Blue Flash

I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've last
looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it doesn't every
respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!

Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug torque
for the 2002 Elantra GT?

Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at about
13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the old plugs
back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad. Replace one
plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again. Old plugs back
in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you just can't replace
plugs in one of these...

The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924.... supposed
to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the entire set of new
plugs be bad?

BTW, I have just over 60K on the plugs (yes, I'm looking at getting it to
the shop for a new timing belt in the next few weeks.... )
--
- Steve

Jody

Buy NGK plugs, you will see a Big difference....
"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11bujrqin4fdf2@corp.supernews.com...
>I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've last
>looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it doesn't every
>respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!
>
> Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug torque
> for the 2002 Elantra GT?
>
> Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at
> about 13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the old
> plugs back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad.
> Replace one plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again.
> Old plugs back in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you just
> can't replace plugs in one of these...
>
> The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924.... supposed
> to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the entire set of
> new plugs be bad?
>
> BTW, I have just over 60K on the plugs (yes, I'm looking at getting it to
> the shop for a new timing belt in the next few weeks.... )
> --
> - Steve
>
>

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've last
> looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it doesn't every
> respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!

If you don't get an initial response, use the "lost password" function
and it WILL respond. That's what I had to do.

> Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug torque
> for the 2002 Elantra GT?
>
> Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at about
> 13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the old plugs
> back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad. Replace one
> plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again. Old plugs back
> in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you just can't replace
> plugs in one of these...
>
> The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924.... supposed
> to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the entire set of new
> plugs be bad?

Not likely, but they could just be the wrong heat range, protrusion,
etc. NGK's seem to be the most popular plugs, but you could also simply
replace the originals with the same thing.

Blue Flash

Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.

As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
make a better plug, but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it
run. Just as a second look though, all the dimensions match up, so I would
have expected, based on the compatibility chart, that they would be for all
practical purposes the same plug, just a different name.... (Champions vs
Autolite, that is). I'll go down to the parts store and cough up the $$ for
real plugs.

Thanks again!

- Steve

--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:54Sve.4418$Bn6.4093@trndny08...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've
>> last looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it
>> doesn't every respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!
>
> If you don't get an initial response, use the "lost password" function and
> it WILL respond. That's what I had to do.
>
>> Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug torque
>> for the 2002 Elantra GT?
>>
>> Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at
>> about 13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the old
>> plugs back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad.
>> Replace one plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again.
>> Old plugs back in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you just
>> can't replace plugs in one of these...
>>
>> The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924....
>> supposed to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the entire
>> set of new plugs be bad?
>
> Not likely, but they could just be the wrong heat range, protrusion, etc.
> NGK's seem to be the most popular plugs, but you could also simply replace
> the originals with the same thing.

Jody

any hyundai dealer ive been too recommends ngk plugs only, our accent runs
the best with the also.

"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11c13c4n2s1sm8f@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>
> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
> make a better plug, but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make
> it run. Just as a second look though, all the dimensions match up, so I
> would have expected, based on the compatibility chart, that they would be
> for all practical purposes the same plug, just a different name....
> (Champions vs Autolite, that is). I'll go down to the parts store and
> cough up the $$ for real plugs.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> - Steve
>
> --
> - Steve
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:54Sve.4418$Bn6.4093@trndny08...
>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>> I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've
>>> last looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it
>>> doesn't every respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!
>>
>> If you don't get an initial response, use the "lost password" function
>> and it WILL respond. That's what I had to do.
>>
>>> Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug
>>> torque for the 2002 Elantra GT?
>>>
>>> Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at
>>> about 13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the old
>>> plugs back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad.
>>> Replace one plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again.
>>> Old plugs back in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you just
>>> can't replace plugs in one of these...
>>>
>>> The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924....
>>> supposed to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the
>>> entire set of new plugs be bad?
>>
>> Not likely, but they could just be the wrong heat range, protrusion, etc.
>> NGK's seem to be the most popular plugs, but you could also simply
>> replace the originals with the same thing.
>
>

Blue Flash

Yeah, I understand that.... I've been riding rice rockets for 30 years
now... wouldn't put anything but NGKs or NDs in them..... my FZ1 has NGKs in
it..... but cars typically aren't quite as finicky. The Fizzer is my baby,
the car is mostly just my work car. However, my problem wasn't that they
didn't last as long or my mileage wasn't as good, or maybe the overall
acceleration wasn't too good.

The car continuously sputtered and backfired.... i.e., for all intensive
purposes, it wouldn't run AT ALL..... It simply wasn't driveable.... That's
what amazed me!

--
- Steve

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hR0we.4494$mK5.278135@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> any hyundai dealer ive been too recommends ngk plugs only, our accent runs
> the best with the also.
>
> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:11c13c4n2s1sm8f@corp.supernews.com...
>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>
>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
>> make a better plug, but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make
>> it run. Just as a second look though, all the dimensions match up, so I
>> would have expected, based on the compatibility chart, that they would be
>> for all practical purposes the same plug, just a different name....
>> (Champions vs Autolite, that is). I'll go down to the parts store and
>> cough up the $$ for real plugs.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> --
>> - Steve
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:54Sve.4418$Bn6.4093@trndny08...
>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>> I would normally go to the Hyundai tech site for this, but since I've
>>>> last looked, it seems to insist that I register first, and then it
>>>> doesn't every respond with the email that it promises me... COOL!
>>>
>>> If you don't get an initial response, use the "lost password" function
>>> and it WILL respond. That's what I had to do.
>>>
>>>> Anyway, I have a couple questions. What is the correct spark plug
>>>> torque for the 2002 Elantra GT?
>>>>
>>>> Second, Using a guess at the torque, I installed a new set of plugs at
>>>> about 13.8 lb-ft, and the car now sputters and backfires. I put the
>>>> old plugs back in, slight hesitation at idle, but not running that bad.
>>>> Replace one plug, slight hint of a sputter. 2 plugs, backfires again.
>>>> Old plugs back in, runs as before. I'm beginning to think that you
>>>> just can't replace plugs in one of these...
>>>>
>>>> The replacement plugs I'm using are Autolite Platinum AP 3924....
>>>> supposed to be the right size... what's up with this??? Could the
>>>> entire set of new plugs be bad?
>>>
>>> Not likely, but they could just be the wrong heat range, protrusion,
>>> etc. NGK's seem to be the most popular plugs, but you could also simply
>>> replace the originals with the same thing.
>>
>>
>
>

Brian Nystrom

Blue Flash wrote:
> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>
> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
> make a better plug,

Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts on
most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper plugs
are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance within
their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or iridium
plugs if you want longer life with good performance.

> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.

I agree, but that's apparently not the case.

Blue Flash

Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience with
Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will last around
5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am intimately
familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I wasn't at my
local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind" replacement for the
originally spec'd plugs.

My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug with
the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they just didn't
last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss, ok... backfires
and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you follow me there. My
car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion platinums. Apparently NGKs
weren't spec'd for it.

As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such a
tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not the
issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the copper
cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the corresponding plug, and
supposedly of comparable quality to the originals.... and for all intensive
purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with the new plugs (yes, I gapped them to spec
also). Higher performance is irrelevant. ZERO performance is a problem. I
was just inquiring to see if anybody had experienced the same situation, or
had an idea what was going on.... kind of a learning thing. I think the
answer is "No."

By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally got
in... Thanks!
--
- Steve

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
> Blue Flash wrote:
>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>
>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
>> make a better plug,
>
> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts on
> most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper plugs are
> inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance within their
> lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or iridium plugs if
> you want longer life with good performance.
>
>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>
> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.

Jody

try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any idea what
the irridium's are like?
apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience with
> Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will last
> around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am
> intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I
> wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind" replacement
> for the originally spec'd plugs.
>
> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug with
> the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they just didn't
> last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss, ok... backfires
> and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you follow me there. My
> car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion platinums. Apparently
> NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>
> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such a
> tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not the
> issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the copper
> cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the corresponding plug,
> and supposedly of comparable quality to the originals.... and for all
> intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with the new plugs (yes, I gapped
> them to spec also). Higher performance is irrelevant. ZERO performance
> is a problem. I was just inquiring to see if anybody had experienced the
> same situation, or had an idea what was going on.... kind of a learning
> thing. I think the answer is "No."
>
> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally got
> in... Thanks!
> --
> - Steve
>
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>
>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know they
>>> make a better plug,
>>
>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts on
>> most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper plugs are
>> inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance within their
>> lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or iridium plugs if
>> you want longer life with good performance.
>>
>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>
>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>
>

Blue Flash

For all the bikes I've had (9), all of them ran on NGKs.... and they seemed
to work really well. I've used NDs as well, and never really could tell a
difference between them and NGKs. Back in the early 70s when it was 400hp
V8s, I had just as good of luck with Champions as anything else. I'm not
sure what my new bike runs, but I know they're NGKs. The current plugs in
the Hyundai are Champions, and have 60K miles on em. they're pretty burnt,
but I've only recently seen a drop of a couple mpg .... which is why I'm
replacing them. the electrodes are getting pretty round... they've run
their course.

The iridiums might work a little better for you, but I'd be surprised if you
really noticed a difference. On my old bikes, I could never tell the
difference in how a bike ran, and never really could see a difference in
mileage. For the two strokes, though, the Champions fouled a lot easier,
and wouldn't last anywhere near as long as an NGK.... That was the big
difference. If the plugs you're using right now are working well for you,
I'd stick with them. They're good plugs. You might try the Iridiums and
see if they last longer... but it sounds like you've got a pretty good plug
as it is...

On the other hand, there's the old engineering saying.... It it ain't
broke, it just doesn't have enough features yet! :-)

--
- Steve

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7Lmwe.1868$Ai.350338@news20.bellglobal.com...
> try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
> seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
> same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
> when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any idea
> what the irridium's are like?
> apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience
>> with Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will
>> last around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am
>> intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I
>> wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind" replacement
>> for the originally spec'd plugs.
>>
>> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug with
>> the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they just
>> didn't last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss, ok...
>> backfires and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you follow me
>> there. My car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion platinums.
>> Apparently NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>>
>> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such a
>> tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not the
>> issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the copper
>> cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the corresponding plug,
>> and supposedly of comparable quality to the originals.... and for all
>> intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with the new plugs (yes, I gapped
>> them to spec also). Higher performance is irrelevant. ZERO performance
>> is a problem. I was just inquiring to see if anybody had experienced the
>> same situation, or had an idea what was going on.... kind of a learning
>> thing. I think the answer is "No."
>>
>> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally
>> got in... Thanks!
>> --
>> - Steve
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know
>>>> they make a better plug,
>>>
>>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts on
>>> most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper plugs
>>> are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance within
>>> their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or iridium
>>> plugs if you want longer life with good performance.
>>>
>>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>>
>>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>>
>>
>
>

Brian Nystrom

The bottom line is that the Autolites don't work, so why stress over it?
Unless you damaged a plug wire during the plug change or something, the
reason is irrellevent. Get new Champions or NGKs and get the car back on
the road.

Brian Nystrom

The advantage of platinum or iridium plugs is longer life (~60K and
100K, respectively). NGKs copper core plugs actually perform better, but
they have a much shorter life. Even if you replace them every 15K,
they're still cheaper in the long run than either of the higher-end plugs.

Jody

yeah I believe in the if it aint broke don't fix it.
the only reason ive told you about the ngk's is even on the Hyundai
connection (or what used to be) the techs mech said to ditch the stock
champions (and my dealer), unt makes me think then if there no good or good
for only short times. Hyundai's using the champs because there cheaper I
guess, just like the shitty tires they come with.

I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire management
systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower say bosch on it.
"Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:11c430a9ioc3q67@corp.supernews.com...
> For all the bikes I've had (9), all of them ran on NGKs.... and they
> seemed to work really well. I've used NDs as well, and never really could
> tell a difference between them and NGKs. Back in the early 70s when it
> was 400hp V8s, I had just as good of luck with Champions as anything else.
> I'm not sure what my new bike runs, but I know they're NGKs. The current
> plugs in the Hyundai are Champions, and have 60K miles on em. they're
> pretty burnt, but I've only recently seen a drop of a couple mpg ....
> which is why I'm replacing them. the electrodes are getting pretty
> round... they've run their course.
>
> The iridiums might work a little better for you, but I'd be surprised if
> you really noticed a difference. On my old bikes, I could never tell the
> difference in how a bike ran, and never really could see a difference in
> mileage. For the two strokes, though, the Champions fouled a lot easier,
> and wouldn't last anywhere near as long as an NGK.... That was the big
> difference. If the plugs you're using right now are working well for you,
> I'd stick with them. They're good plugs. You might try the Iridiums and
> see if they last longer... but it sounds like you've got a pretty good
> plug as it is...
>
> On the other hand, there's the old engineering saying.... It it ain't
> broke, it just doesn't have enough features yet! :-)
>
> --
> - Steve
>
> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7Lmwe.1868$Ai.350338@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
>> seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
>> same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
>> when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any idea
>> what the irridium's are like?
>> apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>> news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience
>>> with Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will
>>> last around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am
>>> intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I
>>> wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind"
>>> replacement for the originally spec'd plugs.
>>>
>>> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug
>>> with the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they just
>>> didn't last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss, ok...
>>> backfires and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you follow
>>> me there. My car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion
>>> platinums. Apparently NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>>>
>>> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such a
>>> tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not the
>>> issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the copper
>>> cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the corresponding plug,
>>> and supposedly of comparable quality to the originals.... and for all
>>> intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with the new plugs (yes, I
>>> gapped them to spec also). Higher performance is irrelevant. ZERO
>>> performance is a problem. I was just inquiring to see if anybody had
>>> experienced the same situation, or had an idea what was going on....
>>> kind of a learning thing. I think the answer is "No."
>>>
>>> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally
>>> got in... Thanks!
>>> --
>>> - Steve
>>>
>>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know
>>>>> they make a better plug,
>>>>
>>>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts on
>>>> most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper plugs
>>>> are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance within
>>>> their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or iridium
>>>> plugs if you want longer life with good performance.
>>>>
>>>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Blue Flash

Hey! You hit a hot button there!

With the Michelins, everytime I tried to take off on wet pavement, they
broke loose like they were on ice... I hated them. Replaced them with
Pirelli P3000s.... about 1/2 the price and they stick like glue on the wet
roads... love em! Although the tire cupping problem with the Elantras gets
attributed a lot to the tires, I ran these same Michelins on a Saturn (2
sets) for a total of about 145,000 miles (got 205K out of the Saturn). NO
cupping. I still think its a design flaw in the car, but we'll see how the
Pirellis wear.... The Michelins still sucked on wet roads, though.

On the spark plug side, though, the Champions should be fine. Mine went a
long way. Yes, NGK makes a better product, but then again, will they run
over 50K miles? I don't know... but I guess I'll find out. You can get
Champions and Autolites at Wally World as an afterthought (like I did) when
you're actually shopping for paper towels or something really lame....
around here, if you want NGKs, it's a special trip to the parts store....
but I'll be making the special trip. At least I'll know what I'm getting...
not sure what I got with the Autolites, but it's not good....
--
- Steve

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newsxowe.7876$mK5.524435@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> yeah I believe in the if it aint broke don't fix it.
> the only reason ive told you about the ngk's is even on the Hyundai
> connection (or what used to be) the techs mech said to ditch the stock
> champions (and my dealer), unt makes me think then if there no good or
> good for only short times. Hyundai's using the champs because there
> cheaper I guess, just like the shitty tires they come with.
>
> I've had good luck so far with the bosch.
> I figured how bad could the bosch's be considering the entire management
> systems by bosch, even the speed sensor on the shock tower say bosch on
> it.
> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:11c430a9ioc3q67@corp.supernews.com...
>> For all the bikes I've had (9), all of them ran on NGKs.... and they
>> seemed to work really well. I've used NDs as well, and never really
>> could tell a difference between them and NGKs. Back in the early 70s
>> when it was 400hp V8s, I had just as good of luck with Champions as
>> anything else. I'm not sure what my new bike runs, but I know they're
>> NGKs. The current plugs in the Hyundai are Champions, and have 60K miles
>> on em. they're pretty burnt, but I've only recently seen a drop of a
>> couple mpg .... which is why I'm replacing them. the electrodes are
>> getting pretty round... they've run their course.
>>
>> The iridiums might work a little better for you, but I'd be surprised if
>> you really noticed a difference. On my old bikes, I could never tell the
>> difference in how a bike ran, and never really could see a difference in
>> mileage. For the two strokes, though, the Champions fouled a lot easier,
>> and wouldn't last anywhere near as long as an NGK.... That was the big
>> difference. If the plugs you're using right now are working well for
>> you, I'd stick with them. They're good plugs. You might try the
>> Iridiums and see if they last longer... but it sounds like you've got a
>> pretty good plug as it is...
>>
>> On the other hand, there's the old engineering saying.... It it ain't
>> broke, it just doesn't have enough features yet! :-)
>>
>> --
>> - Steve
>>
>> "Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7Lmwe.1868$Ai.350338@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>> try bosch platniums, thats whats in our accent right now.
>>> seems good , been over 30 000 kms already on them.
>>> same as you, just werent near a ngk supplier..
>>> when time comes to replace Im going to use the ngks, do u have any idea
>>> what the irridium's are like?
>>> apparentely irridium is from meterorites..
>>> "Blue Flash" <bogus.address@cableone.net> wrote in message
>>> news:11c3m7895t1vla9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Hence, my question wasn't "what's a good plug." Though my experience
>>>> with Champions vs NGKs in my old 2 stroke bikes, I'd say the NGK will
>>>> last around 5 to 10 times longer. Significant difference there. I am
>>>> intimately familiar with NGKs. However, I thought about plugs when I
>>>> wasn't at my local NGK retailer, so I bought a "like-in-kind"
>>>> replacement for the originally spec'd plugs.
>>>>
>>>> My question was what's up with this? I change out a comparable plug
>>>> with the corresponding "equal," and it doesn't run at all. If they
>>>> just didn't last as long, or if my dyno tests showed a 0.005 hp loss,
>>>> ok... backfires and sputtering is a different deal completely, if you
>>>> follow me there. My car didn't come with NGKs, it came with Champion
>>>> platinums. Apparently NGKs weren't spec'd for it.
>>>>
>>>> As far as price goes, NGKs ARE more expensive. However, I'm not such a
>>>> tightwad that I can't spend an extra .50 to $1per plug... that's not
>>>> the issue. You won't find NGKs around here for 1..25, even the copper
>>>> cores.... The issue IS that the Autolites were the corresponding plug,
>>>> and supposedly of comparable quality to the originals.... and for all
>>>> intensive purposes, it won't RUN AT ALL with the new plugs (yes, I
>>>> gapped them to spec also). Higher performance is irrelevant. ZERO
>>>> performance is a problem. I was just inquiring to see if anybody had
>>>> experienced the same situation, or had an idea what was going on....
>>>> kind of a learning thing. I think the answer is "No."
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I tried the "forgot password" on the tech site and finally
>>>> got in... Thanks!
>>>> --
>>>> - Steve
>>>>
>>>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:HPbwe.13578$Q27.692@trndny02...
>>>>> Blue Flash wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks Brian, I'll give that a try on the tech site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the plugs go, Autolites are cheaper than NGKs, and I know
>>>>>> they make a better plug,
>>>>>
>>>>> Au contraire, NGK makes very good plugs. They're spec'd as OEM parts
>>>>> on most asian vehicles for a reason. Their standard V-Power copper
>>>>> plugs are inexpensive (~$1.25 each) and offer outstanding performance
>>>>> within their lifespan (~15-30K miles) or you can go with platinum or
>>>>> iridium plugs if you want longer life with good performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> but I would expect the "spec'd" plug to at least make it run.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, but that's apparently not the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jody

yeah was aware of that, platnium lasts longer but doesnt conduct
electricity as well ...
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ddowe.12656$fM6.7654@trndny04...
> The advantage of platinum or iridium plugs is longer life (~60K and 100K,
> respectively). NGKs copper core plugs actually perform better, but they
> have a much shorter life. Even if you replace them every 15K, they're
> still cheaper in the long run than either of the higher-end plugs.