Scot

I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks ago, I
brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer. During that time
they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors, plus two new tires. At the
time I told them not to do it, as I couldn't believe that I needed new
rotors and tires, the pads I could believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the
brakes sqeaking or anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a
repair shop (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking
a bit yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.

He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new front
pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked him about the
rotors and why they would need replacing too. He stated that they are using
extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and they don't withstand any abuse any
more.

It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?

Thanks,

Scott

Screwtape III

Scot wrote:

> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>
> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott

Scott,

Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
items unless your paying full price for them.

The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.


--

Screwtape III

Scot wrote:

> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>
> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott

Scott,

Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
items unless your paying full price for them.

The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.


--

Scot

"Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
> Scot wrote:
>
>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>
>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>
>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>
> Scott,
>
> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
> items unless your paying full price for them.
>
> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.


Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous Festiva
and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember - and I
think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to other
brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else to
explain it.

I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you buy
new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first time,
and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping down on
the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded at all???
Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning indicator pieces
of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting time to replace the
pads, isn't it?

With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer in
comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like the
material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving huge
sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side vanity
mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already come
un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean, this is a
car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't given me
much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting when
purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority and
other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.

Scott

Scot

"Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
> Scot wrote:
>
>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>
>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>
>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott
>
> Scott,
>
> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
> items unless your paying full price for them.
>
> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.


Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous Festiva
and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember - and I
think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to other
brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else to
explain it.

I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you buy
new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first time,
and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping down on
the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded at all???
Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning indicator pieces
of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting time to replace the
pads, isn't it?

With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer in
comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like the
material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving huge
sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side vanity
mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already come
un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean, this is a
car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't given me
much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting when
purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority and
other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.

Scott

Brian Nystrom

Scot wrote:

> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous Festiva
> and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember - and I
> think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to other
> brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else to
> explain it.
>
> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you buy
> new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first time,
> and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping down on
> the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded at all???
> Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning indicator pieces
> of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting time to replace the
> pads, isn't it?
>
> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer in
> comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like the
> material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving huge
> sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side vanity
> mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already come
> un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean, this is a
> car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't given me
> much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting when
> purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority and
> other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>
If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets
between the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in
the surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the
surface area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to
wear in to match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always
try to sell rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and
it's easy to people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that
it's typically not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple
of sets of pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of
warranty on brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or
resurfaced when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking
system is brought back to "factory specifications". It's basically just
an excuse to screw people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95
Brake Specials" turn into $400 repair bills.

If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.

You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts
and consumables.

Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes
to your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.

Brian Nystrom

Scot wrote:

> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous Festiva
> and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember - and I
> think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to other
> brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else to
> explain it.
>
> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you buy
> new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first time,
> and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping down on
> the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded at all???
> Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning indicator pieces
> of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting time to replace the
> pads, isn't it?
>
> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer in
> comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like the
> material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving huge
> sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side vanity
> mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already come
> un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean, this is a
> car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't given me
> much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting when
> purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority and
> other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>
If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets
between the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in
the surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the
surface area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to
wear in to match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always
try to sell rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and
it's easy to people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that
it's typically not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple
of sets of pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of
warranty on brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or
resurfaced when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking
system is brought back to "factory specifications". It's basically just
an excuse to screw people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95
Brake Specials" turn into $400 repair bills.

If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.

You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts
and consumables.

Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes
to your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.

end_is_near1

http://www.honda.com

"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
>> Scot wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>>
>>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>>
>>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
>> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
>> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
>> items unless your paying full price for them.
>>
>> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
>> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
>> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
>> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
>> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.
>
>
> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember -
> and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to
> other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else
> to explain it.
>
> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>
> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't
> given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting
> when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority
> and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>
> Scott
>

end_is_near1

http://www.honda.com

"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
>> Scot wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>>
>>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>>
>>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
>> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
>> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
>> items unless your paying full price for them.
>>
>> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
>> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
>> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
>> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
>> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.
>
>
> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can remember -
> and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose I'm used to
> other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not sure how else
> to explain it.
>
> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>
> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up hasn't
> given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was getting
> when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the minority
> and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>
> Scott
>

Matthew Rebbert

Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up. So unless
you plan to back your talk up, keep it to yourself.

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>
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>
> "Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
>>> Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>>>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>>>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>>>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>>>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>>>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>>>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>>>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>>>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>>>
>>>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>>>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>>>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>>>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>>>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>>>
>>>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>>>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>>>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>>>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
>>> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
>>> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
>>> items unless your paying full price for them.
>>>
>>> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
>>> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
>>> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
>>> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
>>> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.
>>
>>
>> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>> remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>> I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>> sure how else to explain it.
>>
>> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
>> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
>> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
>> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
>> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>
>> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
>> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
>> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
>> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
>> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
>> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
>> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
>> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
>> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up
>> hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was
>> getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the
>> minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
>

Matthew Rebbert

Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up. So unless
you plan to back your talk up, keep it to yourself.

"end_is_near1" <walter_bagehot@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f2of.3585$pE4.3326@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>
> http://www.honda.com
>
> "Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:11q0kbcdvit9vab@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Screwtape III" <gfy@bkbusa.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0eaz6su4rem9008@news.individual.net...
>>> Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks
>>>> ago, I brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer.
>>>> During that time they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors,
>>>> plus two new tires. At the time I told them not to do it, as I
>>>> couldn't believe that I needed new rotors and tires, the pads I could
>>>> believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard the brakes sqeaking or
>>>> anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in to a repair shop
>>>> (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were sqeaking a bit
>>>> yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>>>>
>>>> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new
>>>> front pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked
>>>> him about the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He
>>>> stated that they are using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and
>>>> they don't withstand any abuse any more.
>>>>
>>>> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need
>>>> new rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on
>>>> any car previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this
>>>> something to expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Unless the rotors have obvious grooves in them, they could probably be
>>> turned on a lathe at least once. However, due to labor costs it could
>>> well be cheaper to just replace them. New rotors are relatively cheap
>>> items unless your paying full price for them.
>>>
>>> The OEM tires are usually good for @35K miles, but if you haven't kept
>>> them rotated the ones on the front are probably worn out. Depending on
>>> where you live, you don't want to be driving on icy roads with nearly
>>> bald tires. Down here in Florida I'd just put the worn tires on the
>>> rear and keep driving until the wires are showing.
>>
>>
>> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>> remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>> I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>> sure how else to explain it.
>>
>> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
>> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
>> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
>> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
>> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>
>> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
>> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
>> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
>> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
>> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
>> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
>> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
>> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
>> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up
>> hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was
>> getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the
>> minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>
>

Scot

Comments in-line below.


"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
> Scot wrote:
>
>> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>> remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>> I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>> sure how else to explain it.
>>
>> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
>> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
>> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
>> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
>> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>
>> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
>> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
>> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
>> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
>> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
>> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
>> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
>> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
>> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up
>> hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was
>> getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the
>> minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>>
> If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
> miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
> like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
> it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
> when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will not
> be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
> hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
> the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
> surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
> area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
> match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
> rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
> people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
> not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of pads.
> Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on brake
> wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced when new
> pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought back to
> "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw people
> with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials" turn into
> $400 repair bills.

Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads is
normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of Boston
everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal, so I know
they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and you are
probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors because they can.
I just can't see how my tires are already done, just does not make sense to
me.

>
> If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
> yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that will
> take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.

I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil changes,
sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing with brakes
and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff then maybe your
car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if you do something
wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are talking serious
bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly sensitive to that piece,
but that has always been what has kept me from attempting those types of
jobs.

>
> You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer service
> may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of car. DIY
> maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect the
> warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the Maintenance Log
> at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and consumables.

I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car to
a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the 15,000
at an independant place. Since the transmission service was involved in
this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading so many "proper
transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried me that Hyundai
might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason the mechanic does not
use their "special" one.

>
> Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been covered
> under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to Hyundai.
> While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a responsibility
> to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to your car's
> warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so, you're setting
> yourself up to be taken advantage of.

The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty on
something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't think
things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing where
they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use cheap parts,
etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal with them".
Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a comment on
warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in a box, slap a
guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is a guaranteed
piece of sh*t."

This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular, maybe
other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car they have
ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at this time for
me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.

Scott

Scot

Comments in-line below.


"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
> Scot wrote:
>
>> Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>> Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>> remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>> I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>> sure how else to explain it.
>>
>> I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>> would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>> buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>> time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads clamping
>> down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they have grinded
>> at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is the warning
>> indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it is getting
>> time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>
>> With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the dealer
>> in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do things like
>> replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of wear, all
>> combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even things like
>> the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped away, leaving
>> huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my passengers side
>> vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side window has already
>> come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door one day. I mean,
>> this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!! Everything adding up
>> hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the "value" I thought I was
>> getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly hope that my car is in the
>> minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are not in a similar boat.
>>
> If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
> miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
> like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
> it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
> when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will not
> be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
> hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
> the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
> surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
> area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
> match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
> rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
> people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
> not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of pads.
> Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on brake
> wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced when new
> pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought back to
> "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw people
> with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials" turn into
> $400 repair bills.

Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads is
normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of Boston
everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal, so I know
they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and you are
probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors because they can.
I just can't see how my tires are already done, just does not make sense to
me.

>
> If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
> yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that will
> take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.

I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil changes,
sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing with brakes
and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff then maybe your
car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if you do something
wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are talking serious
bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly sensitive to that piece,
but that has always been what has kept me from attempting those types of
jobs.

>
> You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer service
> may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of car. DIY
> maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect the
> warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the Maintenance Log
> at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and consumables.

I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car to
a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the 15,000
at an independant place. Since the transmission service was involved in
this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading so many "proper
transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried me that Hyundai
might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason the mechanic does not
use their "special" one.

>
> Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been covered
> under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to Hyundai.
> While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a responsibility
> to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to your car's
> warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so, you're setting
> yourself up to be taken advantage of.

The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty on
something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't think
things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing where
they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use cheap parts,
etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal with them".
Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a comment on
warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in a box, slap a
guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is a guaranteed
piece of sh*t."

This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular, maybe
other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car they have
ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at this time for
me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.

Scott

BAin

I find that hard to believe, My car 2001 Elantra VE
changed my first set of pads @ 60,000 miles
then changed rotors and pads @ 120,000 miles.

I drive my car pretty hard, Hyundai makes a great breaking system.

Bain.,



"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:11q0c1t24ll9202@corp.supernews.com...
>I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks ago, I
>brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer. During that time
>they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors, plus two new tires. At
>the time I told them not to do it, as I couldn't believe that I needed new
>rotors and tires, the pads I could believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard
>the brakes sqeaking or anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in
>to a repair shop (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were
>sqeaking a bit yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>
> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new front
> pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked him about
> the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He stated that they are
> using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and they don't withstand any
> abuse any more.
>
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>

BAin

I find that hard to believe, My car 2001 Elantra VE
changed my first set of pads @ 60,000 miles
then changed rotors and pads @ 120,000 miles.

I drive my car pretty hard, Hyundai makes a great breaking system.

Bain.,



"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:11q0c1t24ll9202@corp.supernews.com...
>I have a 2004 Elantra with 30,500 miles on it. A couple of weeks ago, I
>brought it in for the 30,000 mile service to the dealer. During that time
>they told me I needed new brake pads and rotors, plus two new tires. At
>the time I told them not to do it, as I couldn't believe that I needed new
>rotors and tires, the pads I could believe. At any rate, I hadn't heard
>the brakes sqeaking or anything, until yesterday, so today I brought it in
>to a repair shop (not dealer). All I told him was that the brakes were
>sqeaking a bit yesterday, but I hadn't heard them this morning at all.
>
> He called and told me the same thing that Hyundai did, I needed new front
> pads and rotors - and my two tires were almost shot. I asked him about
> the rotors and why they would need replacing too. He stated that they are
> using extrememely cheap metal on the rotors and they don't withstand any
> abuse any more.
>
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>