Hoof Hearted

I was at the local Wal-Mart seeing if the price of my Mobil 1 5w 20 went up
any and there in a nice green bottle was Mobil 1 0w 20 oil stating that it
protects the same as 5w 20?? Is this hype, trying to cash in on the green
bandwagon, or would it really give you better gas mileage like the bottle
says? I say it is probably a marketing scam.

Edwin Pawlowski

"Hoof Hearted" <smbkrun3@glidefree.com> wrote in message
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>I was at the local Wal-Mart seeing if the price of my Mobil 1 5w 20 went up
>any and there in a nice green bottle was Mobil 1 0w 20 oil stating that it
>protects the same as 5w 20?? Is this hype, trying to cash in on the green
>bandwagon, or would it really give you better gas mileage like the bottle
>says? I say it is probably a marketing scam.

If you say it is a marketing scam, show us some fact and figures.
Supposition does not matter much here.

Hoof Hearted

How about if Mobil 1 shows me facts proving that I will get better mileage
using 0w 20 instead of 5w 20?



"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Hoof Hearted" <smbkrun3@glidefree.com> wrote in message
> news:LRgHj.60$ie3.12@trndny02...
>>I was at the local Wal-Mart seeing if the price of my Mobil 1 5w 20 went
>>up any and there in a nice green bottle was Mobil 1 0w 20 oil stating that
>>it protects the same as 5w 20?? Is this hype, trying to cash in on the
>>green bandwagon, or would it really give you better gas mileage like the
>>bottle says? I say it is probably a marketing scam.
>
> If you say it is a marketing scam, show us some fact and figures.
> Supposition does not matter much here.
>

Edwin Pawlowski

"Hoof Hearted" <smbkrun3@glidefree.com> wrote in message
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> How about if Mobil 1 shows me facts proving that I will get better mileage
> using 0w 20 instead of 5w 20?
>

Ask them. If you didn't, they you are just making up your idea of a
marketing scam. I'd imagine they have test data available to back up their
advertising claims while you have nothing but BS so far. You made a
statement that you can't back up. Until you do, you are just a marketing
scam yourself.

Brian Nystrom

Hoof Hearted wrote:
> I was at the local Wal-Mart seeing if the price of my Mobil 1 5w 20 went
> up any and there in a nice green bottle was Mobil 1 0w 20 oil stating
> that it protects the same as 5w 20?? Is this hype, trying to cash in on
> the green bandwagon, or would it really give you better gas mileage like
> the bottle says? I say it is probably a marketing scam.

It's legit. 0 weight oils are commonly used in Europe, with 0W-40 being
more or less the "standard" there now.

hyundaitech

There's no question it'll improve fuel economy. How much are and whether
it'll be noticeable are things I cannot answer. As others have alluded,
I'm sure others have done the tests and can back it up.

The idea is pretty simple, actually. Lighter weight oils have lower
viscosity and therefore result in less oil drag on engine components. Of
course, this doesn't imply everyone should put 0w-20 oil in their engines.
Use only the oil weights specified in your owner's manual for your
climate.

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Hoof Hearted

Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
5w-20?


"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> There's no question it'll improve fuel economy. How much are and whether
> it'll be noticeable are things I cannot answer. As others have alluded,
> I'm sure others have done the tests and can back it up.
>
> The idea is pretty simple, actually. Lighter weight oils have lower
> viscosity and therefore result in less oil drag on engine components. Of
> course, this doesn't imply everyone should put 0w-20 oil in their engines.
> Use only the oil weights specified in your owner's manual for your
> climate.
>
> --
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> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
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>

John

I,d stick with what the manufacturer of the car states.
They designed the car and specified an oil , the other mob design an oil and
then try to "fit" the car.



"Hoof Hearted" <smbkrun3@glidefree.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
> 5w-20?
>
>
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:5af197bf017ad23a5f4bd3ac9ecc32d3@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> There's no question it'll improve fuel economy. How much are and whether
>> it'll be noticeable are things I cannot answer. As others have alluded,
>> I'm sure others have done the tests and can back it up.
>>
>> The idea is pretty simple, actually. Lighter weight oils have lower
>> viscosity and therefore result in less oil drag on engine components. Of
>> course, this doesn't imply everyone should put 0w-20 oil in their
>> engines.
>> Use only the oil weights specified in your owner's manual for your
>> climate.
>>
>> --
>> Message posted using
>> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
>> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>>
>

Brian Nystrom

Hoof Hearted wrote:
> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
> 5w-20?

That's the safe bet, but if the same engine is sold in a different
market and has different oil recommendations, either should work. I
don't know if that's the case here.

mack

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Hoof Hearted wrote:
>> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
>> 5w-20?
>
> That's the safe bet, but if the same engine is sold in a different market
> and has different oil recommendations, either should work. I don't know if
> that's the case here.


Let's get down to cases. If you use Mobil "0" weight oil and your engine is
ruined, just how difficult do you think it will be to make Mobil pay for
your new engine?

Edwin Pawlowski

"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:BR3Ij.2188$fq2.1525@trndny03...
>> Hoof Hearted wrote:
>>> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
>>> 5w-20?
>>
>> That's the safe bet, but if the same engine is sold in a different market
>> and has different oil recommendations, either should work. I don't know
>> if that's the case here.
>
>
> Let's get down to cases. If you use Mobil "0" weight oil and your engine
> is ruined, just how difficult do you think it will be to make Mobil pay
> for your new engine?

Easy. Just provide the engine parts analysis, oil analysis and professional
engineer's findings. Cant take more than a couple of years to gather the
data.

Brian Nystrom

mack wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:BR3Ij.2188$fq2.1525@trndny03...
>> Hoof Hearted wrote:
>>> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
>>> 5w-20?
>> That's the safe bet, but if the same engine is sold in a different market
>> and has different oil recommendations, either should work. I don't know if
>> that's the case here.
>
>
> Let's get down to cases. If you use Mobil "0" weight oil and your engine is
> ruined, just how difficult do you think it will be to make Mobil pay for
> your new engine?

Let's be realistic rather than paranoid, shall we? How likely are you to
EVER get ANY oil manufacturer to pay for ANY engine damage? For that
matter, how likely are you to EVER have ANY engine damage that's related
to oil FAILURE, as opposed to improper maintenance? Let's also keep in
mind that while 0W oils are not yet common here, they've been used in
Europe for years.

The difference between 0W-20 and 5W-20 is that the former flows better
at lower temperatures. That's it. They both have the same viscosity
rating at the high temp end of the scale and should therefore provide
the same protection/lubrication. The major advantage of the lighter base
stock would be most evident in colder climates and conditions, where it
would flow better and distribute faster, improving both fuel mileage and
cold-start lubrication. In warmer climates, the difference would be
negligible.

Wayne Moses

Reply to message from "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> (Fri, 28 Mar 2008
21:14:02) about "Re: 0w 20 Oil??":

>> Is this
>> hype, trying to cash in on the green bandwagon, or would it really give
>> you better gas mileage like the bottle says? I say it is probably a
>> marketing scam.

EP> If you say it is a marketing scam, show us some fact and figures.
EP> Supposition does not matter much here.

Ed, calm down. Hoof was merely putting out feelers as to what other group
member felt. At least that is how I read his post.

Look at the above again. He asked a question then made a suggestion based
on his initial feeling.

FWIW I saw the same oil and had a similar gut feeling. I felt that, as with
so many marketing campaigns these days, slapping the words "green''and
''organic" on products is good for business.

Regarding the oil, the only way I see it delivering on its claim is reduced
friction losses. Put the same weight of ''non green" synthetic next to it
in a test scenario and I bet any differences would be so insignificant as
to render the usage of "green''as BS.

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wayne.moses@comcast.net> Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:25:14 -0500

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Edwin Pawlowski

"Wayne Moses" <wayne.moses@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Reply to message from "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> (Fri, 28 Mar 2008
> 21:14:02) about "Re: 0w 20 Oil??":
>
> >> Is this
> >> hype, trying to cash in on the green bandwagon, or would it really give
> >> you better gas mileage like the bottle says? I say it is probably a
> >> marketing scam.
>
> EP> If you say it is a marketing scam, show us some fact and figures.
> EP> Supposition does not matter much here.
>
> Ed, calm down. Hoof was merely putting out feelers as to what other group
> member felt. At least that is how I read his post.
>
> Look at the above again. He asked a question then made a suggestion based
> on his initial feeling.

At your request, I took the time to re-read the original question. I've not
changed my mind.

Rev. Tom Wenndt

Is the '07 Elantra the first year of the re-design, or the last year of the
old one? And, in any case, did the engine change one bit during the
re-design (I get the impression the answer is 'no').

The Kia Spectra uses basically the exact same 2.0L engine. Mine specifies
5W20/30. That is a strange designation, but I have a hunch it means that
either 5/20 or 5/30 is acceptable. I use the 5/20 in Winter and 5/30 in
Summer, always using synthetic oil. I doubt I will have trouble, and also
doubt I will fiddle with a 0W weight, even in synthetic.

One more question about the 0W oils. Would that not cause a lot of problems
for things like valve cover gaskets? Through the years, I have already had
enough trouble, and enough cars that had oil seep through them at some
point, and that, of course, was heavier 5W oil. Maybe one more reason to
stick only with what the manufacturer recommends.


"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Hoof Hearted wrote:
>> Thanks, I assume with my 07 Elantra I should stick with the recommended
>> 5w-20?
>
> That's the safe bet, but if the same engine is sold in a different market
> and has different oil recommendations, either should work. I don't know if
> that's the case here.