2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
07-30-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
GeoUSA wrote:
> Matt, Glad you are enjoying the Sonata. Great fuel economy -- I
> somewhat regreat not buying the inline four GLS. A thought about the
> unsolved dash rattle you mention. I had a similar one that took some
> time to locate. Mine sounded like it originated in the glovebox area.
> Turns out it was the wood/black trim running across the dash (divides
> the top and bottom colors). It was not properly seated (most likely
> when an audio installer pulled the head unit to connect an amp). This
> piece is accessed/removed with screws visible when the glovebox is
> open.
Mine sounds like it is coming from the glovebox also so it may be the
same thing. I plan to have the dealer take a look at it again this
winter when it happens more repeatably.
> I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
> Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
> idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
Yes, I'm surprised also as I've had exceptional mileage in the past from
Michelins.
Matt
> Matt, Glad you are enjoying the Sonata. Great fuel economy -- I
> somewhat regreat not buying the inline four GLS. A thought about the
> unsolved dash rattle you mention. I had a similar one that took some
> time to locate. Mine sounded like it originated in the glovebox area.
> Turns out it was the wood/black trim running across the dash (divides
> the top and bottom colors). It was not properly seated (most likely
> when an audio installer pulled the head unit to connect an amp). This
> piece is accessed/removed with screws visible when the glovebox is
> open.
Mine sounds like it is coming from the glovebox also so it may be the
same thing. I plan to have the dealer take a look at it again this
winter when it happens more repeatably.
> I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
> Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
> idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
Yes, I'm surprised also as I've had exceptional mileage in the past from
Michelins.
Matt
07-30-2006, 03:50 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Eric G. wrote:
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
07-30-2006, 03:50 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Eric G. wrote:
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
07-30-2006, 03:50 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Eric G. wrote:
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>
>
> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too many
> people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This is my third
> car with them and I've had to replace them at between 20-25K miles on all.
> Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage, but once you hit 1/2 of the
> tread life on just about any Michelin, you will notice a dramatic decrease
> in traction, especially in the rain or snow.
That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for 40K,
but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
Matt
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
07-30-2006, 05:45 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
news:J38zg.116$Db4.10260@news1.epix.net:
> Eric G. wrote:
>
>> "GeoUSA" <GeoUSofA@gmail.com> wrote in news:1154277526.176177.98370
>> @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I'm surprised to hear your Michelins are wearing quickly. Michelin
>>>Energy tires are known to be fairly hard and long-lived. It's a good
>>>idea to report it to your dealer and have them check the alignment.
>>
>>
>> These tires are rated high, but always wear fast. I can't find too
>> many people that managed to get the expected wear out of them. This
>> is my third car with them and I've had to replace them at between
>> 20-25K miles on all. Mind you, they were't worn out at that mileage,
>> but once you hit 1/2 of the tread life on just about any Michelin,
>> you will notice a dramatic decrease in traction, especially in the
>> rain or snow.
>
> That sounds about like the trajactory I'm on. I'm still hoping for
> 40K, but I suspect I'll be lucky to get 30K.
>
>
> Matt
On my last Elantra, at about 25k on the tires, we had a long dry spell.
The tires were still great until it rained. I almost lost control a few
times that day, but figured it was just all the oil on the road from
such a long dry spell. Three more good rain events and they were still
like driving on slicks. I bought a set of Dunlops that wore down to the
wear indicators (about 50,000 miles) and never had a problem like that.
Eric
07-30-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
I had a friend with a Honda Accord that had his oil changed at the dealer
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
07-30-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
I had a friend with a Honda Accord that had his oil changed at the dealer
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
07-30-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
I had a friend with a Honda Accord that had his oil changed at the dealer
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
and the gasket stayed on the engine. They didn't catch it and by the time
he got to work, the oil 'idiot' light came on due to lack of oil pressure.
The second gasket had blown out and dumped the oil. The dealer gave him an
extra 3 years warrantee on the engine.
Tom
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> news:jBSyg.98$Db4.7317@news1.epix.net...
>>
>>
>>>4. Another first for me ... the oil filter gasket didn't come off with
>>>the oil filter. I didn't notice this when I pulled off the filter as I
>>>immediately turned it upside down and let it drain into the pan.
>>>Fortunately, I always wipe the gasket flange with a paper towel before
>>>installing the new filter. The old gasket came off with the paper
>>>towel. I'm really glad it came off! I've changed my own oil for 30+
>>>years using a wide range of filters, including early on the now infamous
>>>Fram filters, and I've NEVER had this happen. Makes me question the
>>>quality of Hyundai brand filters. The gasket is differently shaped than
>>> most other filters and it appears to not be crimped in very well.
>>>Anyone else have this happen?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I have had this happen to me one time in my life Matt. I don't remember
>> what type of filter it was though. I don't worry much about this kind of
>> thing though. If the gasket is doing its job there will be no leaks and
>> that's all that it is there for. If it does not come off with the
>> filter,
>> then that does become something I have to watch for in changing the
>> filter,
>> but not something that concerns me at all from a functionality
>> standpoint.
>> I would not find this to be a quality concern.
>
> I always wipe the flange so I should always catch this, but the fact that
> the gasket comes off of the filter at removal is a quality issue to me.
> The part isn't designed to do that, and anything it does that violates the
> design intent is a part failure. And it greatly increases the chance that
> a new filter will get put on top of an old gasket and that will almost
> guarantee a serious oil leak. The hope then is that it gets caught in
> time.
>
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm curious
> now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll switch to
> NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I have a whole
> case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost gaskets or not!
>
>
> Matt
07-30-2006, 11:53 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
> curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
> switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
> have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
> gaskets or not!
>
Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
07-30-2006, 11:53 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
> curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
> switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
> have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
> gaskets or not!
>
Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
07-30-2006, 11:53 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
> I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
> gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
> isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
> curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
> switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
> have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
> gaskets or not!
>
Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
07-31-2006, 06:33 AM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>
>>I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
>>gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
>>isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
>>curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
>>switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
>>have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
>>gaskets or not!
>>
>
>
> Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
> issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
> You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
> by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
Having worked in a Fortune 500 company for many moons and growing up
with TQM, this is easily a quality problem. Quality is defined by most
quality professionals as "meeting the requirements." I'm not aware of
any requirement for an oil filter to leave its gasket behind on the
engine. Very few parts are designed to come apart during or after use.
Since I'm pretty sure this oil filter wasn't designed to leave its
gasket on the engine, when it does so, that is a failure.
Whether a failure of a part causes a greater failure of another part
isn't relevant to whether the first part has experienced a failure or
not. I agree that it is easy to mitigate the filter failure with some
careful attention, but that doesn't change the face that the Hyundai
filter failed.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>
>>I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
>>gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
>>isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
>>curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
>>switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
>>have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
>>gaskets or not!
>>
>
>
> Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
> issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
> You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
> by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
Having worked in a Fortune 500 company for many moons and growing up
with TQM, this is easily a quality problem. Quality is defined by most
quality professionals as "meeting the requirements." I'm not aware of
any requirement for an oil filter to leave its gasket behind on the
engine. Very few parts are designed to come apart during or after use.
Since I'm pretty sure this oil filter wasn't designed to leave its
gasket on the engine, when it does so, that is a failure.
Whether a failure of a part causes a greater failure of another part
isn't relevant to whether the first part has experienced a failure or
not. I agree that it is easy to mitigate the filter failure with some
careful attention, but that doesn't change the face that the Hyundai
filter failed.
Matt
07-31-2006, 06:33 AM
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Re: 2006 Sonata hits 10,000 miles - a few observations
Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>
>>I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
>>gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
>>isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
>>curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
>>switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
>>have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
>>gaskets or not!
>>
>
>
> Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
> issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
> You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
> by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
Having worked in a Fortune 500 company for many moons and growing up
with TQM, this is easily a quality problem. Quality is defined by most
quality professionals as "meeting the requirements." I'm not aware of
any requirement for an oil filter to leave its gasket behind on the
engine. Very few parts are designed to come apart during or after use.
Since I'm pretty sure this oil filter wasn't designed to leave its
gasket on the engine, when it does so, that is a failure.
Whether a failure of a part causes a greater failure of another part
isn't relevant to whether the first part has experienced a failure or
not. I agree that it is easy to mitigate the filter failure with some
careful attention, but that doesn't change the face that the Hyundai
filter failed.
Matt
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:7B1zg.100$Db4.7767@news1.epix.net...
>
>
>
>>I agree it doesn't affect the functionality of the filter that lost the
>>gasket, but it may affect the functionality of the next filter if this
>>isn't discovered. It is a failure and thus a quality lapse. I'm
>>curious now to see how often this happens. If it happens again, I'll
>>switch to NAPA or another filter brand whose quality I trust. But I
>>have a whole case of Hyundai filters so that will be a while, lost
>>gaskets or not!
>>
>
>
> Therein lies the difference in how we look at these things. I look at that
> issue as two separate parts that can come apart with no problem in my mind.
> You see them as a quality problem. Two different perspectives. Both solved
> by the same technique of paying attention to the job at hand.
Having worked in a Fortune 500 company for many moons and growing up
with TQM, this is easily a quality problem. Quality is defined by most
quality professionals as "meeting the requirements." I'm not aware of
any requirement for an oil filter to leave its gasket behind on the
engine. Very few parts are designed to come apart during or after use.
Since I'm pretty sure this oil filter wasn't designed to leave its
gasket on the engine, when it does so, that is a failure.
Whether a failure of a part causes a greater failure of another part
isn't relevant to whether the first part has experienced a failure or
not. I agree that it is easy to mitigate the filter failure with some
careful attention, but that doesn't change the face that the Hyundai
filter failed.
Matt