2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Have a 2003 Sonata with 3,225 miles on odometer. The problem I'm been having
and the dealer and factory say is normal is the following. When I starting down the road after the vehicle has set for a couple of hours or overnight, it fails to perform a normal 2-3 up shift. I drive 2.9 miles to and from work twice a day and for the first mile it stays in second gear at 25 mph and the engine is rpm is 3,000. After about one mile down the road and the vehicle has warmed up does the 2-3-shift point become normal at 2,000 rpm. Hyundai stated me this is normal do to high line pressure when first started. I had a 2004 loaner for a week and that Sonata shifted perfectly. Any suggestions? Thank you, Bob |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Hyundai just last week issued a bulletin for reprogramming the TCM on
2002-2003 2.7L V6 Sonatas. It addresses: --Reducing 2-3 shift flare during the first acceleration after a cold start. --Improving 1-2 and 2-3 shift quality --Speeding adaptive learning --Improving delayed shift feeling. This will likely address your issue. Call your dealer and mention that you found about TSB 04-40-006 for these issues and would like to know if they think it will help your issue. I figure that when your car was last in for service the dealer did not yet have this TSB, hence since the vehicle was driving like all other 2003 Sonatas, they indicated it was normal. I suspect they'll be happy to perform this reprogramming now that it is available to them. |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
In article <9e6f577ad09a7f3f97a982266ca41845@localhost.talkab outautos.com>, "hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hyundai just last week issued a bulletin for reprogramming the TCM on >2002-2003 2.7L V6 Sonatas. It addresses: >--Reducing 2-3 shift flare during the first acceleration after a cold >start. >--Improving 1-2 and 2-3 shift quality >--Speeding adaptive learning >--Improving delayed shift feeling. >This will likely address your issue. Call your dealer and mention that >you found about TSB 04-40-006 for these issues and would like to know if >they think it will help your issue. > >I figure that when your car was last in for service the dealer did not yet >have this TSB, hence since the vehicle was driving like all other 2003 >Sonatas, they indicated it was normal. I suspect they'll be happy to >perform this reprogramming now that it is available to them. http://www.hmaservice.com/recent/7/0.../04-40-007.pdf |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Hi Hyundaitech,
This is exactly the problem I'm been having and it sure looks like the TCM software upgrade will fix the problem. I called my dealer, Gartner Hyundai in Aurora, IL and they once again blew me off. The service advisor said neither Gartner service or the Hyundai representative had not able to confirm the delayed 2-3 up shift problem. With Gartner Hyundai attitude, I called Pugi Hyundai in Downer Grove, IL and they were very responsive and I have an appointment for next Thursday for the upgrade. Thanks again for the quick reply. I will let you know how it the shift pattern performs after having the vehicle serviced. Bob "hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9e6f577ad09a7f3f97a982266ca41845@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > Hyundai just last week issued a bulletin for reprogramming the TCM on > 2002-2003 2.7L V6 Sonatas. It addresses: > --Reducing 2-3 shift flare during the first acceleration after a cold > start. > --Improving 1-2 and 2-3 shift quality > --Speeding adaptive learning > --Improving delayed shift feeling. > This will likely address your issue. Call your dealer and mention that > you found about TSB 04-40-006 for these issues and would like to know if > they think it will help your issue. > > I figure that when your car was last in for service the dealer did not yet > have this TSB, hence since the vehicle was driving like all other 2003 > Sonatas, they indicated it was normal. I suspect they'll be happy to > perform this reprogramming now that it is available to them. > |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Do you know if the upgrade applies also on Sonata 2.7 year 2001 (made in
2001) sold in Italy? Zotto |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
"Robert John" has two first names:
> Hi Hyundaitech, > This is exactly the problem I'm been having and it sure looks like the > TCM software upgrade will fix the problem. I called my dealer, Gartner > Hyundai in Aurora, IL and they once again blew me off. The service > advisor said neither Gartner service or the Hyundai representative had > not able to confirm the delayed 2-3 up shift problem. With Gartner > Hyundai attitude, I called Pugi Hyundai in Downer Grove, IL and they > were very responsive and I have an appointment for next Thursday for > the upgrade. Thanks again for the quick reply. I will let you know how > it the shift pattern performs after having the vehicle serviced. > Bob Dang. I've had good luck with Gartner hyundai, it's where I bought my 01 elantra. I've only taken the car to them once though, for a rainwater leak onto the passenger side floor. They fixed it quickly and gave me a loaner car. No other problems in 60k miles though, knock on wood... Good to have the warning about my local dealer though. Ben |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
I have this exact same problem in my 03 Elantra.
But sometimes it acts like it slips between 2nd and 3rd. Dealer also blew me off because they couldn't recreate it. Idea's? "hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9e6f577ad09a7f3f97a982266ca41845@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > Hyundai just last week issued a bulletin for reprogramming the TCM on > 2002-2003 2.7L V6 Sonatas. It addresses: > --Reducing 2-3 shift flare during the first acceleration after a cold > start. > --Improving 1-2 and 2-3 shift quality > --Speeding adaptive learning > --Improving delayed shift feeling. > This will likely address your issue. Call your dealer and mention that > you found about TSB 04-40-006 for these issues and would like to know if > they think it will help your issue. > > I figure that when your car was last in for service the dealer did not yet > have this TSB, hence since the vehicle was driving like all other 2003 > Sonatas, they indicated it was normal. I suspect they'll be happy to > perform this reprogramming now that it is available to them. > |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Gartner has been very responsive to my pass problems and had always provided
a loaner. The service advisor being negative about resolving the up-shift problem after I presented TSB information surprised me. I'm sure it was because I have asked for this problem to be fixed for many months. I feel getting only 15 to a maximum of 16 mpg is caused by the transaxle staying is 2nd for so long contributed to the low mileage. When I checked my phone messages this morning I had a message from Gartner stating they would perform the software as a customer satisfaction issue but they felt it would not solve my 2-3 up-shift problem because of the 25 mph speed limit in town. We will have to wait and see what happens. Bob "Richard Dreyfuss" <jquimby@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns94D4BE98BFFE8jquimbyhotmailcom@207.115.63. 158... > "Robert John" has two first names: > > > Hi Hyundaitech, > > This is exactly the problem I'm been having and it sure looks like the > > TCM software upgrade will fix the problem. I called my dealer, Gartner > > Hyundai in Aurora, IL and they once again blew me off. The service > > advisor said neither Gartner service or the Hyundai representative had > > not able to confirm the delayed 2-3 up shift problem. With Gartner > > Hyundai attitude, I called Pugi Hyundai in Downer Grove, IL and they > > were very responsive and I have an appointment for next Thursday for > > the upgrade. Thanks again for the quick reply. I will let you know how > > it the shift pattern performs after having the vehicle serviced. > > Bob > > Dang. I've had good luck with Gartner hyundai, it's where I bought my 01 > elantra. I've only taken the car to them once though, for a rainwater leak > onto the passenger side floor. They fixed it quickly and gave me a loaner > car. No other problems in 60k miles though, knock on wood... > > Good to have the warning about my local dealer though. > > Ben |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Perhaps you should make Pugi Hyundai your regular service center. Gartner
doesn't seem to care very much. I know if someone brought their car in and could enumerate the conditions their car was displaying and they were the same as those in a TSB for reprogramming, then I'd do it whether I duplicated them or not. It's obvious you weren't making them up off the bulletin since you have been complaining about the issue prior to the bulletin's issue. |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
I find no similar info for 2001 Sonatas, but my info applies only to US
models. |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
I find no similar info on 03 Elantra. There is a TSB which indicates that
the dealer should go through a relearn procedure if they can duplicate the condition. You may have an internal transmission issue, but the dealer will need to duplicate the condition to make an accurate diagnosis. |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
"hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:7911f192f8713520e29cc52f87aa69a1@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > I find no similar info for 2001 Sonatas, but my info applies only to US > models. > TKS :) Zotto |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
I guess transmission problem is a general common problem in all Hyundai
models. I have Accent GL, 2001 with 38,000 and get sane problem in spite of my regular service at Hyndai service station. I have given up hope, and people are telling me this is "normal". So I do believe that transmission problem is a "normal" thing for all Hyumdai models. You have to live with it, just like you live with bad roads. Sudip On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, hyundaitech wrote: > I find no similar info on 03 Elantra. There is a TSB which indicates that > the dealer should go through a relearn procedure if they can duplicate the > condition. You may have an internal transmission issue, but the dealer > will need to duplicate the condition to make an accurate diagnosis. > > |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Once upon a time, Hyundai had numerous transmission problems and failures.
This is not so anymore. I've gone from replacing about one transmission every couple weeks in the nineties to one every month or two. At issue here is whether there is an actual transmission problem or whether the transmission is doing something as designed that the driver dislikes. Being short on details as to the exact specifics to the later cases presented here, I'm left unable to provide any opinion on whether the vehicle is or is not behaving normally. If you've had the vehicle to the dealer and they've been able to duplicate the condition and still think it's normal, it probably is (short of new reprograms such as the one referenced above to address the issue). If you've received the "normal" response and are not satisfied, take your car to another dealer for a second opinion. Do not tell them about your visits elsewhere; let them reach their own conclusion. Also, do not confuse "unable to duplicate" with "normal." "Unable to duplicate" simply means that the repair facility was unable to make the condition happen and was unable to find any problem which might cause it to happen. It does not indicate that there is no problem, just that it wasn't present when they inspected the vehicle, and that they cannot recommend any repair for this reason. |
Re: 2003 Sonata 2-3 up shift problem
Thought I'd throw in a comment here also---
I have a 2004 Sonata GLS which has performed flawlessly since delivery---except for the "peculiarity" that you have experienced. My Sonata has the delayed 2-3 upshift occurrence also; it's only from cold starts and disappears after the first 1/2 to 1 mile of driving, or at the point of the first 2-3 upshift, whichever comes first. It then behaves normally. As a side note, my car was delivered to me from the dealer 1/2 to 3/4 of a quart low on transmission fluid----after adding the proper Hyundai SP-III fluid to the tranny, the occurrence seemed to become better (by that, I mean that RPM's did not get as high and the "flare" not as severe before the upshift occurred). My personal feelings are that this is normal for Hyundai automatics, as I traded a 2002 Elantra GLS for this car, and the Elantra had the same anomaly. However, the referenced TSB's in this thread do not seem to apply to '04 models (correct me if wrong). "hyundaitech" <howitsac@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:441ef3f631de7dfca7c9ff59c169913a@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com... > Once upon a time, Hyundai had numerous transmission problems and failures. > This is not so anymore. I've gone from replacing about one transmission > every couple weeks in the nineties to one every month or two. > > At issue here is whether there is an actual transmission problem or > whether the transmission is doing something as designed that the driver > dislikes. Being short on details as to the exact specifics to the later > cases presented here, I'm left unable to provide any opinion on whether > the vehicle is or is not behaving normally. If you've had the vehicle to > the dealer and they've been able to duplicate the condition and still > think it's normal, it probably is (short of new reprograms such as the one > referenced above to address the issue). If you've received the "normal" > response and are not satisfied, take your car to another dealer for a > second opinion. Do not tell them about your visits elsewhere; let them > reach their own conclusion. Also, do not confuse "unable to duplicate" > with "normal." "Unable to duplicate" simply means that the repair > facility was unable to make the condition happen and was unable to find > any problem which might cause it to happen. It does not indicate that > there is no problem, just that it wasn't present when they inspected the > vehicle, and that they cannot recommend any repair for this reason. > |
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