87 octane in tiburon gt v6
07-23-2004, 07:25 AM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:59:10 GMT, Jeff Hodges staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby? I have been using
> 93 only, but with the prices and the manual saying 87 will work I am
> thinking about it. 2003 GT-V6
The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed to
run on 87-octane gas. There is no reason to use 93-octane gas unless
you really like paying more money to fill the tank. I've been using
87-octane gas in my 2003 V6 Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or
other signs of premature combustion.
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Sun and said:
> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby? I have been using
> 93 only, but with the prices and the manual saying 87 will work I am
> thinking about it. 2003 GT-V6
The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed to
run on 87-octane gas. There is no reason to use 93-octane gas unless
you really like paying more money to fill the tank. I've been using
87-octane gas in my 2003 V6 Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or
other signs of premature combustion.
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07-23-2004, 08:03 AM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
On 23 Jul 2004 11:25:07 GMT, Dances With Crows
<danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@usa.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:59:10 GMT, Jeff Hodges staggered into the Black
>Sun and said:
>> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby? I have been using
>> 93 only, but with the prices and the manual saying 87 will work I am
>> thinking about it. 2003 GT-V6
>
>The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed to
>run on 87-octane gas. There is no reason to use 93-octane gas unless
>you really like paying more money to fill the tank. I've been using
>87-octane gas in my 2003 V6 Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or
>other signs of premature combustion.
The compression ratio is kinda of high and any other manufacturer
would have recommended 89 instead of 87. Hyundai is getting around
the problem of knocking by keeping the engine flooded with gasoline
all of the time. My 2.7L Sonata runs an A:F around 10.5:1. I've been
thinking about retuning the fuel maps and running 89. More power and
better mileage at the cost of an extra $1.50 per fillup is fine by me.
I'll agree though, 93 octane is a waste of money.
<danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@usa.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:59:10 GMT, Jeff Hodges staggered into the Black
>Sun and said:
>> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby? I have been using
>> 93 only, but with the prices and the manual saying 87 will work I am
>> thinking about it. 2003 GT-V6
>
>The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed to
>run on 87-octane gas. There is no reason to use 93-octane gas unless
>you really like paying more money to fill the tank. I've been using
>87-octane gas in my 2003 V6 Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or
>other signs of premature combustion.
The compression ratio is kinda of high and any other manufacturer
would have recommended 89 instead of 87. Hyundai is getting around
the problem of knocking by keeping the engine flooded with gasoline
all of the time. My 2.7L Sonata runs an A:F around 10.5:1. I've been
thinking about retuning the fuel maps and running 89. More power and
better mileage at the cost of an extra $1.50 per fillup is fine by me.
I'll agree though, 93 octane is a waste of money.
07-23-2004, 04:39 PM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:11:03 -0400, hyundaitech staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
Please include context when you post. Context restored:
> Jason wrote:
>>On 23 Jul 2004 11:25:07 GMT, Dances With Crows wrote:
>>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:59:10 GMT, Jeff Hodges staggered into the Black
>>>Sun and said:
>>>> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby?
>>>The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed
>>>to run on 87-octane gas. I've been using 87-octane gas in my 2003 V6
>>>Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or other signs of premature
>>The compression ratio is kinda of high and any other manufacturer
>>would have recommended 89 instead of 87. Hyundai is getting around
>>the problem of knocking by keeping the engine flooded with gasoline
>>all of the time.
Practically everything I've heard indicates that Hyundai engines run
really rich. hyundaitech, is what Jason said true, and the high fuel
content is there only to reduce knocking, or are there other reasons for
it?
>>My 2.7L Sonata runs an A:F around 10.5:1.
> If you were running 10.5:1, your check engine lamp would be on because
> the oxygen sensors were reading rich all the time.
Maybe there's a flaw in how Jason measured the ratio, or he made a typo,
or something. Jason, how'd you get the 10.5:1 numbers?
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Sun and said:
Please include context when you post. Context restored:
> Jason wrote:
>>On 23 Jul 2004 11:25:07 GMT, Dances With Crows wrote:
>>>On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:59:10 GMT, Jeff Hodges staggered into the Black
>>>Sun and said:
>>>> anybody here using the 87 octane gas in their tibby?
>>>The Tiburon's engine is not a high-compression engine and is designed
>>>to run on 87-octane gas. I've been using 87-octane gas in my 2003 V6
>>>Tiburon for 1.5 years; no knocks, pings, or other signs of premature
>>The compression ratio is kinda of high and any other manufacturer
>>would have recommended 89 instead of 87. Hyundai is getting around
>>the problem of knocking by keeping the engine flooded with gasoline
>>all of the time.
Practically everything I've heard indicates that Hyundai engines run
really rich. hyundaitech, is what Jason said true, and the high fuel
content is there only to reduce knocking, or are there other reasons for
it?
>>My 2.7L Sonata runs an A:F around 10.5:1.
> If you were running 10.5:1, your check engine lamp would be on because
> the oxygen sensors were reading rich all the time.
Maybe there's a flaw in how Jason measured the ratio, or he made a typo,
or something. Jason, how'd you get the 10.5:1 numbers?
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07-23-2004, 05:11 PM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:33:51 GMT, Shane M Ryan staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
> I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
> mileage and less peppiness.
I ask you again: Got hard numbers for this claimed increase in
"peppiness"? The first time you made this claim, on March 31, 2004, I
asked you for hard data in Message-ID
slrnc6ll94.9n1.danSPANceswitTRAPhcro...202.dyndns.org .
You never responded. It's not difficult; fill the tank with 87-octane,
measure 5 or 6 0-60 or 1/4-mile times, record. Repeat with 93-octane.
If there's a stastically significant difference in the times, one grade
of gas is better than the other for acceleration. If there's *not* a
statistically significant difference, you're talking rubbish and/or
experiencing the placebo effect.
Measurement accuracy and precision are vital here, since the differences
are going to be miniscule. I have plenty of time slips from the times
I've been to the dragstrip. Next time I go, I'll put 93-octane gas in
the tank, see what the time slips say, and post the results to this
newsgroup. I don't think there'll be a statistically significant
difference, but I'm willing to conduct the experiment and have my data
publically reviewed. Are you willing to do the same? The more data
points, the better, after all....
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Sun and said:
> I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
> mileage and less peppiness.
I ask you again: Got hard numbers for this claimed increase in
"peppiness"? The first time you made this claim, on March 31, 2004, I
asked you for hard data in Message-ID
slrnc6ll94.9n1.danSPANceswitTRAPhcro...202.dyndns.org .
You never responded. It's not difficult; fill the tank with 87-octane,
measure 5 or 6 0-60 or 1/4-mile times, record. Repeat with 93-octane.
If there's a stastically significant difference in the times, one grade
of gas is better than the other for acceleration. If there's *not* a
statistically significant difference, you're talking rubbish and/or
experiencing the placebo effect.
Measurement accuracy and precision are vital here, since the differences
are going to be miniscule. I have plenty of time slips from the times
I've been to the dragstrip. Next time I go, I'll put 93-octane gas in
the tank, see what the time slips say, and post the results to this
newsgroup. I don't think there'll be a statistically significant
difference, but I'm willing to conduct the experiment and have my data
publically reviewed. Are you willing to do the same? The more data
points, the better, after all....
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07-23-2004, 08:27 PM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
It's fine if you don't believe me. If you don't know what a spongy gas
petal feels like, you won't know the difference. I lost 2 miles per gallon
with 87 octane.
"Dances With Crows" <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@usa.net> wrote in message
news:slrncg2vsq.cju.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org...
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:33:51 GMT, Shane M Ryan staggered into the Black
> Sun and said:
> > I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
> > mileage and less peppiness.
>
> I ask you again: Got hard numbers for this claimed increase in
> "peppiness"? The first time you made this claim, on March 31, 2004, I
> asked you for hard data in Message-ID
> slrnc6ll94.9n1.danSPANceswitTRAPhcro...202.dyndns.org .
> You never responded. It's not difficult; fill the tank with 87-octane,
> measure 5 or 6 0-60 or 1/4-mile times, record. Repeat with 93-octane.
> If there's a stastically significant difference in the times, one grade
> of gas is better than the other for acceleration. If there's *not* a
> statistically significant difference, you're talking rubbish and/or
> experiencing the placebo effect.
>
> Measurement accuracy and precision are vital here, since the differences
> are going to be miniscule. I have plenty of time slips from the times
> I've been to the dragstrip. Next time I go, I'll put 93-octane gas in
> the tank, see what the time slips say, and post the results to this
> newsgroup. I don't think there'll be a statistically significant
> difference, but I'm willing to conduct the experiment and have my data
> publically reviewed. Are you willing to do the same? The more data
> points, the better, after all....
>
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see
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petal feels like, you won't know the difference. I lost 2 miles per gallon
with 87 octane.
"Dances With Crows" <danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@usa.net> wrote in message
news:slrncg2vsq.cju.danSPANceswitTRAPhcrows@samant ha.crow202.dyndns.org...
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:33:51 GMT, Shane M Ryan staggered into the Black
> Sun and said:
> > I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
> > mileage and less peppiness.
>
> I ask you again: Got hard numbers for this claimed increase in
> "peppiness"? The first time you made this claim, on March 31, 2004, I
> asked you for hard data in Message-ID
> slrnc6ll94.9n1.danSPANceswitTRAPhcro...202.dyndns.org .
> You never responded. It's not difficult; fill the tank with 87-octane,
> measure 5 or 6 0-60 or 1/4-mile times, record. Repeat with 93-octane.
> If there's a stastically significant difference in the times, one grade
> of gas is better than the other for acceleration. If there's *not* a
> statistically significant difference, you're talking rubbish and/or
> experiencing the placebo effect.
>
> Measurement accuracy and precision are vital here, since the differences
> are going to be miniscule. I have plenty of time slips from the times
> I've been to the dragstrip. Next time I go, I'll put 93-octane gas in
> the tank, see what the time slips say, and post the results to this
> newsgroup. I don't think there'll be a statistically significant
> difference, but I'm willing to conduct the experiment and have my data
> publically reviewed. Are you willing to do the same? The more data
> points, the better, after all....
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in eternity/But only Light too dim for us to
see
> He is a rhythmic movement of the penguins, is Tux. --MegaHAL
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07-24-2004, 09:47 AM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
hyundaitech wrote:
> Use 87 octane. All the time. Every piece of information I have from
> Hyundai is that higher octanes will actually cause the car to run WORSE.
How could that be? I can understand that using fuel with higher than
necessary octane provides no benefit and is a waste of money, but how
could it make an engine run worse?
> Use 87 octane. All the time. Every piece of information I have from
> Hyundai is that higher octanes will actually cause the car to run WORSE.
How could that be? I can understand that using fuel with higher than
necessary octane provides no benefit and is a waste of money, but how
could it make an engine run worse?
07-24-2004, 03:36 PM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
It doesn't burn as fast. If the engine's compression is low enough it can
have issues with properly igniting the fuel. If you have a little bit of
carbon on the valves (an older car), it gets held as a liquid in the
carbon, and plays having with the cold operation logic worse than 87.
About 10 years ago, Hyundai had a cold start problems with Elantras,
carboned valves, bad hesitation for a minute or so. If the customer was
running premium, it REALLY got bad.
have issues with properly igniting the fuel. If you have a little bit of
carbon on the valves (an older car), it gets held as a liquid in the
carbon, and plays having with the cold operation logic worse than 87.
About 10 years ago, Hyundai had a cold start problems with Elantras,
carboned valves, bad hesitation for a minute or so. If the customer was
running premium, it REALLY got bad.
07-25-2004, 11:45 AM
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 15:33:06 -0400, hyundaitech staggered into the Black
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Sun and said:
> Sorry about the lack of context in some of my posts. I don't have the
> ability (that I know of) to cut and paste previous posts into mine.
It's your Usenet client's fault. Nobody (not even Google) has managed
to make a web-based Usenet frontend that doesn't suck. So, for a better
Usenet-reading and posting experience, get a good client. There are
many good clients on Unix-like systems; slrn, pine, tin, and emacs run
on the command-line while Pan, KNode, and Mozilla work in a GUI. If
you're stuck on Windoze, Forte Free Agent is probably the best
free-as-in-beer client though you can use Mozilla as well. Good clients
include "killfile" functions that allow you to filter out any messages
posted by trolls/idiots. These functions are a must for reading many
groups--not necessarily this one, since it's pretty low-traffic and
there are fewer idiots here than on Usenet in general.
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usually "news.$ISP", so you'd use "news.comcast.net" if your ISP is
Comcast. ISP newsswervers are usually not well-maintained and
propagation can be iffy. news.individual.net is a free newsswerver
that allows posting and is fairly well-maintained. It only carries text
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07-25-2004, 05:34 PM
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Re: 87 octane in tiburon gt v6
Not very likely in a stock engine. Unless you have a LOT of problems in
that engine.
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"Shane M Ryan" <shanemryanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
mileage
> and less peppiness.
>
>
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> I use 93. I tried 87, no knocks, but definitely calculated less gas
mileage
> and less peppiness.
>
>
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