Michael

2004 Hyundai Sonata, 47000 miles, 4 cyl. Was told by the dealership that a
new flywheel was needed ($1100) and possibly a new flywheel ($1400). No
coverage on warranty because it is considered "normal" wear and tear.

Question, has anyone else experienced as issue like this one with a Hyundai?
My feeling is that I should have gotten more mileage out of that clutch. I
don't ride it or do anything funky. My other vehicle is a 1994 Jeep
Wrangler - that clutch lasted 75000 miles, and that's with going off-road,
drive through sand, and just beating the crap out of it.

I would appreciate any feedback you might have. My personal opinion is that
the Hyundai warranty is misleading.

M

hyundaitech

Here are the clutch warranties:

Wear: 12 months/12,000 miles
Defect: 10 years/100,000 miles (original owner), 5 years/60,000 miles
(subsequent owners).


If it's just slipping, it's probably only a wear issue. If you have some
other odd concern, the chance of a defect goes up. What are the symptoms?

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Michael

The clutch would engage when the pedal was nearly fully let out. Once
engaged, it took a long time to build up speed.

According to Hyundai, it was not a defect, only normal wear and tear. The
car was driven normally, nothing rough or speedy. Also according to Hyundai,
normal wear and tear is not covered by the warranty. I just find it hard to
believe there's nothing wrong with the clutch with it only lasting 47000
miles. I've taken it to a private mechanic who, after taking it apart, found
wear marks on the inside of the clutch housing, as if the assembly was loose
and rubbing against the housing. He also said that nothing seemed out of
balance or warped.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> Here are the clutch warranties:
>
> Wear: 12 months/12,000 miles
> Defect: 10 years/100,000 miles (original owner), 5 years/60,000 miles
> (subsequent owners).
>
>
> If it's just slipping, it's probably only a wear issue. If you have some
> other odd concern, the chance of a defect goes up. What are the symptoms?
>
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> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>

Disgruntled

I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you sue
them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an assembly
defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are well
aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car from
them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue them.
Good luck.

"Michael" <gbg4jax@gmail.com> wrote:
>The clutch would engage when the pedal was nearly fully let out. Once
>engaged, it took a long time to build up speed.
>
>According to Hyundai, it was not a defect, only normal wear and tear. The
>car was driven normally, nothing rough or speedy. Also according to Hyundai,
>normal wear and tear is not covered by the warranty. I just find it hard to
>believe there's nothing wrong with the clutch with it only lasting 47000
>miles. I've taken it to a private mechanic who, after taking it apart, found
>wear marks on the inside of the clutch housing, as if the assembly was loose
>and rubbing against the housing. He also said that nothing seemed out of
>balance or warped.
>
>"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
>news:2d4f539fb5ca12c602cc060c95a4beb5@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com...
>> Here are the clutch warranties:
>>
>> Wear: 12 months/12,000 miles
>> Defect: 10 years/100,000 miles (original owner), 5 years/60,000 miles
>> (subsequent owners).
>>
>>
>> If it's just slipping, it's probably only a wear issue. If you have some
>> other odd concern, the chance of a defect goes up. What are the symptoms?
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
>> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>>

Disgruntled

I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you sue
them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an assembly
defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are well
aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car from
them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue them.
Good luck.

"Michael" <gbg4jax@gmail.com> wrote:
>The clutch would engage when the pedal was nearly fully let out. Once
>engaged, it took a long time to build up speed.
>
>According to Hyundai, it was not a defect, only normal wear and tear. The
>car was driven normally, nothing rough or speedy. Also according to Hyundai,
>normal wear and tear is not covered by the warranty. I just find it hard to
>believe there's nothing wrong with the clutch with it only lasting 47000
>miles. I've taken it to a private mechanic who, after taking it apart, found
>wear marks on the inside of the clutch housing, as if the assembly was loose
>and rubbing against the housing. He also said that nothing seemed out of
>balance or warped.
>
>"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
>news:2d4f539fb5ca12c602cc060c95a4beb5@localhost.t alkaboutautos.com...
>> Here are the clutch warranties:
>>
>> Wear: 12 months/12,000 miles
>> Defect: 10 years/100,000 miles (original owner), 5 years/60,000 miles
>> (subsequent owners).
>>
>>
>> If it's just slipping, it's probably only a wear issue. If you have some
>> other odd concern, the chance of a defect goes up. What are the symptoms?
>>
>> --
>> Message posted using
>> http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/alt.autos.hyundai/
>> More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html
>>

Matt Whiting

Disgruntled wrote:
> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you sue
> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an assembly
> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are well
> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car from
> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue them.

So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
trustworthy person.

Matt

Edwin Pawlowski

"Disgruntled" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
newsart1of1.1.WJ5IKhkPvT%23YbQ@ue.ph...
>I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them
>to
> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus
> my
> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement.

So now you have to pay?

Disgruntled

I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is so
astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a fine
judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by reading
newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to good
use and you must have many friends and admirers.

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Disgruntled wrote:
>> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
>> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
>> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you
>>sue
>> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
>> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
>> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an
>>assembly
>> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are
>>well
>> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
>> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car
>>from
>> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue
>>them.
>
>So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
>you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
>means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
>trustworthy person.
>
>Matt

Vic Garcia

Disgruntled wrote:
> I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is so
> astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a fine
> judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by reading
> newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
> such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to good
> use and you must have many friends and admirers.
>
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>> Disgruntled wrote:
>>
>>> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
>>> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
>>> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you
>>> sue
>>> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
>>> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
>>> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an
>>> assembly
>>> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are
>>> well
>>> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
>>> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car
>>>
>> >from
>>
>>> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue
>>> them.
>>>
>> So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
>> you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
>> means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
>> trustworthy person.
>>
>> Matt
>>
Well, after reading your post, and the response to Matt post, I do agree
100% with Matt, you are totally UN-trustworthy, self-centered, and
probably not too smart.

Disgruntled

You and Matt have a lot in common. You ought to start a club. I'm sure it
will be very exclusive. You're right that I'm not as smart as you. You're not
only a judge of character, but also of intelligence.

Vic Garcia <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote:
>Disgruntled wrote:
>> I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is
>>so
>> astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a
>>fine
>> judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by reading
>> newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
>> such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to
>>good
>> use and you must have many friends and admirers.
>>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Disgruntled wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them
>>>>to
>>>> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus
>>>>my
>>>> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you
>>>> sue
>>>> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
>>>> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
>>>> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an
>>>> assembly
>>>> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are
>>>> well
>>>> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
>>>> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car
>>>>
>>> >from
>>>
>>>> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>> So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
>>> you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
>>> means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
>>> trustworthy person.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>Well, after reading your post, and the response to Matt post, I do agree
>100% with Matt, you are totally UN-trustworthy, self-centered, and
>probably not too smart.

Pit's

On Feb 19, 2:17 pm, Vic Garcia <VicGar...@at-gmail.com> wrote:
> Disgruntled wrote:
> > I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is so
> > astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a fine
> > judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by reading
> > newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
> > such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to good
> > use and you must have many friends and admirers.
>
> > Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>
> >> Disgruntled wrote:
>
> >>> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took them to
> >>> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs, plus my
> >>> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you
> >>> sue
> >>> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints and
> >>> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
> >>> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an
> >>> assembly
> >>> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are
> >>> well
> >>> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
> >>> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another car
>
> >> >from
>
> >>> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue
> >>> them.
>
> >> So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
> >> you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
> >> means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
> >> trustworthy person.
>
> >> Matt
>
> Well, after reading your post, and the response to Matt post, I do agree
> 100% with Matt, you are totally UN-trustworthy, self-centered, and
> probably not too smart.

That gets my vote also .
look bloke ---------- you just violated a non disclosure agreement -
live with it and stop bleating and farting like a gut shot donkey .

Matt Whiting

Disgruntled wrote:
> I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is so
> astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a fine
> judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by reading
> newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
> such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to good
> use and you must have many friends and admirers.

So, you aren't denying that I'm right? I didn't need to read the
agreement. The content of your post combined with your attempt to
remain anonymous was all the information required.

Matt

Matt Whiting

Disgruntled wrote:
> You and Matt have a lot in common. You ought to start a club. I'm sure it
> will be very exclusive. You're right that I'm not as smart as you. You're not
> only a judge of character, but also of intelligence.

You make it quite easy actually.

Matt

Disgruntled

I suggest you read Michael's original post - you know, the one that asked for
feedback because he believed that Hyundai was acting in a deceptive manner.
That's what newsgroups are all about - responding to requests for information;
you would be wise to think about that before trying to stifle a reply to
someone else's request for feedback.

And on't worry, I am moving on, bloke. That'll keep this group more
homogenous, so you won't have to read comments you don't like and therefore
judge as untrustworthy. G'day.

"Pit's" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 2:17 pm, Vic Garcia <VicGar...@at-gmail.com> wrote:
>> Disgruntled wrote:
>> > I guess you read the agreement between Hyundai and me and your judgment is
>> >so
>> > astute that you can determine there was a violation. You're also such a
>> >fine
>> > judge of character that you can determine who is trustworthy just by
>> >reading
>> > newsgroup postings. It must be wonderful being you and being able to reach
>> > such perfectly accurate conclusions. I'm sure you put your omniscience to
>> >good
>> > use and you must have many friends and admirers.
>>
>> > Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Disgruntled wrote:
>>
>> >>> I had exactly the same problem, got the runaround from Hyundai, took
>> >>>them to
>> >>> small claims court, and settled with them for the full repair costs,
>> >>>plus my
>> >>> costs of suit. They also made me sign a nondisclose agreement. Once you
>> >>> sue
>> >>> them, in discovery, you can require them to reveal defects, complaints
>> >>>and
>> >>> clutch/flywheel repair statistics. Since the repair, I have put on an
>> >>> additional 60K miles without a problem. My guess is that there was an
>> >>> assembly
>> >>> defect (such as greasy on the assembly, or defective parts) that they are
>> >>> well
>> >>> aware of. I know of others who have had the same problem as well. My
>> >>> experience with Hyundai America is the reason I will never buy another
>> >>>car
>>
>> >> >from
>>
>> >>> them. On this issue, Hyundai only seems to resolve the issue if you sue
>> >>> them.
>>
>> >> So you are now violating an agreement you signed, right? That places
>> >> you on the same level as Hyundai (actually, lower in my opinion) and
>> >> means that anything you say likely can't be trusted as you aren't a
>> >> trustworthy person.
>>
>> >> Matt
>>
>> Well, after reading your post, and the response to Matt post, I do agree
>> 100% with Matt, you are totally UN-trustworthy, self-centered, and
>> probably not too smart.
>
>That gets my vote also .
>look bloke ---------- you just violated a non disclosure agreement -
>live with it and stop bleating and farting like a gut shot donkey .

Mike Marlow

"Michael" <gbg4jax@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j2ouj.86094$N67.56485@bignews5.bellsouth.net. ..
> The clutch would engage when the pedal was nearly fully let out. Once
> engaged, it took a long time to build up speed.
>
> According to Hyundai, it was not a defect, only normal wear and tear. The
> car was driven normally, nothing rough or speedy. Also according to
> Hyundai,
> normal wear and tear is not covered by the warranty. I just find it hard
> to
> believe there's nothing wrong with the clutch with it only lasting 47000
> miles. I've taken it to a private mechanic who, after taking it apart,
> found
> wear marks on the inside of the clutch housing, as if the assembly was
> loose
> and rubbing against the housing. He also said that nothing seemed out of
> balance or warped.

If the clutch and pressure plate were rubbing on the casing you would
certainly have known it for those 47,000 miles.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net