'06 sonata brake squeel
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:23 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Bob Adkins wrote:
>> Some people use the brake pedal to disengage the
>> cruise control, and that's a bad habit.
>
>Why?
Why? Because you would rather parse words and create an argument than
to THINK about what I really meant.
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Bob
wrote:
>Bob Adkins wrote:
>> Some people use the brake pedal to disengage the
>> cruise control, and that's a bad habit.
>
>Why?
Why? Because you would rather parse words and create an argument than
to THINK about what I really meant.
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:26:46 -0000, PMDR <kikaiju@gmail.com> wrote:
>What you're really saying is that people don't know how to drive.
>They do stupid things like accelerate and go full speed toward red
>traffic signals and stop signs only to slam on the brakes at the last
>second, they ride the brakes and the bumper of the car in front
>inching ever closer during stop-and-go traffic, and drive 80 or 90 or
>100 in mixed traffic -can't do that for long without having to slow
>quickly, etc.
Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
brakes at full speed. I can visualize the Space Shuttle's heat shield
scrubbing off energy and becoming red hot. His brake pads only last
about 20K miles. My hat is off to Cadillac for making great rotors
that stand up to him.
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Bob
>What you're really saying is that people don't know how to drive.
>They do stupid things like accelerate and go full speed toward red
>traffic signals and stop signs only to slam on the brakes at the last
>second, they ride the brakes and the bumper of the car in front
>inching ever closer during stop-and-go traffic, and drive 80 or 90 or
>100 in mixed traffic -can't do that for long without having to slow
>quickly, etc.
Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
brakes at full speed. I can visualize the Space Shuttle's heat shield
scrubbing off energy and becoming red hot. His brake pads only last
about 20K miles. My hat is off to Cadillac for making great rotors
that stand up to him.
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>
> Tapping the brake to disengage the cruise is not a bad habit.
>
> Stepping on the brake at 75MPH to stop or turn without first coasting
> down to a sensible speed is a bad habit.
>
> But you already know that, so why are you giving me the business?
Changing your story? Quoting from your other message:
>>Some people use the brake pedal to disengage the
>> cruise control, and that's a bad habit.
You made a satement. I just want to know and understand why. You must have
a reason for saying that or you would not have said it. Perhaps you can
teach us something we don't know. If asking why you beiieve in something
you stated is "giving you the business" well, so be it.
>
> Ah... one of those numbers guys, eh? All I can offer you is that it
> takes 4x more friction/heat to stop a vehicle from 70 as it does
> 35mph. That's my point. What's yours?
See, that was easy. I could not have guessed that and now I learned
something. You made a your point and answered my question. I had no point.
The purpose of t his newsgroup is to discuss, tech, learn. Thank you for
contributing. FWIW, numbers can be applied to most anything mechanicla nd
helps us to udnerstand what is going on. I'm a cruios kind of gy though,
and I'd like to know just how hot rotors can get.
Ed
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
Bob Adkins wrote:
> Guess what? I can't always coast down as slow as I would like. But I
> still stand by my statement that rotors become red hot if you brake
> from 75mph.
I don't believe that one quick stop from 75 MPH will make the rotors red
hot on any vehicle with reasonably well designed brakes.
Matt
> Guess what? I can't always coast down as slow as I would like. But I
> still stand by my statement that rotors become red hot if you brake
> from 75mph.
I don't believe that one quick stop from 75 MPH will make the rotors red
hot on any vehicle with reasonably well designed brakes.
Matt
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:23 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>> Some people use the brake pedal to disengage the
>>> cruise control, and that's a bad habit.
>> Why?
>
>
> Why? Because you would rather parse words and create an argument than
> to THINK about what I really meant.
No, you simply made a statement that makes no sense to me and I was
curious as to your reasoning ... if any. I guess there was none.
Matt
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:41:23 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob Adkins wrote:
>>> Some people use the brake pedal to disengage the
>>> cruise control, and that's a bad habit.
>> Why?
>
>
> Why? Because you would rather parse words and create an argument than
> to THINK about what I really meant.
No, you simply made a statement that makes no sense to me and I was
curious as to your reasoning ... if any. I guess there was none.
Matt
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>
> Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
>
> My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
> 75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
> brakes at full speed.
The guy is an idiot, but he'd probably do the same without cruise control.
I use it all the time when practical. Difference is, I pay attention when I
drive and I'll even tap the brake to knock it off to cost down a bit.
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:16:24 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
>Changing your story? Quoting from your other message:
Forgive my gaffe. I don't have any earthly idea why I typed that
statement as I did. Am I forgiven?
One last time, here is what I meant to convey:
It is a bad habit to have the cruise set to 75, and brake to a stop
without tapping the brake and coasting down to a reasonable speed.
If you disagree, fine. But that's my point. Anything else I said is
BESIDE THE POINT.
>You made a satement.
You missed to point. Quit focusing on that and either agree or
disagree with my point, and quit quibbling over my obvious
misstatement.
>I just want to know and understand why.
I can't explain it. Maybe I lost my train of thought, or got in a
hurry. There's no doubt that I forgot to proofread my post. Obviously
you have never done that.
>You must have
>a reason for saying that or you would not have said it. Perhaps you can
>teach us something we don't know. If asking why you beiieve in something
>you stated is "giving you the business" well, so be it.
I don't think I ever said that I didn't type it. I may have said it
was not what I meant, but I never denied typing it. In any event,
it's way beside the point.
>> Ah... one of those numbers guys, eh? All I can offer you is that it
>> takes 4x more friction/heat to stop a vehicle from 70 as it does
>> 35mph. That's my point. What's yours?
>
>See, that was easy. I could not have guessed that and now I learned
>something. You made a your point and answered my question. I had no point.
>The purpose of t his newsgroup is to discuss, tech, learn. Thank you for
>contributing. FWIW, numbers can be applied to most anything mechanicla nd
>helps us to udnerstand what is going on. I'm a cruios kind of gy though,
>and I'd like to know just how hot rotors can get.
You could have made things a lot easier for everyone by not running me
into the ground about an obvious misstatement.
Back to business!
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Bob
wrote:
>Changing your story? Quoting from your other message:
Forgive my gaffe. I don't have any earthly idea why I typed that
statement as I did. Am I forgiven?
One last time, here is what I meant to convey:
It is a bad habit to have the cruise set to 75, and brake to a stop
without tapping the brake and coasting down to a reasonable speed.
If you disagree, fine. But that's my point. Anything else I said is
BESIDE THE POINT.
>You made a satement.
You missed to point. Quit focusing on that and either agree or
disagree with my point, and quit quibbling over my obvious
misstatement.
>I just want to know and understand why.
I can't explain it. Maybe I lost my train of thought, or got in a
hurry. There's no doubt that I forgot to proofread my post. Obviously
you have never done that.
>You must have
>a reason for saying that or you would not have said it. Perhaps you can
>teach us something we don't know. If asking why you beiieve in something
>you stated is "giving you the business" well, so be it.
I don't think I ever said that I didn't type it. I may have said it
was not what I meant, but I never denied typing it. In any event,
it's way beside the point.
>> Ah... one of those numbers guys, eh? All I can offer you is that it
>> takes 4x more friction/heat to stop a vehicle from 70 as it does
>> 35mph. That's my point. What's yours?
>
>See, that was easy. I could not have guessed that and now I learned
>something. You made a your point and answered my question. I had no point.
>The purpose of t his newsgroup is to discuss, tech, learn. Thank you for
>contributing. FWIW, numbers can be applied to most anything mechanicla nd
>helps us to udnerstand what is going on. I'm a cruios kind of gy though,
>and I'd like to know just how hot rotors can get.
You could have made things a lot easier for everyone by not running me
into the ground about an obvious misstatement.
Back to business!
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:44:44 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>> Guess what? I can't always coast down as slow as I would like. But I
>> still stand by my statement that rotors become red hot if you brake
>> from 75mph.
>
>I don't believe that one quick stop from 75 MPH will make the rotors red
>hot on any vehicle with reasonably well designed brakes.
Agreed!
I was speaking of doing it habitually, which you already know because
of my use of the term "bad habit".
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Bob
wrote:
>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>> Guess what? I can't always coast down as slow as I would like. But I
>> still stand by my statement that rotors become red hot if you brake
>> from 75mph.
>
>I don't believe that one quick stop from 75 MPH will make the rotors red
>hot on any vehicle with reasonably well designed brakes.
Agreed!
I was speaking of doing it habitually, which you already know because
of my use of the term "bad habit".
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:24:56 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>
>> Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
>>
>> My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
>> 75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
>> brakes at full speed.
>
>The guy is an idiot, but he'd probably do the same without cruise control.
>I use it all the time when practical. Difference is, I pay attention when I
>drive and I'll even tap the brake to knock it off to cost down a bit.
I would wager that many of the warped rotor problems are because of
unnecessary high speed stops. I have never had warped rotors on any of
my personal vehicles. 3 or my wife's last 4 vehicles have had warped
rotors. So far her 06 Sonata's rotors are holding up fine. Maybe
that's because I busted her jamming on the brakes at high speed, and
told her to coast before braking.
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Bob
wrote:
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>
>> Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
>>
>> My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
>> 75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
>> brakes at full speed.
>
>The guy is an idiot, but he'd probably do the same without cruise control.
>I use it all the time when practical. Difference is, I pay attention when I
>drive and I'll even tap the brake to knock it off to cost down a bit.
I would wager that many of the warped rotor problems are because of
unnecessary high speed stops. I have never had warped rotors on any of
my personal vehicles. 3 or my wife's last 4 vehicles have had warped
rotors. So far her 06 Sonata's rotors are holding up fine. Maybe
that's because I busted her jamming on the brakes at high speed, and
told her to coast before braking.
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>
> One last time, here is what I meant to convey:
>
> It is a bad habit to have the cruise set to 75, and brake to a stop
> without tapping the brake and coasting down to a reasonable speed.
>
> If you disagree, fine. But that's my point. Anything else I said is
> BESIDE THE POINT.
I can agree with that. Makes a lot of sense.
>
> You missed to point. Quit focusing on that and either agree or
> disagree with my point, and quit quibbling over my obvious
> misstatement.
Obvius to you, not to the rest of us. That is why I asked for
clarification.
> I can't explain it. Maybe I lost my train of thought, or got in a
> hurry. There's no doubt that I forgot to proofread my post. Obviously
> you have never done that.
Sure, we all have not proofread. Typos, misspellings and their/there errors
are easily figured out. Unfortunately, your error still had clarity the way
it was types.
> You could have made things a lot easier for everyone by not running me
> into the ground about an obvious misstatement.
>
> Back to business!
Not trying to run you into the ground. If you had given a simple "duh, I
goofed" the first time I asked, it would have been over. Now it is over and
clarified.
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:24:56 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
>>>
>>> My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
>>> 75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
>>> brakes at full speed.
>> The guy is an idiot, but he'd probably do the same without cruise control.
>> I use it all the time when practical. Difference is, I pay attention when I
>> drive and I'll even tap the brake to knock it off to cost down a bit.
>
>
> I would wager that many of the warped rotor problems are because of
> unnecessary high speed stops. I have never had warped rotors on any of
> my personal vehicles. 3 or my wife's last 4 vehicles have had warped
> rotors. So far her 06 Sonata's rotors are holding up fine. Maybe
> that's because I busted her jamming on the brakes at high speed, and
> told her to coast before braking.
How do you know they are warped? Have you measured them with a dial
indicator?
Matt
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:24:56 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> Exactly. Cruise control creates some bad habits.
>>>
>>> My favorite is a friend that has a big ole Escalade. He cruises at
>>> 75-80. Instead of tapping the brake and coasting down, he jams on the
>>> brakes at full speed.
>> The guy is an idiot, but he'd probably do the same without cruise control.
>> I use it all the time when practical. Difference is, I pay attention when I
>> drive and I'll even tap the brake to knock it off to cost down a bit.
>
>
> I would wager that many of the warped rotor problems are because of
> unnecessary high speed stops. I have never had warped rotors on any of
> my personal vehicles. 3 or my wife's last 4 vehicles have had warped
> rotors. So far her 06 Sonata's rotors are holding up fine. Maybe
> that's because I busted her jamming on the brakes at high speed, and
> told her to coast before braking.
How do you know they are warped? Have you measured them with a dial
indicator?
Matt
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:45:08 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>How do you know they are warped? Have you measured them with a dial
>indicator?
Although I have a dial indicator, Matt, when you spin the
motherers and they wobble ~.150, you don't have to bother
indicating them.
Now quit being such a pain in the ***. You don't need to challenge
EVERYTHING I say. Or do you think that's your job?
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Bob
wrote:
>How do you know they are warped? Have you measured them with a dial
>indicator?
Although I have a dial indicator, Matt, when you spin the
motherers and they wobble ~.150, you don't have to bother
indicating them.
Now quit being such a pain in the ***. You don't need to challenge
EVERYTHING I say. Or do you think that's your job?
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:37:42 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
>Sure, we all have not proofread. Typos, misspellings and their/there errors
>are easily figured out. Unfortunately, your error still had clarity the way
>it was types.
What do you mean "types"? Is there some hidden meaning in that?
Explain your self Edward!
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Bob
wrote:
>Sure, we all have not proofread. Typos, misspellings and their/there errors
>are easily figured out. Unfortunately, your error still had clarity the way
>it was types.
What do you mean "types"? Is there some hidden meaning in that?
Explain your self Edward!
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Bob
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net>
>>it was types.
>
> What do you mean "types"? Is there some hidden meaning in that?
> Explain your self Edward!
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typeD, with a "D. Yes, we all make typos.
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Re: '06 sonata brake squeel
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:51:40 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:
>> What do you mean "types"? Is there some hidden meaning in that?
>> Explain your self Edward!
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>
>typeD, with a "D. Yes, we all make typos.
Sorry I called you "Edward". Yes, we do all make typos!
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Bob
wrote:
>> What do you mean "types"? Is there some hidden meaning in that?
>> Explain your self Edward!
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>
>typeD, with a "D. Yes, we all make typos.
Sorry I called you "Edward". Yes, we do all make typos!
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Bob