Whats the deal with the new oil change intervals??????
07-30-2004, 08:29 AM
#16
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Re: do it every 4500k
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:16:56 -0700, CaptainKrunch <nobody@nothing.com> sayeth:
>Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
>the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
>engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
>sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
>call bullshit on your argument.
I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile
intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car
you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even
after 60,000 miles.
Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but
the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it.
--
Chris B.
furrier@iglou.com
>Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
>the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
>engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
>sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
>call bullshit on your argument.
I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile
intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car
you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even
after 60,000 miles.
Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but
the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it.
--
Chris B.
furrier@iglou.com
07-30-2004, 08:29 AM
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Re: do it every 4500k
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:16:56 -0700, CaptainKrunch <nobody@nothing.com> sayeth:
>Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
>the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
>engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
>sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
>call bullshit on your argument.
I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile
intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car
you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even
after 60,000 miles.
Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but
the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it.
--
Chris B.
furrier@iglou.com
>Additionally the 3000 mile oil change interval has been around since about
>the 50's I believe. Engine emissions have lowered significantly, the
>engines heat up faster and maintain higher temperatures to help prevent
>sludging, and the oil itself is ten fold better than it was. So I have to
>call bullshit on your argument.
I agree. Most new cars would probably do fine on 15,000 mile
intervals with normal driving. It wouldn't be recommended for a car
you care about, but the car would likely still be running fine even
after 60,000 miles.
Changing oil every 3,000 miles certainly doesnt hurt anything, but
the oil-change companies certainly appreciate it.
--
Chris B.
furrier@iglou.com
07-31-2004, 01:33 PM
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Re: do it every 4500k
I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
through testing.
You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
Jason wrote:
> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
>>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
>>since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>
through testing.
You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
Jason wrote:
> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
>>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
>>since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>
07-31-2004, 01:33 PM
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Re: do it every 4500k
I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
through testing.
You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
Jason wrote:
> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
>>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
>>since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>
through testing.
You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
Jason wrote:
> In article <YgVNc.10654$Lb4.2312@trndny04>, "lamont"
> <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
>>influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
>>since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
>
> The general rule used by lots of people is
> every 3000 miles if you do lots of city driving.
> every 5000 miles if you rarely do any city driving.
>
> Believe it or not, some companies that make and sell automobiles
> recommend 7000 to 10,000 mile oil changes depending on company.
> There is a reason:
> They want their cars to develop problems within 3 to 4 years
> so they can sell more new cars to those people that followed
> their advice related to oil changes. Some mechanics also suggest
> you change it at 7000 to 10000 miles so they will make more
> money off repairs.
>
07-31-2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: do it every 4500k
In article <10gnlu3fuapcm8c@corp.supernews.com>, spam@spam.com wrote:
>I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
>through testing.
>You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
>to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
>I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
>@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
>
Or just do an oil change for less money! You then have "perfect" oil and a
new filter, plus a couple extra $ in your pocket.
>I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
>through testing.
>You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
>to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
>I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
>@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
>
Or just do an oil change for less money! You then have "perfect" oil and a
new filter, plus a couple extra $ in your pocket.
07-31-2004, 05:57 PM
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Re: do it every 4500k
In article <10gnlu3fuapcm8c@corp.supernews.com>, spam@spam.com wrote:
>I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
>through testing.
>You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
>to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
>I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
>@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
>
Or just do an oil change for less money! You then have "perfect" oil and a
new filter, plus a couple extra $ in your pocket.
>I'm sure the car companies determined the longer oil change interval
>through testing.
>You, too, can have your oil tested after changing it by sending a sample
>to http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ $20-30 per test.
>I haven't tried it with normal oil yet but the synthethic oil I drained
>@ 9,000 miles was fine, per their report.
>
Or just do an oil change for less money! You then have "perfect" oil and a
new filter, plus a couple extra $ in your pocket.
08-05-2004, 01:17 PM
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that makes no sense!
since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
change oil will be a major engine repair /
years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
change oil will be a major engine repair /
08-05-2004, 01:17 PM
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that makes no sense!
since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
change oil will be a major engine repair /
years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
change oil will be a major engine repair /
08-05-2004, 09:12 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
I don't understand what the hell you are saying
"lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
>
"lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
>
08-05-2004, 09:12 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
I don't understand what the hell you are saying
"lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
>
"lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
>
08-05-2004, 09:20 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
No .
Lamont, you need to to learn to _reply_ to posts, not start new threads.
08-05-2004, 09:20 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
No .
Lamont, you need to to learn to _reply_ to posts, not start new threads.
08-07-2004, 01:38 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
Many people don't. He doesn't quote what he is responding to, and he either
starts new threads on all his responses, or just edits the subject line for
some odd reason.
Most of his postings "appear" to be random mumbling.
news:zsudnTJxGPDqRo_cRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
Many people don't. He doesn't quote what he is responding to, and he either
starts new threads on all his responses, or just edits the subject line for
some odd reason.
Most of his postings "appear" to be random mumbling.
08-07-2004, 01:38 PM
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Re: that makes no sense!
"CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
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>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
Many people don't. He doesn't quote what he is responding to, and he either
starts new threads on all his responses, or just edits the subject line for
some odd reason.
Most of his postings "appear" to be random mumbling.
news:zsudnTJxGPDqRo_cRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>
> "lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0ZtQc.3139$E12.2069@trndny09...
> > since most cars have a power train warranty thats 70000 miles or 3 or 4
> > years wouldnt the companies have to pay for a major engine repair? that
> > doesnt make sense. also, the only repair you will need from failure to
> > change oil will be a major engine repair /
>
> I don't understand what the hell you are saying
>
Many people don't. He doesn't quote what he is responding to, and he either
starts new threads on all his responses, or just edits the subject line for
some odd reason.
Most of his postings "appear" to be random mumbling.
08-12-2004, 08:14 PM
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Re: do it every 4500k
"lamont" <lamont@microsoft.com> wrote:
> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
> influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
> since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
> "CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
> news:e6SdnYcfL_wRlJncRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> > 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
> > normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k,
> > oil
> > again at 30k and so on.
> >
> > Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of
> > advice
> > and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.
> >
> > The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum
> > I
> > don't think they will last that long and perform properly.
i change every 15k or so and have never had a problem... and that is on
two different hondas at 167K and 235K, it's true, the oil industry AND
the repair industry are behind the unnecessary oil changes...
> i heard on car talk that those 3000mile oil change intervals were heavily
> influenced by the oil industry. they said 4500 or 5000 is fine especially
> since they add so many additives to oil now a days.
>
> "CaptainKrunch" <nobody@nothing.com> wrote in message
> news:e6SdnYcfL_wRlJncRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> > 2004 accord lx..the maintenance schedule specifically states that under
> > normal driving conditions to change the oil only at 10k, filter at 20k,
> > oil
> > again at 30k and so on.
> >
> > Although I am no engineer I am going to have to pass on this piece of
> > advice
> > and just change at about 7500 miles, the oil and filter.
> >
> > The plugs are also to be changed at 110k. Hell even if they are platinum
> > I
> > don't think they will last that long and perform properly.
i change every 15k or so and have never had a problem... and that is on
two different hondas at 167K and 235K, it's true, the oil industry AND
the repair industry are behind the unnecessary oil changes...