Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

In article <qdb5d.31202$Si.29776@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Yes. Well, if you look at the message I typed, I was responding to
> Elmo. He has some unusual ideas at times, but he's not an idiot, so I
> figured that perhaps he had misread your message and thought that you
> were saying the opposite of what you were actually saying.

Upon re-reading the original post, I do believe that was the case, yes.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:09 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>> So, if your car has been sitting in the sun, start with
>> "fresh" until the inside air is at the same temperature as the outside
>> air. Then switch to "recirc" until it gets comfortably cool inside. From
>> this point on, keeping it in "recirc" will give you the best fuel
>> economy,
>
>Say what? It takes less gas to have the AC in recirc mode vs. fresh air
>mode? I'd like to see the data that supports this assertion.

You get better fuel economy on recirculate. On a long highway journey
with the cruise on and nothing else to do, I timed the time the
compressor was ON/OFF while on recirculate and while on fresh. It was
ON for about 30 seconds on Recirc but more than a minute on Fresh (the
car's interior had already cooled down completely). Also, OFF times
were higher for recirc but don't remember them.

If it's extremely humid outside I would expect the compressor to stay
ON all the time on fresh. Air "quality" (temperature? humidity?) is
always better on fresh instead of hours on recirculate.

Bye,
Leon

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:09 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
wrote:

>> So, if your car has been sitting in the sun, start with
>> "fresh" until the inside air is at the same temperature as the outside
>> air. Then switch to "recirc" until it gets comfortably cool inside. From
>> this point on, keeping it in "recirc" will give you the best fuel
>> economy,
>
>Say what? It takes less gas to have the AC in recirc mode vs. fresh air
>mode? I'd like to see the data that supports this assertion.

You get better fuel economy on recirculate. On a long highway journey
with the cruise on and nothing else to do, I timed the time the
compressor was ON/OFF while on recirculate and while on fresh. It was
ON for about 30 seconds on Recirc but more than a minute on Fresh (the
car's interior had already cooled down completely). Also, OFF times
were higher for recirc but don't remember them.

If it's extremely humid outside I would expect the compressor to stay
ON all the time on fresh. Air "quality" (temperature? humidity?) is
always better on fresh instead of hours on recirculate.

Bye,
Leon

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On 9/25/04 4:52 AM, in article qdb5d.31202$Si.29776@tornado.tampabay.rr.com,
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 9/24/2004 9:26 AM E. Meyer spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On 9/24/04 6:57 AM, in article
>> zYT4d.54592$uN5.18482@tornado.tampabay.rr.com, "Dave Kelsen"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2004 10:52 AM Elmo P. Shagnasty spake these words of knowledge:
>>>
>>>> In article <BD784BA3.9E7B9%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
>>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Start in recirc and then switch to fresh after temp stabilization.
>>>>>> 2. Start in fresh and then switch to recirc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think 2 is more intuitive and that's what I do!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see why there should be a "camp". Get out your thermometer and a
>>>>> stop watch and try it both ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be willing to bet that number one will win, and is, in fact, the
>>>>> recommended procedure in every owner's manual I have seen in the past 15
>>>>> years or more.
>>>>
>>>> It is not the recommended procedure in any owner's manual I've seen in
>>>> the last 15 years, and I will take your bet.
>>>
>>> You don't read much, apparently. Or you have misread what was said
>>> above. Look again.
>>>
>>>
>>> RFT!!!
>>> Dave Kelsen
>>
>>
>> What does "RFT!!!" mean?
>
> It means "Roll Tide" (the teams of the athletic department of the
> University of Alabama).
>
>
>> Well, I double checked the manuals for the 15 years of cars my immediate
>> family currently uses. The '91 240SX, '96 I30, '96 Odyssey, '97 I30t, '98
>> Maxima, and '02 Pathfinder all say what I said they say.
>
> Yes. Well, if you look at the message I typed, I was responding to
> Elmo. He has some unusual ideas at times, but he's not an idiot, so I
> figured that perhaps he had misread your message and thought that you
> were saying the opposite of what you were actually saying. Sorta like
> you just thought about my message.
>
> I agree with you, and so do the manuals of my automobiles.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago when
he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone who
had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light. Apparently
my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On 9/25/04 4:52 AM, in article qdb5d.31202$Si.29776@tornado.tampabay.rr.com,
"Dave Kelsen" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 9/24/2004 9:26 AM E. Meyer spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On 9/24/04 6:57 AM, in article
>> zYT4d.54592$uN5.18482@tornado.tampabay.rr.com, "Dave Kelsen"
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/23/2004 10:52 AM Elmo P. Shagnasty spake these words of knowledge:
>>>
>>>> In article <BD784BA3.9E7B9%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
>>>> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Start in recirc and then switch to fresh after temp stabilization.
>>>>>> 2. Start in fresh and then switch to recirc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think 2 is more intuitive and that's what I do!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see why there should be a "camp". Get out your thermometer and a
>>>>> stop watch and try it both ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be willing to bet that number one will win, and is, in fact, the
>>>>> recommended procedure in every owner's manual I have seen in the past 15
>>>>> years or more.
>>>>
>>>> It is not the recommended procedure in any owner's manual I've seen in
>>>> the last 15 years, and I will take your bet.
>>>
>>> You don't read much, apparently. Or you have misread what was said
>>> above. Look again.
>>>
>>>
>>> RFT!!!
>>> Dave Kelsen
>>
>>
>> What does "RFT!!!" mean?
>
> It means "Roll Tide" (the teams of the athletic department of the
> University of Alabama).
>
>
>> Well, I double checked the manuals for the 15 years of cars my immediate
>> family currently uses. The '91 240SX, '96 I30, '96 Odyssey, '97 I30t, '98
>> Maxima, and '02 Pathfinder all say what I said they say.
>
> Yes. Well, if you look at the message I typed, I was responding to
> Elmo. He has some unusual ideas at times, but he's not an idiot, so I
> figured that perhaps he had misread your message and thought that you
> were saying the opposite of what you were actually saying. Sorta like
> you just thought about my message.
>
> I agree with you, and so do the manuals of my automobiles.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago when
he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone who
had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light. Apparently
my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On 9/25/04 2:03 PM, in article 1n8bl0h7gm5tq45kkgalo2q4dnsrl1i8qv@4ax.com,
"Leon" <Curb_Weight_69@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:09 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>>> So, if your car has been sitting in the sun, start with
>>> "fresh" until the inside air is at the same temperature as the outside
>>> air. Then switch to "recirc" until it gets comfortably cool inside. From
>>> this point on, keeping it in "recirc" will give you the best fuel
>>> economy,
>>
>> Say what? It takes less gas to have the AC in recirc mode vs. fresh air
>> mode? I'd like to see the data that supports this assertion.
>
> You get better fuel economy on recirculate. On a long highway journey
> with the cruise on and nothing else to do, I timed the time the
> compressor was ON/OFF while on recirculate and while on fresh. It was
> ON for about 30 seconds on Recirc but more than a minute on Fresh (the
> car's interior had already cooled down completely). Also, OFF times
> were higher for recirc but don't remember them.
>
> If it's extremely humid outside I would expect the compressor to stay
> ON all the time on fresh. Air "quality" (temperature? humidity?) is
> always better on fresh instead of hours on recirculate.
>
> Bye,
> Leon

This sounds like an experiment I need to try on the trip to Houston next
week.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

On 9/25/04 2:03 PM, in article 1n8bl0h7gm5tq45kkgalo2q4dnsrl1i8qv@4ax.com,
"Leon" <Curb_Weight_69@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:59:09 GMT, "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>>> So, if your car has been sitting in the sun, start with
>>> "fresh" until the inside air is at the same temperature as the outside
>>> air. Then switch to "recirc" until it gets comfortably cool inside. From
>>> this point on, keeping it in "recirc" will give you the best fuel
>>> economy,
>>
>> Say what? It takes less gas to have the AC in recirc mode vs. fresh air
>> mode? I'd like to see the data that supports this assertion.
>
> You get better fuel economy on recirculate. On a long highway journey
> with the cruise on and nothing else to do, I timed the time the
> compressor was ON/OFF while on recirculate and while on fresh. It was
> ON for about 30 seconds on Recirc but more than a minute on Fresh (the
> car's interior had already cooled down completely). Also, OFF times
> were higher for recirc but don't remember them.
>
> If it's extremely humid outside I would expect the compressor to stay
> ON all the time on fresh. Air "quality" (temperature? humidity?) is
> always better on fresh instead of hours on recirculate.
>
> Bye,
> Leon

This sounds like an experiment I need to try on the trip to Houston next
week.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

In article <BD7B6693.9EE39%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:

> Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago when
> he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone who
> had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light. Apparently
> my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.

Ooooooo. <snort>

Obviously, you have no sense of reality.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

In article <BD7B6693.9EE39%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
"E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:

> Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago when
> he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone who
> had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light. Apparently
> my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.

Ooooooo. <snort>

Obviously, you have no sense of reality.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-80CB5B.22150925092004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <BD7B6693.9EE39%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago
>> when
>> he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone
>> who
>> had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light.
>> Apparently
>> my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.
>
> Ooooooo. <snort>
>
> Obviously, you have no sense of reality.

Says you.
*You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-80CB5B.22150925092004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <BD7B6693.9EE39%e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org>,
> "E. Meyer" <e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry. I missed Elmo completely - he went into my kill file a year ago
>> when
>> he was advocating feeding false and possibly dangerous answers to anyone
>> who
>> had the audacity to ask how to turn off the maintenance light.
>> Apparently
>> my news reader is doing a good job of filtering him out.
>
> Ooooooo. <snort>
>
> Obviously, you have no sense of reality.

Says you.
*You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

In article <vcidncUxm6wTp8vcRVn-gg@rogers.com>,
"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote:

> *You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!

no, I'm replying to someone who SAYS he has me killfiled.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

In article <vcidncUxm6wTp8vcRVn-gg@rogers.com>,
"Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote:

> *You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!

no, I'm replying to someone who SAYS he has me killfiled.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-2F95AE.07395326092004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <vcidncUxm6wTp8vcRVn-gg@rogers.com>,
> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> *You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!
>
> no, I'm replying to someone who SAYS he has me killfiled.

Touche.

Re: Why do vents default to outside air?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-2F95AE.07395326092004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <vcidncUxm6wTp8vcRVn-gg@rogers.com>,
> "Steve Bigelow" <stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> *You're* replying to someone you know has you killfiled!
>
> no, I'm replying to someone who SAYS he has me killfiled.

Touche.