Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
next failure.

My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
problems, the difference is in how they are handled.

Jon

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Very interesting as I myself have been a true Honda patron since 1987 & am
now moving over to the other side with Toyota as the quality at Honda is
just toooo much engineered less than it used to be & the gap between them &
other high end quality autos is visibly lessening.

It may be best to sell your Ody to a buyer clearly knowing of the potential
issue & also signing the sales sheet "as is".

T

"heavyman" <jonbuilds@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109371549.623834.73180@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
> Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
> week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
> thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
> Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
> that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
> back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
> family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
> until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
> keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
> next failure.
>
> My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
> I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
> I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
> problems, the difference is in how they are handled.
>
> Jon
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Very interesting as I myself have been a true Honda patron since 1987 & am
now moving over to the other side with Toyota as the quality at Honda is
just toooo much engineered less than it used to be & the gap between them &
other high end quality autos is visibly lessening.

It may be best to sell your Ody to a buyer clearly knowing of the potential
issue & also signing the sales sheet "as is".

T

"heavyman" <jonbuilds@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109371549.623834.73180@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
> Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
> week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
> thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
> Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
> that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
> back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
> family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
> until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
> keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
> next failure.
>
> My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
> I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
> I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
> problems, the difference is in how they are handled.
>
> Jon
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Fellas:

You wouldn't be smart consumers if you didn't consider another
nameplate; I'm not trying to blow sunshine where it don't belong. It would
disappoint me to lose either of you, but you are not alone in your concerns.
Four transmission replacements in one vehicle is more than just a
concern; it's tragic. It bothers me that we didn't get to the solutions
before we did. All the while we were working on solutions, our customers
were dealing with problems the real world. It's financially tragic as well,
considering that each one of those goodwill replacements costs us (Honda)
over three thousand dollars apiece. Quite frankly, after the first one, all
the profit from the original sale was probably lost, so imagine what the
fourth replacement did for us. Try to quantify that in terms of how badly
Honda worked to save it's customers.
I deal first hand with failed transmissions, and I can tell you that
the problem is solved; it is my hope that we don't lose loyal buyers. It is
my belief that these design issues were growing pains, experienced as Honda
moved into new technology with 5-speed automatics. I'm telling you we have
matured in this area.

-Snip-

> Very interesting as I myself have been a true Honda patron since 1987 & am
> now moving over to the other side with Toyota as the quality at Honda is
> just toooo much engineered less than it used to be & the gap between them
&
> other high end quality autos is visibly lessening.
>
> It may be best to sell your Ody to a buyer clearly knowing of the
potential
> issue & also signing the sales sheet "as is".
>
> T
>
> "heavyman" <jonbuilds@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1109371549.623834.73180@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
> > Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
> > week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
> > thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
> > Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
> > that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
> > back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
> > family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
> > until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
> > keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
> > next failure.
> >
> > My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
> > I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
> > I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
> > problems, the difference is in how they are handled.
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

Fellas:

You wouldn't be smart consumers if you didn't consider another
nameplate; I'm not trying to blow sunshine where it don't belong. It would
disappoint me to lose either of you, but you are not alone in your concerns.
Four transmission replacements in one vehicle is more than just a
concern; it's tragic. It bothers me that we didn't get to the solutions
before we did. All the while we were working on solutions, our customers
were dealing with problems the real world. It's financially tragic as well,
considering that each one of those goodwill replacements costs us (Honda)
over three thousand dollars apiece. Quite frankly, after the first one, all
the profit from the original sale was probably lost, so imagine what the
fourth replacement did for us. Try to quantify that in terms of how badly
Honda worked to save it's customers.
I deal first hand with failed transmissions, and I can tell you that
the problem is solved; it is my hope that we don't lose loyal buyers. It is
my belief that these design issues were growing pains, experienced as Honda
moved into new technology with 5-speed automatics. I'm telling you we have
matured in this area.

-Snip-

> Very interesting as I myself have been a true Honda patron since 1987 & am
> now moving over to the other side with Toyota as the quality at Honda is
> just toooo much engineered less than it used to be & the gap between them
&
> other high end quality autos is visibly lessening.
>
> It may be best to sell your Ody to a buyer clearly knowing of the
potential
> issue & also signing the sales sheet "as is".
>
> T
>
> "heavyman" <jonbuilds@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1109371549.623834.73180@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >I have had (4) "goodwill" transmission replacements in our 2000
> > Odyssey, first at about 80,000, one at 85,000, one at 87,000, and last
> > week one at 110,000. Thanks to Honda for replacing post-warranty. No
> > thanks to Honda for designing a system that clearly does not fulfill
> > Honda's historically legendary quality, and has left us in a vehicle
> > that is not worth even half of what we owe. Asked dealership to buy it
> > back for what we owe so we could afford a new one, they refused. My
> > family collectively has owned 11 different new Hondas since 1984, and
> > until this one all have been as-billed. I can't afford the risk of
> > keeping the vehicle, nearly a $4,000 repair if they won't warranty the
> > next failure.
> >
> > My wife and I would have appreciated Honda saving us from this car, as
> > I cannot in good faith sell this to an unsuspecting family knowing what
> > I know. Honda is losing me on this one.....all companies/products have
> > problems, the difference is in how they are handled.
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

-Snip-

Should have read "in terms of how HARD Honda worked.."

poor choice of words on my part...

> fourth replacement did for us. Try to quantify that in terms of how badly
> Honda worked to save it's customers.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

-Snip-

Should have read "in terms of how HARD Honda worked.."

poor choice of words on my part...

> fourth replacement did for us. Try to quantify that in terms of how badly
> Honda worked to save it's customers.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:28:21 -0800, "WaterWatcher"
<replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
>afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
>the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
>aware of with the Odyssey?

Presume any Honda from about 1998 onwards with an automatic, is likely
to have tranny problems. Some you just live with, it's only the ones
that leave you stranded that Honda has so far addressed publicly.

J.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:28:21 -0800, "WaterWatcher"
<replytogroup@donotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm considering a 2000 Odyssey with 90,000 miles. What year were they
>afflicted with bad trannies? Consumers sez the '99 had a weak trans, but
>the 2000 looks OK. Anyone know for sure? Also, any other issues to be
>aware of with the Odyssey?

Presume any Honda from about 1998 onwards with an automatic, is likely
to have tranny problems. Some you just live with, it's only the ones
that leave you stranded that Honda has so far addressed publicly.

J.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

-snip-
>
> Presume any Honda from about 1998 onwards with an automatic, is likely
> to have tranny problems. Some you just live with, it's only the ones
> that leave you stranded that Honda has so far addressed publicly.
>
> J.

Poor advice...how do you justify that?
Can you even begin to back up that statement with facts?
I respect that you are entitled to state your opinions here in this
forum, but I challenge you to offer real-world evidence to justify your
statements.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

-snip-
>
> Presume any Honda from about 1998 onwards with an automatic, is likely
> to have tranny problems. Some you just live with, it's only the ones
> that leave you stranded that Honda has so far addressed publicly.
>
> J.

Poor advice...how do you justify that?
Can you even begin to back up that statement with facts?
I respect that you are entitled to state your opinions here in this
forum, but I challenge you to offer real-world evidence to justify your
statements.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

I have an 01 LX that has 69K miles and has had 2 tranny replacements and
the 3rd is now having the same problrem as the other failed 2. Only
thing is dealer is blowing me off this time. We only have 4 more
payments left and I was really looking forward to no payments for
awhile. I dont know if this vehicle would qualify under the lemon law or
not. I would be scared of a 00 with 90K miles.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

I have an 01 LX that has 69K miles and has had 2 tranny replacements and
the 3rd is now having the same problrem as the other failed 2. Only
thing is dealer is blowing me off this time. We only have 4 more
payments left and I was really looking forward to no payments for
awhile. I dont know if this vehicle would qualify under the lemon law or
not. I would be scared of a 00 with 90K miles.

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

So far, I haven't seen anything on how you can tell when your trannie
is about to fail. Any early warning operation or does it die on the
highway?
I have a '00 Odyssey with 65k miles and, so far, it has been an
excellent vehicle, smooth operation, good mileage, etc.
Ron

Re: What year Odyssey's had Bad Trannies
 

So far, I haven't seen anything on how you can tell when your trannie
is about to fail. Any early warning operation or does it die on the
highway?
I have a '00 Odyssey with 65k miles and, so far, it has been an
excellent vehicle, smooth operation, good mileage, etc.
Ron