2006 Sonata Oil
 

I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06 Sonata GLS
V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be using 5w-20 oil for
this engine, but my receipt shows they put in 10w-30. Should I be worried
about this?

I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil (5w-
20) would be better.

Thanks.
Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:
> I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06 Sonata GLS
> V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be using 5w-20 oil for
> this engine, but my receipt shows they put in 10w-30. Should I be worried
> about this?

It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If the
engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting in it.
Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages and into
bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.

I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the heat
better. Big mistake.

> I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil (5w-
> 20) would be better.

You are correct.

Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If they
don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for the
oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.

One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They easily
last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own oil
changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having the
dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:
> I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06 Sonata GLS
> V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be using 5w-20 oil for
> this engine, but my receipt shows they put in 10w-30. Should I be worried
> about this?

It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If the
engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting in it.
Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages and into
bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.

I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the heat
better. Big mistake.

> I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil (5w-
> 20) would be better.

You are correct.

Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If they
don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for the
oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.

One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They easily
last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own oil
changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having the
dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:

> Eric G. wrote:
>> I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
>> Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
>> using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
>> 10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
>
> It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
> the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
> in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
> and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
>
> I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
> used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
> heat better. Big mistake.

Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?

>> I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
>> (5w- 20) would be better.
>
> You are correct.
>
> Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
> they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
> the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
> another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.

I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
going back on Monday to get them to change it.

FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.

> One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
> miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
> temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
> easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
> oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
> the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.

Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!

Thanks
Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:

> Eric G. wrote:
>> I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
>> Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
>> using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
>> 10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
>
> It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
> the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
> in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
> and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
>
> I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
> used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
> heat better. Big mistake.

Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?

>> I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
>> (5w- 20) would be better.
>
> You are correct.
>
> Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
> they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
> the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
> another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.

I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
going back on Monday to get them to change it.

FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.

> One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
> miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
> temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
> easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
> oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
> the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.

Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!

Thanks
Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:
> Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:
>
>
>>Eric G. wrote:
>>
>>>I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
>>>Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
>>>using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
>>>10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
>>
>>It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
>>the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
>>in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
>>and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
>>
>>I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
>>used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
>>heat better. Big mistake.
>
>
> Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
> also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?

The problem was poor oil flow to the turbocharger bearings, which
ultimately died. Luckily for me, I found good replacement turbo core in
a junkyard for $75, vs. ten times that for a new turbocharger.
>
>>>I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
>>>(5w- 20) would be better.
>>
>>You are correct.
>>
>>Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
>>they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
>>the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
>>another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.
>
>
> I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
> in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
> generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
> going back on Monday to get them to change it.

I was thinking the same thing, but it's also quite possible that they
stock one weight of oil that they can get away with using in every car
they service.

> FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
> dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
> maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.

Smart.

>>One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
>>miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
>>temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
>>easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
>>oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
>>the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.
>
>
> Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
> now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
> oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!

Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since every
Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:
> Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:
>
>
>>Eric G. wrote:
>>
>>>I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
>>>Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
>>>using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
>>>10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
>>
>>It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
>>the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
>>in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
>>and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
>>
>>I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
>>used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
>>heat better. Big mistake.
>
>
> Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
> also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?

The problem was poor oil flow to the turbocharger bearings, which
ultimately died. Luckily for me, I found good replacement turbo core in
a junkyard for $75, vs. ten times that for a new turbocharger.
>
>>>I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
>>>(5w- 20) would be better.
>>
>>You are correct.
>>
>>Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
>>they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
>>the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
>>another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.
>
>
> I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
> in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
> generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
> going back on Monday to get them to change it.

I was thinking the same thing, but it's also quite possible that they
stock one weight of oil that they can get away with using in every car
they service.

> FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
> dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
> maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.

Smart.

>>One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
>>miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
>>temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
>>easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
>>oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
>>the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.
>
>
> Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
> now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
> oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!

Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since every
Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vOlkf.1760$ad6.179@trndny08...
> Eric G. wrote:
> > Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
> > news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:
> >
> >
> >>Eric G. wrote:
> >>
> >>>I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
> >>>Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
> >>>using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
> >>>10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
> >>
> >>It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
> >>the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
> >>in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
> >>and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
> >>
> >>I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
> >>used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
> >>heat better. Big mistake.
> >
> >
> > Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
> > also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?
>
> The problem was poor oil flow to the turbocharger bearings, which
> ultimately died. Luckily for me, I found good replacement turbo core in
> a junkyard for $75, vs. ten times that for a new turbocharger.
> >
> >>>I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
> >>>(5w- 20) would be better.
> >>
> >>You are correct.
> >>
> >>Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
> >>they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
> >>the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
> >>another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.
> >
> >
> > I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
> > in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
> > generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
> > going back on Monday to get them to change it.
>
> I was thinking the same thing, but it's also quite possible that they
> stock one weight of oil that they can get away with using in every car
> they service.
>
> > FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
> > dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
> > maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.
>
> Smart.
>
> >>One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
> >>miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
> >>temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
> >>easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
> >>oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
> >>the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
> > now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
> > oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!
>
> Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
> quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since every
> Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.

http://www.hyundaiaccessorymall.com/filters?b=1

$10.95 is a little more reasonable.

Jon

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vOlkf.1760$ad6.179@trndny08...
> Eric G. wrote:
> > Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in
> > news:2vikf.524$Kg5.402@trndny06:
> >
> >
> >>Eric G. wrote:
> >>
> >>>I had my first oil change yesterday at the dealer. It's an '06
> >>>Sonata GLS V6. My owners manual clearly states that I should be
> >>>using 5w-20 oil for this engine, but my receipt shows they put in
> >>>10w-30. Should I be worried about this?
> >>
> >>It's not likely to damage anything, but it's not helpful, either. If
> >>the engine is designed for 5W oil, that's what they should be putting
> >>in it. Heavier oil takes longer to get through lubrication passages
> >>and into bearings. It also reduces fuel economy slightly.
> >>
> >>I learned about heavy oils the hard way years ago, when I mistakenly
> >>used 20W-50 in a turbocharged engine, thinking it would handle the
> >>heat better. Big mistake.
> >
> >
> > Ouch, that sounds painful on the turbo :-) Wouldn't the heavier oil
> > also raise oil pressure? Could that lead to a seal failure?
>
> The problem was poor oil flow to the turbocharger bearings, which
> ultimately died. Luckily for me, I found good replacement turbo core in
> a junkyard for $75, vs. ten times that for a new turbocharger.
> >
> >>>I would think that especially for the Winter season, the thinner oil
> >>>(5w- 20) would be better.
> >>
> >>You are correct.
> >>
> >>Go back and make them put the right oil in it. Watch them do it. If
> >>they don't have 5W-20 or 5W-30, tell them you want your money back for
> >>the oil, so you can buy your own and change it yourself. This is just
> >>another example of why it's good to do your own routine maintenance.
> >
> >
> > I can't get them until Monday, but I want to confirm that they DID put
> > in the higher viscosity oil, and that the receipt doesn't just show some
> > generic code. If they really did fill it with the 10w-30, I will be
> > going back on Monday to get them to change it.
>
> I was thinking the same thing, but it's also quite possible that they
> stock one weight of oil that they can get away with using in every car
> they service.
>
> > FWIW, I got this oil change for free, which is the only reason I let the
> > dealer do it. Since about 1990 or so, I have done all of my own
> > maintenance on all of our vehicles. This is just one example of why.
>
> Smart.
>
> >>One thing you might want to consider on your next oil change (7500
> >>miles) is to switch to synthetic oil. Synthetics flow better at low
> >>temperatures and provide superior protection at high temps. They
> >>easily last the recommended 7500 mile service interval. Doing your own
> >>oil changes with synthetic won't cost much, if any, more than having
> >>the dealer change it with (inferior) natural oil.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have right
> > now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no aftermarket
> > oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a filter!!
>
> Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
> quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since every
> Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.

http://www.hyundaiaccessorymall.com/filters?b=1

$10.95 is a little more reasonable.

Jon

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

"Zeppo" <zeppo_m<nospam>@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3vj6qtF16eo6hU1@individual.net:

>> > Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have
>> > right now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no
>> > aftermarket oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a
>> > filter!!
>>
>> Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
>> quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since
>> every Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.
>
> http://www.hyundaiaccessorymall.com/filters?b=1
>
> $10.95 is a little more reasonable.
>
> Jon

MUCH better. Thanks.

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

"Zeppo" <zeppo_m<nospam>@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3vj6qtF16eo6hU1@individual.net:

>> > Yes, I probably will switch over to synthetic. The problem I have
>> > right now is that becasue this Sonata is a new model, there are no
>> > aftermarket oil filters available yet. My dealer wants $18 for a
>> > filter!!
>>
>> Yikes! Check around at other dealers. Prices for parts seem to vary
>> quite a bit. It's interesting that the filter has changed, since
>> every Hyundai through '05 has used the same filter.
>
> http://www.hyundaiaccessorymall.com/filters?b=1
>
> $10.95 is a little more reasonable.
>
> Jon

MUCH better. Thanks.

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Just to follow up on this thread, I got into it BIG time with service
manager. He claims that using 5W20 oil will void my warranty. So I took a
trip over there to show him my manual. Now the manual does also say that
10W30 oil is acceptable down to 0 degrees F, but that 5W20 or 5W30 is the
preferred oil viscosity for my 3.3L motor.

He still did not believe me and said that was a misprint. So in front of
me he called Hyundai directly. Well, he at some nice crow that afternoon.

He also was nice enough to apologize for his rudeness and sent a helper to
get 6 quarts of Synthetic 5W20 for my car. When the helper returned, they
changed my oil and filter again (while I watched).

So that was probably about $30 worth of oil, plus a retail $18 oil filter,
AND they threw in another free oil change for my troubles.

After learning that I had purchased 5 cars from this dealer, and referred
people that purchased another 4 cars, the service guy completely changed
his tune. Amazing what that will do.

Anyway, even after all this, I will be doing all of my own maintenance
myself from now on. My car will see the dealer only for warranty items and
recalls.

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Just to follow up on this thread, I got into it BIG time with service
manager. He claims that using 5W20 oil will void my warranty. So I took a
trip over there to show him my manual. Now the manual does also say that
10W30 oil is acceptable down to 0 degrees F, but that 5W20 or 5W30 is the
preferred oil viscosity for my 3.3L motor.

He still did not believe me and said that was a misprint. So in front of
me he called Hyundai directly. Well, he at some nice crow that afternoon.

He also was nice enough to apologize for his rudeness and sent a helper to
get 6 quarts of Synthetic 5W20 for my car. When the helper returned, they
changed my oil and filter again (while I watched).

So that was probably about $30 worth of oil, plus a retail $18 oil filter,
AND they threw in another free oil change for my troubles.

After learning that I had purchased 5 cars from this dealer, and referred
people that purchased another 4 cars, the service guy completely changed
his tune. Amazing what that will do.

Anyway, even after all this, I will be doing all of my own maintenance
myself from now on. My car will see the dealer only for warranty items and
recalls.

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:

> Anyway, even after all this, I will be doing all of my own maintenance
> myself from now on. My car will see the dealer only for warranty items and
> recalls.
>
> Eric

Scary how misinformed yet authoritative sounding service people can be, eh?

John

Re: 2006 Sonata Oil
 

Eric G. wrote:

> Anyway, even after all this, I will be doing all of my own maintenance
> myself from now on. My car will see the dealer only for warranty items and
> recalls.
>
> Eric

Scary how misinformed yet authoritative sounding service people can be, eh?

John