2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
12-31-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's
> Pure One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts
> stores. I'm using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the
> lower end Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my
> '94 Excel for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I
> sold it.
I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the
> ones that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months
> ago. I won't use them.
I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this
when I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any
particular brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to
use only Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience
with Fram filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other
such stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the
genesis of this bulletin.
Matt
> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's
> Pure One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts
> stores. I'm using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the
> lower end Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my
> '94 Excel for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I
> sold it.
I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the
> ones that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months
> ago. I won't use them.
I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this
when I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any
particular brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to
use only Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience
with Fram filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other
such stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the
genesis of this bulletin.
Matt
12-31-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's
> Pure One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts
> stores. I'm using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the
> lower end Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my
> '94 Excel for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I
> sold it.
I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the
> ones that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months
> ago. I won't use them.
I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this
when I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any
particular brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to
use only Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience
with Fram filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other
such stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the
genesis of this bulletin.
Matt
> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's
> Pure One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts
> stores. I'm using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the
> lower end Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my
> '94 Excel for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I
> sold it.
I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the
> ones that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months
> ago. I won't use them.
I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this
when I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any
particular brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to
use only Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience
with Fram filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other
such stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the
genesis of this bulletin.
Matt
12-31-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's Pure
>> One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts stores. I'm
>> using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the lower end
>> Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my '94 Excel
>> for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I sold it.
>
> I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
>
>
>> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the ones
>> that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months ago. I
>> won't use them.
>
> I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this when
> I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any particular
> brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to use only
> Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience with Fram
> filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other such
> stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the genesis of
> this bulletin.
>
>
> Matt
Here's the TSB:
http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Hyundai%20He...02%2520pdf.pdf
12-31-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Napa, Wix and Purolator filters are all highly regarded. Purolator's Pure
>> One filters are generally available for <$6.00 at auto parts stores. I'm
>> using them and synthetic oil in my '04 Elantra. I used the lower end
>> Purolator and the identical Pep Boys house brand filters in my '94 Excel
>> for 165K miles and the engine was still running great when I sold it.
>
> I believe that NAPA filters are made by Wix.
>
>
>> I agree that Fram products are junk and AKAIK, their filters are the ones
>> that prompted the oil filter TSB that Hyundai put out a few months ago. I
>> won't use them.
>
> I asked the dealer this as they gave me a bright colored copy of this when
> I took delivery of my new Sonata. They wouldn't say it was any particular
> brand and, of course, the bulletin said the solution was to use only
> Hyundai brand filters. However, based on my past experience with Fram
> filters and their wide availability through Wal-Mart and other such
> stores, I strongly suspect that Fram was at least part of the genesis of
> this bulletin.
>
>
> Matt
Here's the TSB:
http://n2qew.dyndns.org/Hyundai%20He...02%2520pdf.pdf
01-03-2006, 11:53 AM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
If you are sold on Fram filters, consider the Tough Guard. The price may
give you pause, but all the necessary upgrades to make this a competitive,
useful filter are in these.
Thomas Wenndt
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:17f$43b5e44d$452894b3$19662@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:1Bktf.4645$lb.397159@news1.epix.net...
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> > news:R1htf.4638$lb.396338@news1.epix.net...
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I have no idea why they would have used this design. I plan also to
>> >>use
>> >>Mobil 1 and was told that filters for my engine were about $10 at the
>> >>dealer. I believe I can get NAPA gold filters for around $8 and silver
>> >>for around $5. I'm sure the gold are better than the OEM filters, but
>> >>not sure about the silvers. The important thing is to avoid Fram and
>> >>some of the other low-end filters.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize there is a lot of stuff on the net about Fram, but there are
>> > a
> lot
>> > of us out here who have used Fram for literally decades with no
> problems.
>> > Many of us have driven cars for over 200,000 miles using Fram filters.
> I'd
>> > caution about the hype that's out there.
>>
>> It isn't hype. Cut a few open and look for yourself. The difference
>> between a Fram and a quality filter is very obvious, even to the
>> relatively uninitiated. I used Fram for years as well, and they were a
>> great filter many moons ago. They have go downhill a lot in the last 20
>> years. I had an 89 Acclaim that always had lifter noise for the first
>> few seconds after a cold start. I had used Fram filters since it was
>> new and never made the connection. I was talking to a colleague at work
>> one day and he asked what brand of filter I used. I told him and he
>> said that was the problem. The Fram anti-drainback valve is crap and
>> lets the filter drain if the engine sits idle for more than a couple of
>> hours. Sure enough, I switched to AC filters and no more start-up
>> clatter. The difference was night and day.
>>
>
> Ok - I'll give it a whirl. I'm warning you - I don't like my old habits
> messed with though. I particularly don't like having to learn something
> new
> at my age. Takes too damned much effort.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
give you pause, but all the necessary upgrades to make this a competitive,
useful filter are in these.
Thomas Wenndt
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:17f$43b5e44d$452894b3$19662@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:1Bktf.4645$lb.397159@news1.epix.net...
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> > news:R1htf.4638$lb.396338@news1.epix.net...
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I have no idea why they would have used this design. I plan also to
>> >>use
>> >>Mobil 1 and was told that filters for my engine were about $10 at the
>> >>dealer. I believe I can get NAPA gold filters for around $8 and silver
>> >>for around $5. I'm sure the gold are better than the OEM filters, but
>> >>not sure about the silvers. The important thing is to avoid Fram and
>> >>some of the other low-end filters.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize there is a lot of stuff on the net about Fram, but there are
>> > a
> lot
>> > of us out here who have used Fram for literally decades with no
> problems.
>> > Many of us have driven cars for over 200,000 miles using Fram filters.
> I'd
>> > caution about the hype that's out there.
>>
>> It isn't hype. Cut a few open and look for yourself. The difference
>> between a Fram and a quality filter is very obvious, even to the
>> relatively uninitiated. I used Fram for years as well, and they were a
>> great filter many moons ago. They have go downhill a lot in the last 20
>> years. I had an 89 Acclaim that always had lifter noise for the first
>> few seconds after a cold start. I had used Fram filters since it was
>> new and never made the connection. I was talking to a colleague at work
>> one day and he asked what brand of filter I used. I told him and he
>> said that was the problem. The Fram anti-drainback valve is crap and
>> lets the filter drain if the engine sits idle for more than a couple of
>> hours. Sure enough, I switched to AC filters and no more start-up
>> clatter. The difference was night and day.
>>
>
> Ok - I'll give it a whirl. I'm warning you - I don't like my old habits
> messed with though. I particularly don't like having to learn something
> new
> at my age. Takes too damned much effort.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
01-03-2006, 11:53 AM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
If you are sold on Fram filters, consider the Tough Guard. The price may
give you pause, but all the necessary upgrades to make this a competitive,
useful filter are in these.
Thomas Wenndt
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:17f$43b5e44d$452894b3$19662@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:1Bktf.4645$lb.397159@news1.epix.net...
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> > news:R1htf.4638$lb.396338@news1.epix.net...
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I have no idea why they would have used this design. I plan also to
>> >>use
>> >>Mobil 1 and was told that filters for my engine were about $10 at the
>> >>dealer. I believe I can get NAPA gold filters for around $8 and silver
>> >>for around $5. I'm sure the gold are better than the OEM filters, but
>> >>not sure about the silvers. The important thing is to avoid Fram and
>> >>some of the other low-end filters.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize there is a lot of stuff on the net about Fram, but there are
>> > a
> lot
>> > of us out here who have used Fram for literally decades with no
> problems.
>> > Many of us have driven cars for over 200,000 miles using Fram filters.
> I'd
>> > caution about the hype that's out there.
>>
>> It isn't hype. Cut a few open and look for yourself. The difference
>> between a Fram and a quality filter is very obvious, even to the
>> relatively uninitiated. I used Fram for years as well, and they were a
>> great filter many moons ago. They have go downhill a lot in the last 20
>> years. I had an 89 Acclaim that always had lifter noise for the first
>> few seconds after a cold start. I had used Fram filters since it was
>> new and never made the connection. I was talking to a colleague at work
>> one day and he asked what brand of filter I used. I told him and he
>> said that was the problem. The Fram anti-drainback valve is crap and
>> lets the filter drain if the engine sits idle for more than a couple of
>> hours. Sure enough, I switched to AC filters and no more start-up
>> clatter. The difference was night and day.
>>
>
> Ok - I'll give it a whirl. I'm warning you - I don't like my old habits
> messed with though. I particularly don't like having to learn something
> new
> at my age. Takes too damned much effort.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
give you pause, but all the necessary upgrades to make this a competitive,
useful filter are in these.
Thomas Wenndt
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:17f$43b5e44d$452894b3$19662@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:1Bktf.4645$lb.397159@news1.epix.net...
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>> > news:R1htf.4638$lb.396338@news1.epix.net...
>> >
>> >>
>> >>I have no idea why they would have used this design. I plan also to
>> >>use
>> >>Mobil 1 and was told that filters for my engine were about $10 at the
>> >>dealer. I believe I can get NAPA gold filters for around $8 and silver
>> >>for around $5. I'm sure the gold are better than the OEM filters, but
>> >>not sure about the silvers. The important thing is to avoid Fram and
>> >>some of the other low-end filters.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I realize there is a lot of stuff on the net about Fram, but there are
>> > a
> lot
>> > of us out here who have used Fram for literally decades with no
> problems.
>> > Many of us have driven cars for over 200,000 miles using Fram filters.
> I'd
>> > caution about the hype that's out there.
>>
>> It isn't hype. Cut a few open and look for yourself. The difference
>> between a Fram and a quality filter is very obvious, even to the
>> relatively uninitiated. I used Fram for years as well, and they were a
>> great filter many moons ago. They have go downhill a lot in the last 20
>> years. I had an 89 Acclaim that always had lifter noise for the first
>> few seconds after a cold start. I had used Fram filters since it was
>> new and never made the connection. I was talking to a colleague at work
>> one day and he asked what brand of filter I used. I told him and he
>> said that was the problem. The Fram anti-drainback valve is crap and
>> lets the filter drain if the engine sits idle for more than a couple of
>> hours. Sure enough, I switched to AC filters and no more start-up
>> clatter. The difference was night and day.
>>
>
> Ok - I'll give it a whirl. I'm warning you - I don't like my old habits
> messed with though. I particularly don't like having to learn something
> new
> at my age. Takes too damned much effort.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>
01-04-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
(German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
this move several years ago.
Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
(German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
this move several years ago.
01-04-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
(German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
this move several years ago.
Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
(German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
this move several years ago.
01-04-2006, 07:16 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
w9cw@yahoo.com wrote:
> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>
> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
> this move several years ago.
>
How is it more environmentally friendly?
Matt
> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>
> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
> this move several years ago.
>
How is it more environmentally friendly?
Matt
01-04-2006, 07:16 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
w9cw@yahoo.com wrote:
> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>
> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
> this move several years ago.
>
How is it more environmentally friendly?
Matt
> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>
> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
> this move several years ago.
>
How is it more environmentally friendly?
Matt
01-04-2006, 08:47 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> w9cw@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
>> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
>> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>>
>> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
>> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
>> this move several years ago.
>>
>
> How is it more environmentally friendly?
>
>
> Matt
Two reasons:
1. No metal can (yeah, I know, it's not much metal) to be discarded into a
landfill.
2. No metal can holding sometimes upwards of 3/4 of a quart of oil to be
discarded into a landfill only to release it's contents into the
groundwater, after the can gets rusted thru.
Yeah, you can poke a hole into it, and drain it out, but most DIY'ers don't.
Oil change (drain plug manglers) places poke and squish 'em.
Another cool thing about the new filters is that you can see what goodies
are being trapped by the filter - chunks and or particles.
Also, at least in Hyundai's case, it's one more thing that you can only get
from the dealer (for a while).
01-04-2006, 08:47 PM
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Re: 2006 Sonata Oil Change Info
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> w9cw@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Purolator Pure One filters rated #1 in a recent test. I used to be a
>> Fram man myself until a number of years ago. I only use either Mann
>> (German) or Purolator Pure One filters now.
>>
>> Many manufacturers are reverting to the cartridge element as it's more
>> environmentally friendly. The European's, especially Volvo, initiated
>> this move several years ago.
>>
>
> How is it more environmentally friendly?
>
>
> Matt
Two reasons:
1. No metal can (yeah, I know, it's not much metal) to be discarded into a
landfill.
2. No metal can holding sometimes upwards of 3/4 of a quart of oil to be
discarded into a landfill only to release it's contents into the
groundwater, after the can gets rusted thru.
Yeah, you can poke a hole into it, and drain it out, but most DIY'ers don't.
Oil change (drain plug manglers) places poke and squish 'em.
Another cool thing about the new filters is that you can see what goodies
are being trapped by the filter - chunks and or particles.
Also, at least in Hyundai's case, it's one more thing that you can only get
from the dealer (for a while).
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