Voyager

I just did my 40,000 mile maintenance and inspection and while rotating
the tires inspected the brakes. The good news is that that pads appear
to be less than half worn out. Yes, after 40,000 miles there is a lot
of material left. The bad news is that the rear rotors are rusted and
pitted pretty badly. I noticed they were noisey a few times this summer
when I didn't drive the car for a week or so as I was riding my
motorcycle so much. I was amazed though when I looked at the rotors
tonight as they are in bad shape. At this point, I'm just going to run
them until they finish off the rear pads, which looks like it may take a
while even with the pitting, but the certainly will need to be replaced
when the pads are replaced.

I've never seen a vehicle with rotors that pitted this badly other than
old vehicles at a junk yard that have sat for for YEARS. Has anyone
else had this problem with their Sonata? I wonder if anyone makes
stainless rotors for the Sonata. The stock rotors appear to be very
cheap cast iron, I'm guessing recycled iron. This reminds me of the
problem Ford had in the early 70s when they had a lot of body
rust-through problems which, IIRC, were blamed on recycled steel that
hadn't quite been recycled enough and had impurities throughout the
metal that caused rust to commence.

Matt

jim

Is this not still under warranty?

Jim

"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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>I just did my 40,000 mile maintenance and inspection and while rotating the
>tires inspected the brakes. The good news is that that pads appear to be
>less than half worn out. Yes, after 40,000 miles there is a lot of
>material left. The bad news is that the rear rotors are rusted and pitted
>pretty badly. I noticed they were noisey a few times this summer when I
>didn't drive the car for a week or so as I was riding my motorcycle so
>much. I was amazed though when I looked at the rotors tonight as they are
>in bad shape. At this point, I'm just going to run them until they finish
>off the rear pads, which looks like it may take a while even with the
>pitting, but the certainly will need to be replaced when the pads are
>replaced.
>
> I've never seen a vehicle with rotors that pitted this badly other than
> old vehicles at a junk yard that have sat for for YEARS. Has anyone else
> had this problem with their Sonata? I wonder if anyone makes stainless
> rotors for the Sonata. The stock rotors appear to be very cheap cast
> iron, I'm guessing recycled iron. This reminds me of the problem Ford had
> in the early 70s when they had a lot of body rust-through problems which,
> IIRC, were blamed on recycled steel that hadn't quite been recycled enough
> and had impurities throughout the metal that caused rust to commence.
>
> Matt

Voyager

jim wrote:
> Is this not still under warranty?

I figured not as most brake related items are brushed off as "wear
items", but it probably is worth asking. The care is past the 36,000
mile point though so I suspect it is in just the "power train" part of
the warranty now.

Matt

631grant

If the car sits for just a couple of days, the rotors will show some rust,
but I don't know about the pitting, unless the castings were bad and had
porosity, which would (or should, depending on your stealership) be covered
as defective.


"Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
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> jim wrote:
>> Is this not still under warranty?
>
> I figured not as most brake related items are brushed off as "wear items",
> but it probably is worth asking. The care is past the 36,000 mile point
> though so I suspect it is in just the "power train" part of the warranty
> now.
>
> Matt

Ed Pawlowski

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> If the car sits for just a couple of days, the rotors will show some rust,
> but I don't know about the pitting, unless the castings were bad and had
> porosity, which would (or should, depending on your stealership) be
> covered as defective.
>
>

I've found that my Sonata rotors will rust in as little as 12 hours in damp
weather while my Buick rotors never show signs of rust even after a couple
of weeks sitting in the driveway inches from the lawn. . Must be a
different alloy?

Voyager

631grant wrote:
> If the car sits for just a couple of days, the rotors will show some rust,
> but I don't know about the pitting, unless the castings were bad and had
> porosity, which would (or should, depending on your stealership) be covered
> as defective.

Yes, all cars do that. My Chevy and Chryslers get a thin uniform layer
of surface rust that comes right off at the first use. The Sonata makes
a loud grinding noise for several stops if it sets more than a day or
two. The pitting is worse than anything I've seen on a car. The only
car even close was an 84 Accord I owned whose rotors rusted beyond
service in less than 60K miles. By way of contrast, the rotors on my
1994 Chevy are original and have 106K and 15 years on them.

Looks like Hyundai and Honda buy their rotors from the same source.

Matt

Voyager

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:XLRKk.50459$bx1.12903@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>> If the car sits for just a couple of days, the rotors will show some rust,
>> but I don't know about the pitting, unless the castings were bad and had
>> porosity, which would (or should, depending on your stealership) be
>> covered as defective.
>>
>>
>
> I've found that my Sonata rotors will rust in as little as 12 hours in damp
> weather while my Buick rotors never show signs of rust even after a couple
> of weeks sitting in the driveway inches from the lawn. . Must be a
> different alloy?

Yes, I'm seeing much the same comparing my Sonata to my Chevy truck and
Chrysler van. Something is obviously inferior about the Sonata rotors,
but I don't know what it is. I'm guessing you are correct though in
that it is a different composition or they are using recycled steel that
has impurities in it that is accelerating the rusting and pitting.
These rotors are complete trash in 40K miles and the pads aren't even
half worn out near as I can tell visually. That is simply unacceptable
to me.

Matt

hyundaitech

This isn't uncommon, Matt. I see it mostly on cars that are driven
infrequently or for short trips, even though you don't seem to fall into
that category.

I, too, think it's a problem with the metal in the rotors. Rotors are
covered for 5 years/60k miles, but the warranty pamphlet specifically says
rust is "not covered."

Can't hurt to ask the dealer, though. Many managers/advisors never
actually read the pamphlet. You may wish to specifically ask for the
person who knew something about the "fuel tank air filter." I imagine
you'd be rather upset if someone told you it was covered, and you then
made a significant outing only do find out it wasn't.

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Voyager

hyundaitech wrote:
> This isn't uncommon, Matt. I see it mostly on cars that are driven
> infrequently or for short trips, even though you don't seem to fall into
> that category.

I have driven the Sonata infrequently a few times this summer as the
weather was good and the K1200LT was calling... :-)

I don't think I ever went more than 6 days idle though as I drive the
Sonata to church each Sunday at a minimum. And no comments about Sunday
drivers!!


> I, too, think it's a problem with the metal in the rotors. Rotors are
> covered for 5 years/60k miles, but the warranty pamphlet specifically says
> rust is "not covered."

I figured as much as I've not see rust ever covered before.


> Can't hurt to ask the dealer, though. Many managers/advisors never
> actually read the pamphlet. You may wish to specifically ask for the
> person who knew something about the "fuel tank air filter." I imagine
> you'd be rather upset if someone told you it was covered, and you then
> made a significant outing only do find out it wasn't.

Yes, it can't hurt to give them a call.

Matt

John

Wonder if it was a bad "batch". I,ve had 3 Sonata,s over 11 years, the
latest for 5 yrs, 80,000 km and no pitting whatsoever on any of them. As
you say, worth harrasing the dealers.
John

hyundaitech

I don't think so. I've been seeing this for about 5 to 6 years or so.

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