2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
pdp11@techie.com wrote:
> BillyGoat wrote:
>
>>Don't forget that with the shiftronic Xmission, you can force it to start in
>>2nd gear. That helps a lot to start off in snow/ice.
>
>
> Just like the old Rambler "Flash-O-Matic" transmission with its "D1"
> and "D2" positions. (For 1st gear and 2nd gear starts, respectively.)
> Everything old is new again!
Actually, many automatics still let you start out in 2 or even 3rd.
I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
RSX-11 commands...
Matt
> BillyGoat wrote:
>
>>Don't forget that with the shiftronic Xmission, you can force it to start in
>>2nd gear. That helps a lot to start off in snow/ice.
>
>
> Just like the old Rambler "Flash-O-Matic" transmission with its "D1"
> and "D2" positions. (For 1st gear and 2nd gear starts, respectively.)
> Everything old is new again!
Actually, many automatics still let you start out in 2 or even 3rd.
I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
RSX-11 commands...
Matt
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
#34
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
> I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
stuff.
> That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
> RSX-11 commands...
I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
(64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
#35
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Eric G. wrote:
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Eric G. wrote:
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Eric G. wrote:
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
> Now to comment on the 2006 Sonata, it is by far the best car I have
> driven in the snow. I drove it in a 10" "mini-blizzard" and it was as
> if I was driving on wet pavement. We've had at least four mornings with
> black ice. I think that is where the traction control really comes into
> play.
That sounds encouraging, we'll have to give the new Sonata a look.
Another possibility we're considering is a late-model 4WD Santa Fe. I
don't know why, but from what I've been reading of owner comments the
Santa Fe seems to be better on gas than the smaller Tucson.
Usually I prefer to buy cars that are a few years old so the first
owner takes the depreciation hit. Hyundai is a very attractive
proposition to the used car buyer since depreciation works in his
favor, and the 5-year bumper-to-bumper warrantee is great. You can buy
a 3-year-old car and still have 2 full years of factory warrantee. (The
10yr/100K mile drivetrain coverage is not transferable.)
> But as others have said, if you don't know how to drive in the weather,
> and the limits of the car, you can still get yourself into deep water
> quickly.
This is always the case. I shudder at all the SUV drivers I see driving
like maniacs in slippery weather because they think they're invincible.
I look at 4WD and/or traction control as another tool to give an edge
in dealing with inclement winter weather, not as some magical silver
bullet that lets one treat snow and ice as dry pavement.
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> pdp11@techie.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have experience yet with how the traction control in the 2006
>>> Sonata actually performs in the snow? We are considering the purchase
>>> of a new Hyundai vehicle, and are actually looking to replace an older
>>> 4-wheel-drive car (AMC Eagle) that was recently totalled in an
>>> accident. We're in the Northeast and have a fairly long, uphill
>>> driveway that the Eagle was able to navigate with ease even after a
>>> fairly heavy snowstorm.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be safe in the winter there are three things you should
>> do:
>>
>> 1- Install good quality snow tires on all four wheels. Nokian tires
>> are my personal favorite.
>>
>> 2- Practice driving on slippery surfaces. Relying on technology is not
>> a good idea, as it will often let you down when you need it most.
>>
>> 3- Drive sensibly. No car is foolproof and if you exceed the available
>> traction, you'll be in trouble no matter what "gee wiz" technology
>> your car is equipped with.
>>
>> After 31 winters of driving in New Hampshire, I find no need for
>> 4WD/AWD, ABS or TCS. Pick the vehicle you want, equip it properly and
>> learn to control it under challenging conditions. Good driving skills
>> and preparation trump technology every time.
>
>
> Does that mean I'm not safe since I run all-season tires during all
> seasons? :-)
They're fine...if you live in Florida. ;-)
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
pdp11@techie.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
pdp11@techie.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
pdp11@techie.com wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>>I just noticed your "handle" of pdp11. You do mean THE PDR-11, right?
>
>
> Yes, in another life I used to work for DEC in New Hampshire, and
> worked primarily with PDP-11 systems, though also some DEC-20 and Vax
> stuff.
My company was a significant customer of DEC back in the 80s to early
90s. In fact, I installed what was at the time the largest DY32 network
in the world in our new fiber plant in 1985. Moving from the PDPs to
the VAX was a nightmare. We tried at first to use compatibility mode,
but as impossible so we had to rewrite all of our host applications to
move them from the 11/44 to native VAX code.
Fortunately, the 11/23+ remotes worked pretty well with the VAX as a
host. :-)
>>That sure brings back old memories. I still remember way too many
>>RSX-11 commands...
>
>
> I did so much Macro-11 programming that at one time I could practically
> do it in my sleep. Amazing what we used to accomplish in that 16-bit
> (64K) address space. These days that's not even a good-sized buffer.
I was the same, but with F77 rather than macro-11. Yes, life before
graphics took a lot less space.
Matt
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Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Thanks everyone for the comments!
We went to our local Hyundai dealer today and took a look at some used
Santa Fe SUVs as well as the new Sonata! Needless to say after driving
it, we really like the Sonata. From the comments here and looking at
the car's ground clearance I believe it will do just fine for our
purposes. (And hey, you never know when I'll run across another
inexpensive Eagle I can pick up for a few bucks, though the wife may
have something to say about that. :-)
With a variety of rebates and discounts applied, the dealer has quoted
us a price of $16,831 for a Sonata GLS V6. We are also interested in
the factory extended bumper-to-bumper warrantee, have not gotten a
quote on that yet.
We went to our local Hyundai dealer today and took a look at some used
Santa Fe SUVs as well as the new Sonata! Needless to say after driving
it, we really like the Sonata. From the comments here and looking at
the car's ground clearance I believe it will do just fine for our
purposes. (And hey, you never know when I'll run across another
inexpensive Eagle I can pick up for a few bucks, though the wife may
have something to say about that. :-)
With a variety of rebates and discounts applied, the dealer has quoted
us a price of $16,831 for a Sonata GLS V6. We are also interested in
the factory extended bumper-to-bumper warrantee, have not gotten a
quote on that yet.
#45
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Posts: n/a
Re: 2006 Sonata traction control vs 4WD?
Thanks everyone for the comments!
We went to our local Hyundai dealer today and took a look at some used
Santa Fe SUVs as well as the new Sonata! Needless to say after driving
it, we really like the Sonata. From the comments here and looking at
the car's ground clearance I believe it will do just fine for our
purposes. (And hey, you never know when I'll run across another
inexpensive Eagle I can pick up for a few bucks, though the wife may
have something to say about that. :-)
With a variety of rebates and discounts applied, the dealer has quoted
us a price of $16,831 for a Sonata GLS V6. We are also interested in
the factory extended bumper-to-bumper warrantee, have not gotten a
quote on that yet.
We went to our local Hyundai dealer today and took a look at some used
Santa Fe SUVs as well as the new Sonata! Needless to say after driving
it, we really like the Sonata. From the comments here and looking at
the car's ground clearance I believe it will do just fine for our
purposes. (And hey, you never know when I'll run across another
inexpensive Eagle I can pick up for a few bucks, though the wife may
have something to say about that. :-)
With a variety of rebates and discounts applied, the dealer has quoted
us a price of $16,831 for a Sonata GLS V6. We are also interested in
the factory extended bumper-to-bumper warrantee, have not gotten a
quote on that yet.