nothermark

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:29:10 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>"*****" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Diesel is only 50 cents a gallon higher in my neck of the woods, at the
>> most 75. Even with the increase in cost, the longevity of a diesel and
>> with many owners reporting 50 mpg makes it second only to the Prius (based
>> on an article I just read at an automotive site).
>>
>> *****
>
>Here in CT we get hosed on taxes. Diesel was a buck higher but is now 90¢
>
>As for longevity, many do last much longer than gas engines, but some have
>proven to be less reliable over time. I don't know about the TDI. VW does
>have a lot of experience with them though. Remember the Rabbit? You could
>always tell the diesel from the black soot up the back end.
>
>I'm wondering if the Prius owners will be a happy bunch in five years as the
>batteries start to fail. Or what the resale value of one at that age will
>be even if otherwise in good condition.
>

I lloked it up yesterday out of curiosity. 8 year battery warranty,
$3000 to replace. I was surprised at the life until I read that they
never fully charge or discharge the cells to achieve this. Probably
why they void the warranty if you modify to plug them into the wall at
night. Google it if you are interested.

nothermark

Willy

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "*****" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Diesel is only 50 cents a gallon higher in my neck of the woods, at the
>> most 75. Even with the increase in cost, the longevity of a diesel and
>> with many owners reporting 50 mpg makes it second only to the Prius
>> (based on an article I just read at an automotive site).
>>
>> *****
>
> Here in CT we get hosed on taxes. Diesel was a buck higher but is now 90¢
>
> As for longevity, many do last much longer than gas engines, but some have
> proven to be less reliable over time. I don't know about the TDI. VW
> does have a lot of experience with them though. Remember the Rabbit? You
> could always tell the diesel from the black soot up the back end.
>
> I'm wondering if the Prius owners will be a happy bunch in five years as
> the batteries start to fail. Or what the resale value of one at that age
> will be even if otherwise in good condition.
>


That's the same thing I'm wondering about Prius owners... what WILL you do
when the batteries start to fail??? I've read something recently that
suggests eventually (and soon) a "lease" option will be available for the
batteries. The article also pointed out that even when the batteries are no
longer useful in the car, they still have over 80% of their usable life
remaining, and could be used in a variety of applications. But it didn't
say what those applications could be.

Based on everything I've read over the last few years, the VW TDI is so
clean it even exceeds California requirements... produces virtually no
smoke or soot unlike the diesels of old (including my 1984 MB 300D) and
offers quick starts and few problems in cold weather.

I plan to go check out the new 09 version at the dealer tomorrow. They're
taking orders, but won't commit to a delivery date, only saying, come drive
the one we have on the lot (which is loaded with advertisements about being
green and high mileage).

*****

Willy

"nothermark" <nothermark@not.here> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:29:10 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"*****" <wesk@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> Diesel is only 50 cents a gallon higher in my neck of the woods, at the
>>> most 75. Even with the increase in cost, the longevity of a diesel and
>>> with many owners reporting 50 mpg makes it second only to the Prius
>>> (based
>>> on an article I just read at an automotive site).
>>>
>>> *****
>>
>>Here in CT we get hosed on taxes. Diesel was a buck higher but is now 90¢
>>
>>As for longevity, many do last much longer than gas engines, but some have
>>proven to be less reliable over time. I don't know about the TDI. VW
>>does
>>have a lot of experience with them though. Remember the Rabbit? You
>>could
>>always tell the diesel from the black soot up the back end.
>>
>>I'm wondering if the Prius owners will be a happy bunch in five years as
>>the
>>batteries start to fail. Or what the resale value of one at that age
>>will
>>be even if otherwise in good condition.
>>
>
> I lloked it up yesterday out of curiosity. 8 year battery warranty,
> $3000 to replace. I was surprised at the life until I read that they
> never fully charge or discharge the cells to achieve this. Probably
> why they void the warranty if you modify to plug them into the wall at
> night. Google it if you are interested.
>
> nothermark

Did that 8 years also have a mileage limitation?

*****

Wayne Moses

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:42:20 -0400, "631grant"
<tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Yea, I just got a similar email from them touting that the Genesis can go
>from 0 to 60 in the time it takes to read this sentence. Who gives a
>flying crap?

I do. I am lining up to get the Coupe SE when it comes out.

> I want to sloooowly accelerate past a few gas stations, not
>stop at every one!!!

Hyundai makes cars that do that just for you -- called the Accent.

Besides, all cars -- even the Bugatti Veyron -- can accelerate slowly
past gas stations. Depends on the driver. Not all can perform like the
Genesis and even none like the Veyron.

>Now I know a few of you (no names necessary) will say that
>as long as you have the money to afford the gas you'll drive anything you
>want but you have to admit that it's nuts to boldly introduce exactly the
>opposite of what MOST people want these days.

Hahahah ..., and the bait has been set. Lets go with what the masses
want, eh? I am all for making more fuel efficient cars and reducing
our dependence on ME oil, but there must always be a choice because
not all of us see a car as a transportation appliance.