Where is my oil disappearing to?
#106
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Re: Where is my oil disappearing to? (UPDATE)
On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
<jason@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>> drive in 18 months.
>>
>> Be
>>
>
> Be,
> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
> Jason
I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
miles driven when I add the next quart.
I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
Thanks!
Be
===============================
OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
Be
jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
<jason@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>> drive in 18 months.
>>
>> Be
>>
>
> Be,
> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
> Jason
I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
miles driven when I add the next quart.
I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
Thanks!
Be
===============================
OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
Be
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Re: Where is my oil disappearing to? (UPDATE)
On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
#108
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Re: Where is my oil disappearing to? (UPDATE)
On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
#109
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Re: Where is my oil disappearing to? (UPDATE)
On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
wrote:
>On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net, "Jason"
><jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>
>>> Be
>>>
>>
>> Be,
>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>> Jason
>
>I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>miles driven when I add the next quart.
>
>I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>
>Thanks!
>Be
>
>===============================
>
>OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>
>Be
That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
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Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is my oildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com,
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
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Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is my oildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com,
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
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Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is my oildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
On 5/28/06 5:03 PM, in article 8g7k72927bc1unje5cb8oe4hvp79qe1oja@4ax.com,
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 17:10:10 GMT, BE <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/06 12:26 PM, in article
>> jason-2404061026550001@66-52-22-63.l...ia.impulse.net, "Jason"
>> <jason@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <C071962A.4B2E4%n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net>, BE
>>> <n3wsr3ad3r_|@|_sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do I drive in a couple months? Well, here's the math. The car is
>>>> one-owner and has been mine for 58 months. It has 41000 miles. That's a
>>>> shade less than 707 miles per month.... Not an amount that should scare me
>>>> into checking it weekly, at least not (in my opinion) when a car with
>>>> Honda's good reputation behind it has less miles on it than some people
>>>> drive in 18 months.
>>>>
>>>> Be
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be,
>>> It's my guess that the the rings are starting to wear. A compression check
>>> during the next scheduled oil change service should reveal any serious
>>> problems related to the rings. You may also want to have a tune-up in case
>>> the valves, timing, etc need to be adjusted. If you have a oil change and
>>> the oil becomes black within two weeks--that could be a sign of a bad head
>>> gasket. I advise you to check the oil about once a week in order to check
>>> the level and the color of the oil. Keep a record of the results.
>>> Jason
>>
>> I checked the oil again Saturday and had to add another quart to bring it to
>> full. I took note of the mileage and will be ready with a hard number of
>> miles driven when I add the next quart.
>>
>> I think the advice here has been valuable and suspect the rings problem now
>> due to the input given. I'll let you all know how this turns out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Be
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> OK - here is what I found. I filled the oil to full and took an odometer
>> reading. Some three weeks [667 miles] later, I needed to add 3/4 of a quart
>> to bring it back to full again. You could extrapolate that out to say that
>> for every 900 miles a quart is being consumed.
>>
>> Be
>
> That's a problem. File a warranty claim.
>
Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their spec.
They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service center
do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles, letting the
engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail when I'm in it
with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty doesn't obligate me to
top it off between oil changes.
Be
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BE wrote:
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
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BE wrote:
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
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BE wrote:
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
My warranty doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
--------------------------------
Hmmmmmmm. Careful . . . . Even lawyers can read the Owner's Manual.
'Curly'
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BE wrote:
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
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Re: Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is myoildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
BE wrote:
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
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BE wrote:
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
>
> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>
> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
customer relations.
http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
Eric
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Re: Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is myoildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
On 5/31/06 2:02 AM, in article 447D3F95.8F55E481@spam.now, "Eric"
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>>
>> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
>> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
>> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
>> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
>> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
>> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>>
>> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
>> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
>> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
>> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
>> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
>
> That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
> quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
> going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
> problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
>
> You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
> would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
> and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
> of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
> e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
> Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
> customer relations.
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
>
> Eric
That toll free number is what I called yesterday (see above) and where I got
the party line on 1000 miles / per quart being OK to lose.
Be
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>>
>> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
>> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
>> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
>> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
>> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
>> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>>
>> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
>> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
>> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
>> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
>> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
>
> That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
> quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
> going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
> problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
>
> You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
> would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
> and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
> of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
> e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
> Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
> customer relations.
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
>
> Eric
That toll free number is what I called yesterday (see above) and where I got
the party line on 1000 miles / per quart being OK to lose.
Be
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Re: Honda is giving me the runaround [was: Re: Where is myoildisappearing to? (UPDATE)]
On 5/31/06 2:02 AM, in article 447D3F95.8F55E481@spam.now, "Eric"
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>>
>> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
>> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
>> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
>> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
>> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
>> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>>
>> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
>> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
>> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
>> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
>> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
>
> That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
> quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
> going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
> problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
>
> You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
> would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
> and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
> of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
> e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
> Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
> customer relations.
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
>
> Eric
That toll free number is what I called yesterday (see above) and where I got
the party line on 1000 miles / per quart being OK to lose.
Be
<say.no@spam.now> wrote:
> BE wrote:
>>
>> Took it to the Honda dealer today. The service rep claims that what I am
>> experiencing is 'normal' oil consumption. He cites some technical bulletin
>> written in 1988 that gives validity to the notion that a quart of oil lost
>> every 1000 miles is normal. I just spoke to Honda at their toll-free
>> customer service number and they are also claiming that this is their
>> spec. They are not willing to open the engine unless I foot the bill.
>>
>> What to do now? My inclination is to let an authorized Honda service
>> center do an oil change and not add any oil for the next 3500 miles,
>> letting the engine burn up. I only hope that it doesn't choose to fail
>> when I'm in it with the family on a tall highway bridge. My warranty
>> doesn't obligate me to top it off between oil changes.
>
> That's funny. My '88 Civic with 244,800 miles on it uses less than 0.25
> quarts in 3000 miles. Moreover, a service bulletin written in 1988 is not
> going to be applicable to a newer car. How could they have known what
> problems a 2005 model, for example, was going to have in 1988?!?!?
>
> You may need to get someone to be your advocate and deal with Honda. I
> would take your car to a well respected independent Honda shop in your area
> and have them change the oil and then document the consumption (and absence
> of leaks). Then have them deal with Honda for you if they are willing,
> e.g., you've been or will be a good customer of that particular shop.
> Moreover, sometimes it's best to skip the dealer and go direct to Honda's
> customer relations.
>
> http://automobiles.honda.com/info/cu...ons.asp?bhjs=0
>
> Eric
That toll free number is what I called yesterday (see above) and where I got
the party line on 1000 miles / per quart being OK to lose.
Be