E. Meyer

On 12/11/04 9:22 AM, in article d34mr0tpdebmc2otdn7f0kolf8lsuam56n@4ax.com,
"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:57:08 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>> On 12/10/04 2:28 PM, in article 6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com,
>> "Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>>> _"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>>> Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>>>
>>>> Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>>>
>>>> Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>>> directions.
>>>
>>> Thanks, got it.
>>>
>>> ...Looks like I was right after all.
>>>
>>> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>>> be?)
>>>
>>> After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>>> car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>>> fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>>> that one particular part so onerous?
>>>
>>> ...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>>> product liability?
>>
>> Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
>> of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
>> middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.
>
> Looking at http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=43307 it
> appears it will take a half-hour just to label all the screws...
>
> What's your tip?
>
Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
box itself - one screw in the damper piston on the right side, two on the
bottom holding the hinges, and the stoppers on the sides of the box slide
forward and pop out.

E. Meyer

On 12/11/04 9:22 AM, in article d34mr0tpdebmc2otdn7f0kolf8lsuam56n@4ax.com,
"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:57:08 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>> On 12/10/04 2:28 PM, in article 6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com,
>> "Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>>> _"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>>> Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>>>
>>>> Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>>>
>>>> Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>>> directions.
>>>
>>> Thanks, got it.
>>>
>>> ...Looks like I was right after all.
>>>
>>> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>>> be?)
>>>
>>> After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>>> car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>>> fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>>> that one particular part so onerous?
>>>
>>> ...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>>> product liability?
>>
>> Not sure what the "book" rate for it might be. But after doing it a couple
>> of times on my '00 TL, I can say that you have to take a beer break in the
>> middle of the job to stretch it to a half hour.
>
> Looking at http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=43307 it
> appears it will take a half-hour just to label all the screws...
>
> What's your tip?
>
Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
box itself - one screw in the damper piston on the right side, two on the
bottom holding the hinges, and the stoppers on the sides of the box slide
forward and pop out.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <BDE0B5AF.B43E7%e52.meyer@ieee.org>,
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> > What's your tip?
> >
> Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
> have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
> box itself

Nope. On the Accord, you have to remove the dash panel as well.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <BDE0B5AF.B43E7%e52.meyer@ieee.org>,
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer@ieee.org> wrote:

> > What's your tip?
> >
> Those pictures show how to take that whole side of the dash off. All you
> have to do (at least on the TL of the same generation) is take out the glove
> box itself

Nope. On the Accord, you have to remove the dash panel as well.

Brian Smith

"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote in message
news:6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com...
>
> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
> be?)

The dealer that I deal with charges .5 hour for the job. Well worth it in my
opinion.

Brian

Brian Smith

"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote in message
news:6q0kr0l2iipie91pnvnne29n84692k23m9@4ax.com...
>
> Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
> be?)

The dealer that I deal with charges .5 hour for the job. Well worth it in my
opinion.

Brian

chip

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:28:14 GMT, Harold Adrian Russell Philby
<home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>_"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>
>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>
>>Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>
>>Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>directions.
>
>Thanks, got it.
>
>...Looks like I was right after all.
>
>Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>be?)
>
>After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>that one particular part so onerous?
>
>...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>product liability?


it's a 10 minute job at best.
Chip

chip

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:28:14 GMT, Harold Adrian Russell Philby
<home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:57:44 -0700, "motsco_ _" <"motsco_
>_"@interbaun.com> wrote:
>>Harold Adrain Russell Philby wrote:
>>> The manual for my newly acquired '99 Accord describes replacing every
>>> maintenance item but directs an owner to have Honda only replace the
>>> A/C (ventilation) filter: Why?
>>>
>>> Is it a situation like the Alfa 105series heater core: They laid that
>>> one part down and built the car around it?
>>
>>Read the post above about 'Odyssey A/C filter'
>>
>>Same drill, basically. Do a google search and you'll find the full
>>directions.
>
>Thanks, got it.
>
>...Looks like I was right after all.
>
>Looks like a three hour job? (Any idea what the Honda book rate night
>be?)
>
>After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
>car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
>fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
>that one particular part so onerous?
>
>...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
>product liability?


it's a 10 minute job at best.
Chip

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <6ahpr0tgrrqnfkee3dtal9oqfdssio1ous@4ax.com>,
chip <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote:

> >After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
> >car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
> >fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
> >that one particular part so onerous?
> >
> >...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
> >product liability?
>
>
> it's a 10 minute job at best.
> Chip

.....once you've done a couple of them.

First time, without any help? It takes more than it should.

At least VW knew to put the filter at the air intake under the hood,
where (a) outside air that needs to be filtered comes in, and (b) you
can GET to the stupid thing.

For years, we did without. Mercedes started using them in the mid-80's
as a marketing-luxury thing. Now it's a necessity?

Take it out and leave it out, I say.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <6ahpr0tgrrqnfkee3dtal9oqfdssio1ous@4ax.com>,
chip <hs4797@brevard.net> wrote:

> >After reviewing the manual it appears *every* other consumable in this
> >car can be serviced and maintained by a monkey with strong
> >fingernails: Do you have any idea why Honda made the servicing of
> >that one particular part so onerous?
> >
> >...Perhaps a corporate pettifogger with a distorted understanding of
> >product liability?
>
>
> it's a 10 minute job at best.
> Chip

.....once you've done a couple of them.

First time, without any help? It takes more than it should.

At least VW knew to put the filter at the air intake under the hood,
where (a) outside air that needs to be filtered comes in, and (b) you
can GET to the stupid thing.

For years, we did without. Mercedes started using them in the mid-80's
as a marketing-luxury thing. Now it's a necessity?

Take it out and leave it out, I say.

Michael Pardee

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-B6BB1E.18230612122004@text.usenetserver.com...
> For years, we did without. Mercedes started using them in the mid-80's
> as a marketing-luxury thing. Now it's a necessity?
>
> Take it out and leave it out, I say.
>
At least one manufacturer discovered the hard way they were necessary, under
some conditions. Volvo introduced the 850 model in 1992 (IIRC) and soon had
serious reliability problems. A/C evaporators were failing at an astonishing
rate, with pinholes appearing in them. At about $2000 to replace the
evaporator, customers were becoming disgruntled. It was also costing a
fortune in warranty repairs, so something had to be done. The cause was
traced to normal condensation on the evaporator turning pollen and dust into
a paste that caused cavities in the evaporator. Adding a pollen filter cured
the problem.

Mike

Michael Pardee

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-B6BB1E.18230612122004@text.usenetserver.com...
> For years, we did without. Mercedes started using them in the mid-80's
> as a marketing-luxury thing. Now it's a necessity?
>
> Take it out and leave it out, I say.
>
At least one manufacturer discovered the hard way they were necessary, under
some conditions. Volvo introduced the 850 model in 1992 (IIRC) and soon had
serious reliability problems. A/C evaporators were failing at an astonishing
rate, with pinholes appearing in them. At about $2000 to replace the
evaporator, customers were becoming disgruntled. It was also costing a
fortune in warranty repairs, so something had to be done. The cause was
traced to normal condensation on the evaporator turning pollen and dust into
a paste that caused cavities in the evaporator. Adding a pollen filter cured
the problem.

Mike