2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
06-21-2006, 05:41 PM
#16
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>
> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>
>
> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
brakes?
Matt
06-22-2006, 08:32 AM
#17
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Matt,
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
06-22-2006, 08:32 AM
#18
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Matt,
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
06-22-2006, 08:32 AM
#19
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Matt,
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
newsgroup.
Nick
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:41:05 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Nick wrote:
>
>> Last night I changed the drums on my sister's 99 Elantra and have to say that
>> they may be one of the worst deigned systems I have ever seen. It took me about
>> 2 hrs to replace them because I had to be "creative" and figure how to get the
>> pads off. For starters the two lock and springs that hold the pads together,
>> couldn't they have had that as one piece? Honda has gone one step further and
>> designed a clip which is only one piece for this. After pulling everything off
>> as Hyundaitech (thanks for the bit of creativity) suggested I was able to slide
>> the pads out and get the top spring off.
>>
>> Out of all of the designs that I have seen, I think that top spring is the most
>> poorly designed of the entire system. It shouldn't take this long to do this and
>> Hyundai isn't making life easier for their own assembly lines either.
>>
>>
>> Luckily I had a look at the specs for the new Elantra and they are now going
>> completely to discs for the front and back on all trims (something that I have
>> been waiting to see on all models from every manufacturer).
>
>You complain about replacing the pads (which implies disks as drum
>brakes use shoes) and then are happy that all four wheels will have disk
>brakes?
>
>
>Matt
06-22-2006, 08:46 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
06-22-2006, 08:46 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
06-22-2006, 08:46 AM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
Nick wrote:
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
If you want to be understood, you need to use the correct terminology.
Shoes are for drums, pads are for disks. It has been that way as long
as I can remember.
If you don't like my comments, don't bother to read them or reply.
Matt
06-22-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
"Nick" <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
>
Matt has a point. Pads are part of a disk brake system and shoes are the
equivalent in a drum brake system. When one is asking for advice, or
passing the same along, proper terminology goes a long way towards
understanding. Maybe this was one of the more obvious uses of the wrong
term, but it's not always so obvious.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
06-22-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
"Nick" <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
>
Matt has a point. Pads are part of a disk brake system and shoes are the
equivalent in a drum brake system. When one is asking for advice, or
passing the same along, proper terminology goes a long way towards
understanding. Maybe this was one of the more obvious uses of the wrong
term, but it's not always so obvious.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
06-22-2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: 2002 Elantra VE rear brake shoes job.
"Nick" <npolite@NOSPAMMONKEYS.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> You call them shoes, and I called them pads....this topic was about
> drums was it not? To me they should call them all pads. What is a shoe, a
> different form of a brake pad. We really don't need smartasses in this
> newsgroup.
>
Matt has a point. Pads are part of a disk brake system and shoes are the
equivalent in a drum brake system. When one is asking for advice, or
passing the same along, proper terminology goes a long way towards
understanding. Maybe this was one of the more obvious uses of the wrong
term, but it's not always so obvious.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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