'04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
#31
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
hyundaitech wrote:
> I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
This is one of those issues where a person doesn't have to be lying in
order to advise a customer to do unnecessary service. It's a judgement
call and many mechanics routinely replace rotors with brake jobs, just
to be safe. There may be a certain amount of CYA involved, too. This
doesn't make them dishonest, but it doesn't make the work necessary, either.
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
My point is that it's unlikely that his rotors are grooved enough to be
detrimental after going through only one set of brake pads, especially
if the pads are changed before they wear out completely and the base
plate contacts the rotors. Rotors always get grooved; it's normal and
unavoidable. However, as you said, there's no way to tell if Scot's
rotors really need replacement without seeing them.
> I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
This is one of those issues where a person doesn't have to be lying in
order to advise a customer to do unnecessary service. It's a judgement
call and many mechanics routinely replace rotors with brake jobs, just
to be safe. There may be a certain amount of CYA involved, too. This
doesn't make them dishonest, but it doesn't make the work necessary, either.
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
My point is that it's unlikely that his rotors are grooved enough to be
detrimental after going through only one set of brake pads, especially
if the pads are changed before they wear out completely and the base
plate contacts the rotors. Rotors always get grooved; it's normal and
unavoidable. However, as you said, there's no way to tell if Scot's
rotors really need replacement without seeing them.
#32
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Matthew Rebbert wrote:
> Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
> transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
> lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
> you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
> you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
> Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up.
Hyundai is currently rated almost dead even in quality with Toyota and
within spitting distance of Honda.
> Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
> transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
> lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
> you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
> you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
> Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up.
Hyundai is currently rated almost dead even in quality with Toyota and
within spitting distance of Honda.
#33
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Matthew Rebbert wrote:
> Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
> transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
> lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
> you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
> you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
> Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up.
Hyundai is currently rated almost dead even in quality with Toyota and
within spitting distance of Honda.
> Honda's got it's issues too guy. Odyssey's have a history of bad
> transmissions, problems with condensors (They are exposed wide open in the
> lower grill) and some other nagging issues. No car company is perfect, all
> you can do is try to increase the chances you will get a trouble free car,
> you can do that by looking at ratings from edmunds, Consumer reports, JD
> Power, and others. All of which have said Hyundai is coming up.
Hyundai is currently rated almost dead even in quality with Toyota and
within spitting distance of Honda.
#34
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Thanks for the tips and the reasoning on all of this, I actually had the
work done the original day that I posted - so I unfortunately can't check to
see what they look like, as they are the new ones now.
Scott
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:f439ae4cca31edaba08fb1530a43a4b7@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
>
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
work done the original day that I posted - so I unfortunately can't check to
see what they look like, as they are the new ones now.
Scott
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:f439ae4cca31edaba08fb1530a43a4b7@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
>
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
#35
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Thanks for the tips and the reasoning on all of this, I actually had the
work done the original day that I posted - so I unfortunately can't check to
see what they look like, as they are the new ones now.
Scott
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:f439ae4cca31edaba08fb1530a43a4b7@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
>
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
work done the original day that I posted - so I unfortunately can't check to
see what they look like, as they are the new ones now.
Scott
"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:f439ae4cca31edaba08fb1530a43a4b7@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I seriously doubt there's anything suspicious here. Both shops pretty much
> said the same thing, so it's highly unlikely either is lying to you.
>
> I disagree with Brian a bit about the grooving. Depending on the depth
> and number of the grooves, it can take quite a significant time for the
> pads to wear to contact all the grooved areas, in some cases thousands of
> miles. If the pads are only touching the rotors at the top parts of the
> grooves, then the contact area will be very small and your braking
> capabilities will be greatly reduced.
>
> If there are just a few small grooves, then that's really no big deal as
> long as the rotors haven't been scored by the metal backing plate of the
> pad. You would still have contact on most of the surface area of the pad
> and it would wear into the groove quickly.
>
> If you don't mind pulling the wheels off your car, have a look at your
> rotors for yourself. If they're ground up by the brake pads, you'll
> probably need to replace them. If they've got numerous or deep grooves,
> it's my opinion they should be resurfaced or replaced. If they've just
> got a few small grooves, hang the pads and let it eat.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
#36
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Thanks for all the info and opinions Brian. I was just venting a bit and
trying to figure some things out. I knew going in that I was buying an
economical car, and from all the research I did beforehand, I felt that
Hyundai had finally built a fairly strong reputation. The fact that it is
in the economy range of cars, I am not that shocked that things such as the
tires are not the same quality as say were on my Pathfinder. I still have 3
1/2 years of car payments, so I'm going to honestly try to keep an open mind
on this and go from there.
Thanks again,
Scott
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8Dyof.18664$b57.13149@trndny06...
> Scot wrote:
>> Comments in-line below.
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
>>
>>>Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>>>>Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>>>>remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>>>>I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>>>>sure how else to explain it.
>>>>
>>>>I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>>>>would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>>>>buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>>>>time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads
>>>>clamping down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they
>>>>have grinded at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is
>>>>the warning indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it
>>>>is getting time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the
>>>>dealer in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do
>>>>things like replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of
>>>>wear, all combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even
>>>>things like the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped
>>>>away, leaving huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my
>>>>passengers side vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side
>>>>window has already come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door
>>>>one day. I mean, this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!!
>>>>Everything adding up hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the
>>>>"value" I thought I was getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly
>>>>hope that my car is in the minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are
>>>>not in a similar boat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
>>>miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
>>>like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
>>>it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
>>>when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
>>>not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
>>>hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
>>>the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
>>>surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
>>>area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
>>>match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
>>>rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
>>>people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
>>>not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of
>>>pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on
>>>brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced
>>>when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought
>>>back to "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw
>>>people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials"
>>>turn into $400 repair bills.
>>
>>
>> Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads
>> is normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of
>> Boston everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal,
>> so I know they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and
>> you are probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors
>> because they can. I just can't see how my tires are already done, just
>> does not make sense to me.
>
> The same stop and go traffic that wears your brakes take a toll on your
> tires, too. The Michelins are not known for being especially durable, so
> your experience is not unusual or unexpected with these tires.
>
>>>If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
>>>yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
>>>will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.
>>
>>
>> I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil
>> changes, sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing
>> with brakes and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff
>> then maybe your car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if
>> you do something wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are
>> talking serious bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly
>> sensitive to that piece, but that has always been what has kept me from
>> attempting those types of jobs.
>
> That's your call, but it's pretty hard to mess up a basic brake job. If
> the pads aren't installed correctly and/or the pistons aren't pushed back,
> you can't reinstall the brake caliper. If everything goes together, it's
> fine.
>
>>>You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
>>>service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
>>>car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
>>>the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
>>>Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and
>>>consumables.
>>
>>
>> I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car
>> to a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the
>> 15,000 at an independant place. Since the transmission service was
>> involved in this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading
>> so many "proper transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried
>> me that Hyundai might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason
>> the mechanic does not use their "special" one.
>
> For automatic tranny service, that's probably a wise decision.
>
>>>Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
>>>covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
>>>Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
>>>responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to
>>>your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
>>>you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.
>>
>> The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
>> covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
>> missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty
>> on something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
>> malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
>> feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't
>> think things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing
>> where they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use
>> cheap parts, etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal
>> with them". Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a
>> comment on warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in
>> a box, slap a guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is
>> a guaranteed piece of sh*t."
>
> I hear ya.
>
>> This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular,
>> maybe other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car
>> they have ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at
>> this time for me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.
>
> I've had no trouble with mine.
trying to figure some things out. I knew going in that I was buying an
economical car, and from all the research I did beforehand, I felt that
Hyundai had finally built a fairly strong reputation. The fact that it is
in the economy range of cars, I am not that shocked that things such as the
tires are not the same quality as say were on my Pathfinder. I still have 3
1/2 years of car payments, so I'm going to honestly try to keep an open mind
on this and go from there.
Thanks again,
Scott
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8Dyof.18664$b57.13149@trndny06...
> Scot wrote:
>> Comments in-line below.
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
>>
>>>Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>>>>Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>>>>remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>>>>I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>>>>sure how else to explain it.
>>>>
>>>>I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>>>>would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>>>>buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>>>>time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads
>>>>clamping down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they
>>>>have grinded at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is
>>>>the warning indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it
>>>>is getting time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the
>>>>dealer in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do
>>>>things like replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of
>>>>wear, all combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even
>>>>things like the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped
>>>>away, leaving huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my
>>>>passengers side vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side
>>>>window has already come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door
>>>>one day. I mean, this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!!
>>>>Everything adding up hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the
>>>>"value" I thought I was getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly
>>>>hope that my car is in the minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are
>>>>not in a similar boat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
>>>miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
>>>like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
>>>it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
>>>when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
>>>not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
>>>hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
>>>the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
>>>surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
>>>area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
>>>match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
>>>rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
>>>people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
>>>not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of
>>>pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on
>>>brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced
>>>when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought
>>>back to "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw
>>>people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials"
>>>turn into $400 repair bills.
>>
>>
>> Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads
>> is normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of
>> Boston everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal,
>> so I know they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and
>> you are probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors
>> because they can. I just can't see how my tires are already done, just
>> does not make sense to me.
>
> The same stop and go traffic that wears your brakes take a toll on your
> tires, too. The Michelins are not known for being especially durable, so
> your experience is not unusual or unexpected with these tires.
>
>>>If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
>>>yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
>>>will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.
>>
>>
>> I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil
>> changes, sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing
>> with brakes and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff
>> then maybe your car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if
>> you do something wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are
>> talking serious bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly
>> sensitive to that piece, but that has always been what has kept me from
>> attempting those types of jobs.
>
> That's your call, but it's pretty hard to mess up a basic brake job. If
> the pads aren't installed correctly and/or the pistons aren't pushed back,
> you can't reinstall the brake caliper. If everything goes together, it's
> fine.
>
>>>You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
>>>service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
>>>car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
>>>the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
>>>Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and
>>>consumables.
>>
>>
>> I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car
>> to a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the
>> 15,000 at an independant place. Since the transmission service was
>> involved in this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading
>> so many "proper transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried
>> me that Hyundai might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason
>> the mechanic does not use their "special" one.
>
> For automatic tranny service, that's probably a wise decision.
>
>>>Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
>>>covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
>>>Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
>>>responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to
>>>your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
>>>you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.
>>
>> The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
>> covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
>> missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty
>> on something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
>> malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
>> feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't
>> think things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing
>> where they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use
>> cheap parts, etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal
>> with them". Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a
>> comment on warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in
>> a box, slap a guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is
>> a guaranteed piece of sh*t."
>
> I hear ya.
>
>> This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular,
>> maybe other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car
>> they have ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at
>> this time for me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.
>
> I've had no trouble with mine.
#37
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
Thanks for all the info and opinions Brian. I was just venting a bit and
trying to figure some things out. I knew going in that I was buying an
economical car, and from all the research I did beforehand, I felt that
Hyundai had finally built a fairly strong reputation. The fact that it is
in the economy range of cars, I am not that shocked that things such as the
tires are not the same quality as say were on my Pathfinder. I still have 3
1/2 years of car payments, so I'm going to honestly try to keep an open mind
on this and go from there.
Thanks again,
Scott
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8Dyof.18664$b57.13149@trndny06...
> Scot wrote:
>> Comments in-line below.
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
>>
>>>Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>>>>Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>>>>remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>>>>I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>>>>sure how else to explain it.
>>>>
>>>>I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>>>>would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>>>>buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>>>>time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads
>>>>clamping down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they
>>>>have grinded at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is
>>>>the warning indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it
>>>>is getting time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the
>>>>dealer in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do
>>>>things like replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of
>>>>wear, all combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even
>>>>things like the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped
>>>>away, leaving huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my
>>>>passengers side vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side
>>>>window has already come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door
>>>>one day. I mean, this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!!
>>>>Everything adding up hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the
>>>>"value" I thought I was getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly
>>>>hope that my car is in the minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are
>>>>not in a similar boat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
>>>miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
>>>like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
>>>it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
>>>when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
>>>not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
>>>hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
>>>the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
>>>surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
>>>area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
>>>match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
>>>rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
>>>people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
>>>not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of
>>>pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on
>>>brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced
>>>when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought
>>>back to "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw
>>>people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials"
>>>turn into $400 repair bills.
>>
>>
>> Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads
>> is normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of
>> Boston everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal,
>> so I know they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and
>> you are probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors
>> because they can. I just can't see how my tires are already done, just
>> does not make sense to me.
>
> The same stop and go traffic that wears your brakes take a toll on your
> tires, too. The Michelins are not known for being especially durable, so
> your experience is not unusual or unexpected with these tires.
>
>>>If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
>>>yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
>>>will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.
>>
>>
>> I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil
>> changes, sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing
>> with brakes and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff
>> then maybe your car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if
>> you do something wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are
>> talking serious bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly
>> sensitive to that piece, but that has always been what has kept me from
>> attempting those types of jobs.
>
> That's your call, but it's pretty hard to mess up a basic brake job. If
> the pads aren't installed correctly and/or the pistons aren't pushed back,
> you can't reinstall the brake caliper. If everything goes together, it's
> fine.
>
>>>You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
>>>service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
>>>car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
>>>the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
>>>Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and
>>>consumables.
>>
>>
>> I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car
>> to a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the
>> 15,000 at an independant place. Since the transmission service was
>> involved in this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading
>> so many "proper transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried
>> me that Hyundai might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason
>> the mechanic does not use their "special" one.
>
> For automatic tranny service, that's probably a wise decision.
>
>>>Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
>>>covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
>>>Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
>>>responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to
>>>your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
>>>you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.
>>
>> The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
>> covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
>> missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty
>> on something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
>> malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
>> feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't
>> think things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing
>> where they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use
>> cheap parts, etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal
>> with them". Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a
>> comment on warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in
>> a box, slap a guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is
>> a guaranteed piece of sh*t."
>
> I hear ya.
>
>> This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular,
>> maybe other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car
>> they have ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at
>> this time for me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.
>
> I've had no trouble with mine.
trying to figure some things out. I knew going in that I was buying an
economical car, and from all the research I did beforehand, I felt that
Hyundai had finally built a fairly strong reputation. The fact that it is
in the economy range of cars, I am not that shocked that things such as the
tires are not the same quality as say were on my Pathfinder. I still have 3
1/2 years of car payments, so I'm going to honestly try to keep an open mind
on this and go from there.
Thanks again,
Scott
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:8Dyof.18664$b57.13149@trndny06...
> Scot wrote:
>> Comments in-line below.
>>
>>
>> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:ap%nf.4705$tR6.77@trndny09...
>>
>>>Scot wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting.....I always bought non-name brand tires for my previous
>>>>Festiva and Pathfinder and never got short of 60,000 that I can
>>>>remember - and I think I once got the Pathfinder's rotated!!! I suppose
>>>>I'm used to other brands/companies giving me better quality tires, not
>>>>sure how else to explain it.
>>>>
>>>>I can understand what you are saying about the rotors, if they think it
>>>>would cost more to have someone smooth out any grinding than having you
>>>>buy new ones, but...with only hearing the noises yesterday for the first
>>>>time, and it being not very loud or annoying, not like bare pads
>>>>clamping down on the rotors which I have heard before, why would they
>>>>have grinded at all??? Usually that slight squeaking noise you hear is
>>>>the warning indicator pieces of metal touching, letting you know that it
>>>>is getting time to replace the pads, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>With these things, the high cost of the maintenance if done at the
>>>>dealer in comparison to the value of the car, and also having to do
>>>>things like replace the timing belt at 60,000 mile service regardless of
>>>>wear, all combine to push me towards not buying another Hyundai. Even
>>>>things like the material that makes up the steering wheel has chipped
>>>>away, leaving huge sections of divets in the steering wheel, one of my
>>>>passengers side vanity mirror's hinge broke, and also my drivers side
>>>>window has already come un-glued from the track and fell inside my door
>>>>one day. I mean, this is a car with only 30,500 miles on it!!!
>>>>Everything adding up hasn't given me much faith in Hyundai or in the
>>>>"value" I thought I was getting when purchasing the Elantra. I truly
>>>>hope that my car is in the minority and other Elantra/Hyundai owners are
>>>>not in a similar boat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you've driven the car hard enough to wear out the tires in only 30K
>>>miles, you should expect the brake pads to be worn out, too. It sounds
>>>like the wear indicators are making contact with the rotors, which means
>>>it's time for new pads. As for the rotors, unless you feel a vibration
>>>when braking, they're probably fine. They do wear and the surface will
>>>not be as even as new, but that's normal. The natural variations in the
>>>hardness of the rotors and pads, plus the dirt and such that gets between
>>>the pads and rotors will combine to cause grooves and ridges in the
>>>surface. That can actually be beneficial, since it increases the surface
>>>area of the rotors, but it takes a few stops for new pads to wear in to
>>>match the surface contours of the rotors. Mechanics always try to sell
>>>rotors, as they're a quick install, high profit item and it's easy to
>>>people the grooving on them. Most people have no idea that it's typically
>>>not a problem until you've gone through at least a couple of sets of
>>>pads. Additionally, if the repair shop offers any kind of warranty on
>>>brake wear, they usually require that rotors be replaced or resurfaced
>>>when new pads are installed and the rest of the braking system is brought
>>>back to "factory specifications". It's basically just an excuse to screw
>>>people with unnecessary repairs, which is how "$49.95 Brake Specials"
>>>turn into $400 repair bills.
>>
>>
>> Definately not critical of the pads being done. I think 30K for the pads
>> is normal wear, especially somebody that is commuting in and out of
>> Boston everyday - where going from 40mph to 0 every 15 seconds is normal,
>> so I know they get abused. The wear indicator noise is what I meant, and
>> you are probably right in that they are just trying to sell rotors
>> because they can. I just can't see how my tires are already done, just
>> does not make sense to me.
>
> The same stop and go traffic that wears your brakes take a toll on your
> tires, too. The Michelins are not known for being especially durable, so
> your experience is not unusual or unexpected with these tires.
>
>>>If you want to keep the cost of the repairs down, replace the brake pads
>>>yourself. The pads are relatively cheap and it's a very easy job that
>>>will take you all of an hour with basic hand tools.
>>
>>
>> I have no problems doing certain maintenance tasks myself, ie. oil
>> changes, sparkplugs, etc. I have always had a stigma attached to messing
>> with brakes and pads, because if you screw something on the other stuff
>> then maybe your car won't start or you royally screw the engine, but if
>> you do something wrong with the brakes and then can't stop - now we are
>> talking serious bodily injure or worse. Maybe I am being overly
>> sensitive to that piece, but that has always been what has kept me from
>> attempting those types of jobs.
>
> That's your call, but it's pretty hard to mess up a basic brake job. If
> the pads aren't installed correctly and/or the pistons aren't pushed back,
> you can't reinstall the brake caliper. If everything goes together, it's
> fine.
>
>>>You DON'T need to have your car serviced at the dealer. The dealer
>>>service may be expensive, but it's no different with any other brand of
>>>car. DIY maintenance or having it done by a repair shop WILL NOT affect
>>>the warranty as long as you do the work that's outlined in the
>>>Maintenance Log at the specified interval, with the appropriate parts and
>>>consumables.
>>
>>
>> I understand that it is illegal for them to require you to take your car
>> to a dealer for the regularly scheduled maintenance. In fact, I did the
>> 15,000 at an independant place. Since the transmission service was
>> involved in this one, I brought it to the dealer, because after reading
>> so many "proper transmission fluid" threads in this newsgroup, it worried
>> me that Hyundai might be a ball-breaker on this one if for some reason
>> the mechanic does not use their "special" one.
>
> For automatic tranny service, that's probably a wise decision.
>
>>>Speaking of warranty, the other issues you raised should have been
>>>covered under warranty. If the dealer told you they weren't, complain to
>>>Hyundai. While the dealer should be honest with you, you do have a
>>>responsibility to understand your rights and obligations when it comes to
>>>your car's warranty. If you're not willing to take the time to do so,
>>>you're setting yourself up to be taken advantage of.
>>
>> The dealer did not say those things were not covered. I know what is
>> covered under warranty and what is not, and understand that. I guess you
>> missed my point on what I was saying. Just because you have a warranty
>> on something doesn't mean I should be complacent with a product that is
>> malfunctioning in numerous ways. A warranty should be there to make you
>> feel "warm and fuzzy" that they stand behind their product and don't
>> think things will go wrong, it should not be a roll of a dice type thing
>> where they say, "yeah, we know this product is not good or we'll use
>> cheap parts, etc., but we'll fix some things if people really can't deal
>> with them". Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy, where he is making a
>> comment on warranties for of all things brake pads, "I can take a crap in
>> a box, slap a guarantee on the side of the box, and all you still have is
>> a guaranteed piece of sh*t."
>
> I hear ya.
>
>> This was just my venting frustration towards this car in particular,
>> maybe other people have the '04 Elantra and feel that it is the best car
>> they have ever owned - and I honestly would be very happy for them, at
>> this time for me personally, I think this will be my last Hyundai.
>
> I've had no trouble with mine.
#38
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so, you
may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost exclusively
urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly. The
front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
Chris
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so, you
may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost exclusively
urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly. The
front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
Chris
#39
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so, you
may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost exclusively
urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly. The
front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
Chris
> It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so, you
may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost exclusively
urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly. The
front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
Chris
#40
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
"Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
you
> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
exclusively
> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
The
> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>
> Chris
Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything but
a rope swing.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
"Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any car
> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>
> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
you
> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires. My
> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
exclusively
> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
The
> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>
> Chris
Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything but
a rope swing.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
The Festiva I had was also front wheel drive and I never had this problem.
I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
Scott
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:87e7f$43a4ec3a$45289469$5280@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
>> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
>> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
>> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any
>> > car
>> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
>> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
> you
>> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires.
>> My
>> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
> exclusively
>> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
> The
>> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
>> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
> don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
> I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
> crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything
> but
> a rope swing.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
Scott
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:87e7f$43a4ec3a$45289469$5280@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
>> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
>> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
>> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any
>> > car
>> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
>> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
> you
>> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires.
>> My
>> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
> exclusively
>> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
> The
>> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
>> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
> don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
> I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
> crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything
> but
> a rope swing.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
#43
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
The Festiva I had was also front wheel drive and I never had this problem.
I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
Scott
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:87e7f$43a4ec3a$45289469$5280@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
>> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
>> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
>> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any
>> > car
>> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
>> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
> you
>> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires.
>> My
>> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
> exclusively
>> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
> The
>> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
>> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
> don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
> I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
> crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything
> but
> a rope swing.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
Scott
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:87e7f$43a4ec3a$45289469$5280@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Christopher Wong" <cwong@world.std.com> wrote in message
> news:9JOdnWmkJqhfTDneRVn-jA@rcn.net...
>> On 2005-12-14, Scot <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote:
>> > It really blows my mind that at just over 30,000 miles I would need new
>> > rotors and two new tires already!!! I've never had such wear on any
>> > car
>> > previously (although I've never owned a Hyundai). Is this something to
>> > expect in the future with it, inferior parts and whatnot?
>>
>> This may sound silly, but is this your first FWD car in a while? If so,
> you
>> may not be accustomed to how much wear FWD cars put on the front tires.
>> My
>> Toyota Camry's front tires needed replacing at under 15K (almost
> exclusively
>> urban driving). This is why people like to rotate their tires regularly.
> The
>> front tires wear out much faster than the rear ones, so regular rotation
>> evens out tire life. Tire vendors often rotate tires for free.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Holy Cow Chris - I put PepBoy's Futura's on my cars these days and if I
> don't get 50K out of them before I get rid of them, I don't put on a mile.
> I'm not real good about rotating my tires either. If I had a tire that
> crapped out at 15K, I'd never be putting that brand of tire on anything
> but
> a rope swing.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> The Festiva I had was also front wheel drive and I never had this problem.
> I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
> that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
>
> Scott
>
I'd be unhappy with tire wear like you're seeing Scott. Look the tires
over - what's the wear? Indicative of toe problems? Camber problems?
Shock problems? Even a front wheel drive car should deliver 50K miles on
the front tires assuming a decent tire to start with so anything less, like
you're experiencing is pointing to a problem.
A lot of cars don't list camber adjustments anymore, yet they really can
benefit from it. I take my cars to a guy that does nothing but front end
alignments and in that field, he's almost a magician. My '98 Regal was
listed by the factory as requiring a Camber setting of 0 and he put 1/8 in
the car. He had to grind out the holes the McPherson bolts through in order
to make slots of them, and then was able to adjust 1/8" into the car. It
went from ok tire wear to excellent tire wear. I cannot say for a
certainty, but I'd like to also say that the frequency with which I had to
replace wheel bearings was pleasantly affect as well.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: '04 Elantra + Pads and Rotors
"Scot" <pats1776@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> The Festiva I had was also front wheel drive and I never had this problem.
> I agree with you here Mike, if I was only getting 15k (let alone the 30k
> that I only got from these) I would be out of my mind mad right now.
>
> Scott
>
I'd be unhappy with tire wear like you're seeing Scott. Look the tires
over - what's the wear? Indicative of toe problems? Camber problems?
Shock problems? Even a front wheel drive car should deliver 50K miles on
the front tires assuming a decent tire to start with so anything less, like
you're experiencing is pointing to a problem.
A lot of cars don't list camber adjustments anymore, yet they really can
benefit from it. I take my cars to a guy that does nothing but front end
alignments and in that field, he's almost a magician. My '98 Regal was
listed by the factory as requiring a Camber setting of 0 and he put 1/8 in
the car. He had to grind out the holes the McPherson bolts through in order
to make slots of them, and then was able to adjust 1/8" into the car. It
went from ok tire wear to excellent tire wear. I cannot say for a
certainty, but I'd like to also say that the frequency with which I had to
replace wheel bearings was pleasantly affect as well.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net