06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
07-29-2007, 02:24 PM
#1
Guest
Posts: n/a
06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
-Matt
noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
-Matt
07-29-2007, 06:00 PM
#2
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
mbleisch@gmail.com wrote:
> I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
> from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> -Matt
>
Did you tighten the plug using a torque wrench? The only ways I can
think of that a leak could occur are:
1. Plug not tight enough
2. Plug not sealing squarely (implies cross threading)
3. Serious nick on the oil pan sealing surface
4. Serious nick on the plug sealing surface
5. Serious nick on the crush washer
If you are sure it isn't 1, 2 or 5, then you need to remove the plug,
which means draining the oil unfortunately, and using a bright light
carefully inspect the sealing surfaces on both the oil pan and plug
looking for a nick or bump that is preventing an oil-tight seal.
Matt
> I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
> from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> -Matt
>
Did you tighten the plug using a torque wrench? The only ways I can
think of that a leak could occur are:
1. Plug not tight enough
2. Plug not sealing squarely (implies cross threading)
3. Serious nick on the oil pan sealing surface
4. Serious nick on the plug sealing surface
5. Serious nick on the crush washer
If you are sure it isn't 1, 2 or 5, then you need to remove the plug,
which means draining the oil unfortunately, and using a bright light
carefully inspect the sealing surfaces on both the oil pan and plug
looking for a nick or bump that is preventing an oil-tight seal.
Matt
07-30-2007, 06:00 AM
#3
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
Matt W.
I recall somewhere in the Hyundai manuals there is a tourque rating
spec for the drain plug, however, never in my 10+ years of doing my
own automotive work have I ever put a tourque wrench on a oil drain
plug, but I will try it. This is my 5th oil change for my Sonata,
I've done all five oil changes myself, and the drip never started
until the 4th oil change. The nicks are a good point. Thanks!
-Matt B
I recall somewhere in the Hyundai manuals there is a tourque rating
spec for the drain plug, however, never in my 10+ years of doing my
own automotive work have I ever put a tourque wrench on a oil drain
plug, but I will try it. This is my 5th oil change for my Sonata,
I've done all five oil changes myself, and the drip never started
until the 4th oil change. The nicks are a good point. Thanks!
-Matt B
07-30-2007, 07:04 AM
#4
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
mbleisch@gmail.com wrote:
> Matt W.
>
> I recall somewhere in the Hyundai manuals there is a tourque rating
> spec for the drain plug, however, never in my 10+ years of doing my
> own automotive work have I ever put a tourque wrench on a oil drain
> plug, but I will try it. This is my 5th oil change for my Sonata,
> I've done all five oil changes myself, and the drip never started
> until the 4th oil change. The nicks are a good point. Thanks!
What got me wondering was you said that "it could not be tightened any
further", but you also said it was not overtightened. The only way to
be sure it isn't overtightened is to use a torque wrench. And it can
always be tightened further! It may strip, but it can always be
tightened more. :-)
Matt
> Matt W.
>
> I recall somewhere in the Hyundai manuals there is a tourque rating
> spec for the drain plug, however, never in my 10+ years of doing my
> own automotive work have I ever put a tourque wrench on a oil drain
> plug, but I will try it. This is my 5th oil change for my Sonata,
> I've done all five oil changes myself, and the drip never started
> until the 4th oil change. The nicks are a good point. Thanks!
What got me wondering was you said that "it could not be tightened any
further", but you also said it was not overtightened. The only way to
be sure it isn't overtightened is to use a torque wrench. And it can
always be tightened further! It may strip, but it can always be
tightened more. :-)
Matt
07-30-2007, 12:08 PM
#5
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
The sealing washers have been redesigned. The older ones were about 1mm
thick and would squeeze out the side if overtightened, causing a leak.
The newer ones are about 2mm thick and don't squeeze as easily due to the
additional material. It's possible you may need to tighten the drain plug
a little more than you did before. Also, with the thicker washer, there's
a greater possibility that a problem with nonparallel surfaces will cause
a leak.
thick and would squeeze out the side if overtightened, causing a leak.
The newer ones are about 2mm thick and don't squeeze as easily due to the
additional material. It's possible you may need to tighten the drain plug
a little more than you did before. Also, with the thicker washer, there's
a greater possibility that a problem with nonparallel surfaces will cause
a leak.
07-30-2007, 04:00 PM
#6
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
After you get it figured out, on the next oil change put in a Fram Sure
Drain oil drain plug with a drain valve. You won't have to unscrew the oil
plug ever again. No more crush washers to worry about. They are under $10.
Available at Fleet Farm. I've got one on both my XG350's and they work
great. Ideal for someone who changes his own oil.
Dan
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185733449.253334.28980@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
> from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> -Matt
>
Drain oil drain plug with a drain valve. You won't have to unscrew the oil
plug ever again. No more crush washers to worry about. They are under $10.
Available at Fleet Farm. I've got one on both my XG350's and they work
great. Ideal for someone who changes his own oil.
Dan
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185733449.253334.28980@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
> from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> -Matt
>
07-31-2007, 07:13 AM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
Hyundaitech - I thought the washers looked thicker. Looks like I will
have to jack the car up drain the oil and take a closer look at the
drain plug area, and put a tourque wrench on it. And see what
happens. If that doesn't fix it.....looks like it's going to the
dealership. Would this be covered under warranty? (My thought is no).
have to jack the car up drain the oil and take a closer look at the
drain plug area, and put a tourque wrench on it. And see what
happens. If that doesn't fix it.....looks like it's going to the
dealership. Would this be covered under warranty? (My thought is no).
07-31-2007, 11:46 AM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:24:09 -0700, "mbleisch@gmail.com"
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote:
>I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
>noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
>could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
>tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
>it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
>washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
>from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
>material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
Try a thick copper washer. They're practically permanent, and
compensate for a little out-of-parallel or burrs on the plug or oil
pan. I think you can get a nice assortment from Harbor Freight for ~5
bucks.
And WHY DOESN'T HYUNDAI SUPPLY THEM OEM?
-
Bob
<mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote:
>I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
>noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
>could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
>tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
>it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
>washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
>from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
>material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
Try a thick copper washer. They're practically permanent, and
compensate for a little out-of-parallel or burrs on the plug or oil
pan. I think you can get a nice assortment from Harbor Freight for ~5
bucks.
And WHY DOESN'T HYUNDAI SUPPLY THEM OEM?
-
Bob
07-31-2007, 07:18 PM
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:24:09 -0700, "mbleisch@gmail.com"
> <mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
>> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
>> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
>> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
>> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
>> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
>>from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
>> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> Try a thick copper washer. They're practically permanent, and
> compensate for a little out-of-parallel or burrs on the plug or oil
> pan. I think you can get a nice assortment from Harbor Freight for ~5
> bucks.
>
> And WHY DOESN'T HYUNDAI SUPPLY THEM OEM?
Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
:-)
Matt
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:24:09 -0700, "mbleisch@gmail.com"
> <mbleisch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I personally change the oil in my 06 Sonata LX. My last oil change I
>> noticed a slow, small drip coming from the drain plug. The drain plug
>> could not be tightended any further (trust me, it's not over
>> tightened), so I thought it was the crushing washer. I just changed
>> it again yesterday morning, and it still drips, even with a new
>> washer. It's not cross threaded no metal shards. I get the washer
>>from the dealer, is it possible it's too thick? Not the right
>> material? Help! This is absolutely frustrating!
>
> Try a thick copper washer. They're practically permanent, and
> compensate for a little out-of-parallel or burrs on the plug or oil
> pan. I think you can get a nice assortment from Harbor Freight for ~5
> bucks.
>
> And WHY DOESN'T HYUNDAI SUPPLY THEM OEM?
Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
:-)
Matt
07-31-2007, 10:04 PM
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
"Bob Adkins" <bob@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:i4mua350oumgnd2ann4v9qu5bg61vvi2oa@4ax.com...
>
> Try a thick copper washer. They're practically permanent, and
> compensate for a little out-of-parallel or burrs on the plug or oil
> pan. I think you can get a nice assortment from Harbor Freight for ~5
> bucks.
>
> And WHY DOESN'T HYUNDAI SUPPLY THEM OEM?
> -
>
> Bob
Actually, while you're in Harbor Freight, buy a torque wrench for $16.00. I
was surprised how tight 30 Ft-Lbs seemed when tightening the plug.
08-05-2007, 06:09 PM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:18:36 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
>any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
>is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
> :-)
I don't really care which is best. I just like copper better because
of the color and flavor. Aluminum sets my teeth on edge.
All kidding aside, I agree that soft Al is an excellent material for
throw-away gaskets. However, I don't trust it for reusable gaskets
because of the way it's subject to fatigue cracking.
You're right that Al cheaper than Cu. That could save you and me about
..01 per washer I guess. Hey, a penny saved...
-
Bob
wrote:
>Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
>any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
>is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
> :-)
I don't really care which is best. I just like copper better because
of the color and flavor. Aluminum sets my teeth on edge.
All kidding aside, I agree that soft Al is an excellent material for
throw-away gaskets. However, I don't trust it for reusable gaskets
because of the way it's subject to fatigue cracking.
You're right that Al cheaper than Cu. That could save you and me about
..01 per washer I guess. Hey, a penny saved...
-
Bob
08-05-2007, 08:24 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 06 Sonata LX slow oil drip
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:18:36 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
>> any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
>> is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
>> :-)
>
> I don't really care which is best. I just like copper better because
> of the color and flavor. Aluminum sets my teeth on edge.
>
> All kidding aside, I agree that soft Al is an excellent material for
> throw-away gaskets. However, I don't trust it for reusable gaskets
> because of the way it's subject to fatigue cracking.
>
> You're right that Al cheaper than Cu. That could save you and me about
> .01 per washer I guess. Hey, a penny saved...
> -
>
> Bob
I doubt it saves us anything! But if it saves Hyundai $0.01 per washer
and they sell a million a year, it begins to add up! :-)
Matt
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:18:36 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Probably because aluminum is cheaper. I'm not sure why copper would be
>> any better for compensating for out-of-parallel or burrs as the hardness
>> is similar (depending on which alloys of course) between the two metals.
>> :-)
>
> I don't really care which is best. I just like copper better because
> of the color and flavor. Aluminum sets my teeth on edge.
>
> All kidding aside, I agree that soft Al is an excellent material for
> throw-away gaskets. However, I don't trust it for reusable gaskets
> because of the way it's subject to fatigue cracking.
>
> You're right that Al cheaper than Cu. That could save you and me about
> .01 per washer I guess. Hey, a penny saved...
> -
>
> Bob
I doubt it saves us anything! But if it saves Hyundai $0.01 per washer
and they sell a million a year, it begins to add up! :-)
Matt