over65@cfl.rr.com

fog lamps

is there a way to have them ON all the time

i would assume it is just a matter of identifying which wire in the
bundle needs to be dropped to ground

hyundaitech

On Nov 20, 8:48 am, ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> fog lamps
>
> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>
> i would assume it is just a matter of identifying which wire in the
> bundle needs to be dropped to ground

There'll be a blue wire running between pins 10 and 13 of the light
switch connector. If you cut the wire and attach the pin 13 end to
ground, the fog lamp switch will work independently of the headlamp
switch setting.

over65@cfl.rr.com

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:43:08 -0800 (PST), hyundaitech
<hyundaimech@gmail.com> wrote:


thank you very much


>On Nov 20, 8:48 am, ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>> fog lamps
>>
>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>>
>> i would assume it is just a matter of identifying which wire in the
>> bundle needs to be dropped to ground
>
>There'll be a blue wire running between pins 10 and 13 of the light
>switch connector. If you cut the wire and attach the pin 13 end to
>ground, the fog lamp switch will work independently of the headlamp
>switch setting.

over65@cfl.rr.com

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:43:08 -0800 (PST), hyundaitech
<hyundaimech@gmail.com> wrote:


thank you very much


>On Nov 20, 8:48 am, ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>> fog lamps
>>
>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>>
>> i would assume it is just a matter of identifying which wire in the
>> bundle needs to be dropped to ground
>
>There'll be a blue wire running between pins 10 and 13 of the light
>switch connector. If you cut the wire and attach the pin 13 end to
>ground, the fog lamp switch will work independently of the headlamp
>switch setting.

Richard Steinfeld

over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>
> fog lamps
>
> is there a way to have them ON all the time

Why?

Richard

over65@cfl.rr.com

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 -0800, Richard Steinfeld
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:

>over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>>
>> fog lamps
>>
>> is there a way to have them ON all the time

>
more light


>Why?
>
>Richard

Richard Steinfeld

over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 -0800, Richard Steinfeld
> <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>
>> over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>>> fog lamps
>>>
>>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>
> more light
>
>
Am I missing something, or doesn't this blind oncoming drivers?
This is getting more important to me as I get older.

Richard

Ed Pawlowski

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote in
message news:Juudnbs6a6VGFpHWnZ2dnUVZ_gZi4p2d@posted.sonic net...
> over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 -0800, Richard Steinfeld
>> <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>>
>>> over65@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>>>> fog lamps
>>>>
>>>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>>
>> more light
>>
>>
> Am I missing something, or doesn't this blind oncoming drivers? This is
> getting more important to me as I get older.
>
> Richard

They don't blind other drivers, but the don't give off much light aside from
the low level directly in front of the car. Designed to cut through fog,
they do very little under normal driving conditions.

The normal low beams on the car are OK on level roads. They are precisely
aimed to concentrate the light in the path of the car. The downside though,
is they give little light to the periphery and on a twisting hilly road, you
need the high beams to see properly. That is OK if you are the only car,
but with oncoming traffic you are switching them on and off very frequently.

Some people think they look cool. Aside from that, there is no good reason
to have them on unless you are in fog.

Best headlights ever was my '97 Buick. Rarely needed the high beams under
any conditions.

hyundaitech

On Nov 24, 8:43 pm, Richard Steinfeld
<rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
> ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 -0800, Richard Steinfeld
> > <rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>
> >> ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> >>> fog lamps
>
> >>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>
> > more light
>
> Am I missing something, or doesn't this blind oncoming drivers?
> This is getting more important to me as I get older.
>
> Richard

If they're aimed properly, no. I'd need to reread the manual for the
specific aiming criteria in my state, but at the very least, the top
of the beam is allowed to be no higher than horizontal. Of course, if
they're not aimed correctly, they could easily blind drivers.

Richard Steinfeld

hyundaitech wrote:
> On Nov 24, 8:43 pm, Richard Steinfeld
> <rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>> ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:02:17 -0800, Richard Steinfeld
>>> <rgsteinBUTREMOVET...@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>>>> ove...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
>>>>> fog lamps
>>>>> is there a way to have them ON all the time
>>> more light
>> Am I missing something, or doesn't this blind oncoming drivers?
>> This is getting more important to me as I get older.
>>
>> Richard
>
> If they're aimed properly, no. I'd need to reread the manual for the
> specific aiming criteria in my state, but at the very least, the top
> of the beam is allowed to be no higher than horizontal. Of course, if
> they're not aimed correctly, they could easily blind drivers.

Oh, sorry guys. I must have been passing a brain stone.
I got them mixed up with driving lights.

Richard

Plague Boy

hyundaitech wrote:
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> If they're aimed properly, no. I'd need to reread the manual for the
> specific aiming criteria in my state, but at the very least, the top
> of the beam is allowed to be no higher than horizontal. Of course, if
> they're not aimed correctly, they could easily blind drivers.

I think this is the problem. These are the small, bright lights
close to the ground, in the air dam? About 50% of the cars with
these seem to have one light aimed so it's blinding. Maybe it's
something to do with the snowbanks during the winter, or curbs.

Anyhow, they are really annoying and I'm thinking the inspection
places don't bother to check them.

NYS requires an annual motor vehicle inspection. It does not
mean our roads are free from cars with mis-aimed headlights and
foglights, cracked/missing tail and brake light lenses, etc. I'd
hate to live in one of the states that doesn't require inspection....
--
PB
"I suspect you're an arrogant little pissant who grew up in the
Red Bull generation." - CJW

Ed Pawlowski

"Plague Boy" <plague_boy@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> NYS requires an annual motor vehicle inspection. It does not mean our
> roads are free from cars with mis-aimed headlights and foglights,
> cracked/missing tail and brake light lenses, etc. I'd hate to live in one
> of the states that doesn't require inspection....

I do and the cars are no better or no worse than the ones that have
inspection.

I've lived in both. If private garages do the inspection you can expect a
lot of fraud either skipping over needed repairs or telling people they need
work when they don't. We had three cars in the house and at one shop, each
needed headlight adjustment, next inspection each needed a wiper blade, at
the next inspection each needed something else. They sold a $10 make a
quick buck service but did not properly check ball joints, steering arm
bushings, drag link, etc. That is why I went there as a teenager because
the cars needed a lot of work that would have cost hundreds.

PA was the worst I've encountered, NJ was done by the state but if a woman
wore a low cut blouse the car may pass.

Eric G.

"Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
news:AdGdnRhIxKSUxozWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@giganews.com :

> PA was the worst I've encountered, NJ was done by the state but if a
> woman
> wore a low cut blouse the car may pass.

As corrupt as NJ is portrayed, the inspection system just isn't one of
those places where it actually happens.

As an example, the place where I work had me take a 1987 Dodge Snow
Commander for inspection. It was in horrible condition. Never should have
passed but it did...with no questions asked. Even our auto mechanic at
work was in shock. The next day I wook my own personal '88 Chevy pickup to
the same station...same line...same technician. It failed for four
different things. And it was actually in almost excellent condition.

The only difference I could see is the guy probably had a bad night the
night before and was just in a mood.

Eric

hyundaitech

On Nov 28, 12:46 pm, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAn...@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote innews:AdGdnRhIxKSUxozWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@giganews.c om:
>
> > PA was the worst I've encountered, NJ was done by the state but if a
> > woman
> > wore a low cut blouse the car may pass.
>
> As corrupt as NJ is portrayed, the inspection system just isn't one of
> those places where it actually happens.
>
> As an example, the place where I work had me take a 1987 Dodge Snow
> Commander for inspection. It was in horrible condition. Never should have
> passed but it did...with no questions asked. Even our auto mechanic at
> work was in shock. The next day I wook my own personal '88 Chevy pickup to
> the same station...same line...same technician. It failed for four
> different things. And it was actually in almost excellent condition.
>
> The only difference I could see is the guy probably had a bad night the
> night before and was just in a mood.
>
> Eric

Keep in mind state inspections are a strange bird. If most states are
like mine, the regulations are outdated and don't necessarily make
sense. The inspection should be about safety, but sometimes it
isn't. As examples:

Wipers must work on all speeds, park properly, and cannot be torn, but
do not need to actually clear the windshield.
Excessive battery corrosion fails inspection.
Catalytic converter must be present and properly connected.

I list these as examples because things that aren't safety related
fail inspection, yet some things that are safety related don't. The
state trooper who gave me the practical examination actually said to
me: "It doesn't have to make sense. It's the law." And herein lies
the problem. State inspections are based in law, not necessarily
common sense.

John

In Australia we have the same bizarre inspections. Took my 70 Beetle in for
a check and the bloke was counting rust spots on the headlight reflector.
The very same bloke who passed a mates beetle that had no fuel clamps on its
fuel lines. (ie carby and puel pump adjacent to distributor, on top of hot
exhaust).
Very true statement from other contributor, "State Inspections are based in
law, not common sense".