2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
06-18-2006, 06:11 PM
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2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
components I havent seen before.
For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
of the hub assembly.
How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
jackstands.
Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
out of the hub if thats possible.
Thank you for the help.
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the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
components I havent seen before.
For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
of the hub assembly.
How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
jackstands.
Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
out of the hub if thats possible.
Thank you for the help.
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06-18-2006, 06:43 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
none@none.com wrote:
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
06-18-2006, 06:43 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
none@none.com wrote:
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
06-18-2006, 06:43 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
none@none.com wrote:
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
> I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
> the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
> the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
> components I havent seen before.
>
> For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
> shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
> of the hub assembly.
>
> How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
> jackstands.
>
> Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
> out of the hub if thats possible.
>
> Thank you for the help.
You really should invest in a FSM if you plan to do work such as this on
your car.
Matt
06-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
I think that the spring design that Hyundai uses is the worst. I've removed
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
06-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
I think that the spring design that Hyundai uses is the worst. I've removed
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
06-19-2006, 09:19 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
I think that the spring design that Hyundai uses is the worst. I've removed
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
drums from Hondas before using a clamp screwdriver, no problem. On my sister's
Elantra, I can't get enough room to pull off the top spring. Not the greatest
deign.
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:11:21 GMT, Malbojia (none@none.com) wrote:
>I've done rear brake jobs on my civic and cavalier and was expecting
>the usual generalness of tackling the job. But when I came to remove
>the drums off on each end, the layout look similar but with
>components I havent seen before.
>
>For example, the bottom piece that looks like a bracket holding each
>shoe that has rounded bolts, and the brake line been on the rear end
>of the hub assembly.
>
>How would I go about removing them with the car just on the
>jackstands.
>
>Maybe a quick step by step guide just to get the assembly over and
>out of the hub if thats possible.
>
>Thank you for the help.
06-19-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-19-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-19-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-21-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-21-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-21-2006, 07:42 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
the pads out and get the top spring off.
Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
Nick
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:20:25 -0400, "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com>
wrote:
>The piece at the bottom is the shoe anchor and won't come off the backing
>plate. Remove the wheel hub, the shoe hold-down springs, and the
>adjusting spring and lever. Once you've done that, you should be able to
>slide the shoes down and off the bottom anchor. Then remove the bottom
>spring and use the parking brake lever on the shoe to pry the adjuster rod
>off, making it easy to remove the upper spring.
06-21-2006, 05:41 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
06-21-2006, 05:41 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
