert" <bobnjoan@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:nmok11h1e1qssk3a3muh961h6sho7grkqd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
>> "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will have a
>>> tranny problem.
>>
>>Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
>>problem.
>>
>>But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
>>transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in 99,
>>and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
>>Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
>>
>>They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
>>transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.
>
> What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect but
> is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
> models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
> for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
> putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to make
> parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
> Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.
>
> Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Honda might want to look at GM for AC and Trannies - two things GM generally
does well.
GM engines on the other hand... oh well.

"Robert" <bobnjoan@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:nmok11h1e1qssk3a3muh961h6sho7grkqd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
>> "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will have a
>>> tranny problem.
>>
>>Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
>>problem.
>>
>>But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
>>transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in 99,
>>and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
>>Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
>>
>>They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
>>transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.
>
> What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect but
> is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
> models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
> for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
> putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to make
> parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
> Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.
>
> Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Kinda sobering to hear someone say that.....

Rumor is that the engineer that was responsible for the hot gear issue
voluntarily retired.....

He now resides in a pine box somewhere underground.

Apparently it bothered him too...

-Snip-

> But maybe that's just my optimism that Honda has fired everyone involved
> in previous transmissions, and is past all this.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Kinda sobering to hear someone say that.....

Rumor is that the engineer that was responsible for the hot gear issue
voluntarily retired.....

He now resides in a pine box somewhere underground.

Apparently it bothered him too...

-Snip-

> But maybe that's just my optimism that Honda has fired everyone involved
> in previous transmissions, and is past all this.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

It was not nearly as big a percentage of missions that we originally
feared. The L4 Accord is performing very well, the Ody failures were only a
small percentage of total vehicles sold, the '05 Ody had only a minor issue
with low gear, the V6 Accord hot gear issue has been a minute percentage.
Honda has voluntarily extended the drivetrain warranty to protect customer
investment in our product. (These were design issues, not assembly issues.)
To date, most of those transmissions that were goodwilled out by Honda were
done so with remarkable efficiency.

To date, we have built over 5.4 million automatic transmissions here in
Ohio.

That's five point four million, since 1997.

L4 Accord, V6 Accord, V6 Ody,4WD Pilot, L4 Civic, Acura V6 CL,V6 TL, 4WD
MDX, Ridgeline, Element.

When we see that customers-valued customers- have had issues that they
didn't feel got resolved in a fair and timely manner it only makes us work
harder to prevent something like that from ever occurring again.

I can't speak for everyone at Honda, but I grew up there. I've never
even been in a GM or Ford plant.

"WaterWatcher" <replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9PWdne2WaZMpeorfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
> afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
> the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
> aware of with the Odyssey?
>
> Thanks,
> WW
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

It was not nearly as big a percentage of missions that we originally
feared. The L4 Accord is performing very well, the Ody failures were only a
small percentage of total vehicles sold, the '05 Ody had only a minor issue
with low gear, the V6 Accord hot gear issue has been a minute percentage.
Honda has voluntarily extended the drivetrain warranty to protect customer
investment in our product. (These were design issues, not assembly issues.)
To date, most of those transmissions that were goodwilled out by Honda were
done so with remarkable efficiency.

To date, we have built over 5.4 million automatic transmissions here in
Ohio.

That's five point four million, since 1997.

L4 Accord, V6 Accord, V6 Ody,4WD Pilot, L4 Civic, Acura V6 CL,V6 TL, 4WD
MDX, Ridgeline, Element.

When we see that customers-valued customers- have had issues that they
didn't feel got resolved in a fair and timely manner it only makes us work
harder to prevent something like that from ever occurring again.

I can't speak for everyone at Honda, but I grew up there. I've never
even been in a GM or Ford plant.

"WaterWatcher" <replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9PWdne2WaZMpeorfRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
> afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
> the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
> aware of with the Odyssey?
>
> Thanks,
> WW
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

gm chrysler and ford don't build cars. they build junk.



Robert wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will
have a
> >> tranny problem.
> >
> >Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
> >problem.
> >
> >But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
> >transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in
99,
> >and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
> >Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
> >
> >They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
> >transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.
>
> What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect
but
> is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
> models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
> for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
> putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to
make
> parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
> Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.
>
> Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

gm chrysler and ford don't build cars. they build junk.



Robert wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:49:30 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <rc5Sd.9008$a96.8150@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> > "Howard" <howardh1951at@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it's an Odyssey with a V-6 motor, unfortunately it has or will
have a
> >> tranny problem.
> >
> >Not a late model 04, and not the 05. By mid-04, they had fixed the
> >problem.
> >
> >But it's freakish how the Odyssey got caught up with the same bad
> >transmission starting in 99 as Honda put in the Accord starting in
99,
> >and how--when they went to the all-new 5 speed unit with the 02
> >Odyssey--there was yet another problem in THAT transmission.
> >
> >They need to stop hiring ex-Chrysler and -Ford guys to do their
> >transmissions. We all expected better than that from Honda.
>
> What exactly is the problem with these trannys - no one is perfect
but
> is it a case of cost cutting or just a design fluke? Looking at Big3
> models it's strange how cars such as Crown Vics which haven't changed
> for years suddenly develop new problems - I can only assume they're
> putting more and more of a squeeze on suppliers who are forced to
make
> parts cheaper and weaker until you get a major problem. I just hope
> Honda is not looking at Ford and GM as the way to build cars.
>
> Bob

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
next failure.

My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
problems, the difference is in how they are handled.

Jon