David Wright

Hi.
Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
alternative.

However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
somewhere), and soft ride.

Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?

Thanks.
DW

Jason

On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
wrote:

>Hi.
>Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>alternative.
>
>However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>somewhere), and soft ride.
>
>Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>
>Thanks.
>DW

I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.

-----

If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).

http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg

JasonOz

"Jason" <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote in message
news:t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com...
> On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi.
> >Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
> >expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
> >Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
> >alternative.
> >
> >However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
> >the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
> >somewhere), and soft ride.
> >
> >Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >DW
>
> I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
> without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
> kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
> those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
> posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>
> -----
>
> If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
> almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
> in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
> opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
> Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
> the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
> 2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
> mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
> Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
> I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
> it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg

Probably a bit hard to judge on these pics, but i think i'll be keeping my EF2
:-))

theta00k@yahoo.com

In article <t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi.
>>Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>>expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>>Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>>alternative.
>>
>>However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>>the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>>somewhere), and soft ride.
>>
>>Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>DW
>
>I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
>without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
>kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
>those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
>posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>
>-----
>
>If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
>almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
>in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
>opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
>Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
>the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
>2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
>mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
>Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
>I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
>it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).

The optional V6 is 3.3L and it has nothing to do with any of the Chrysler
engines.

>
>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg

Dave Edwards

Dave.... Hi.. Just wanted to compare notes with you.
I will also be putting my Olds Intrigue out to pasture soon.
I wonder what year yours' is, and what kind of problems you have had with
it?
Mine is a '98 with 120 something thousand on it.
It had a new engine at 90 something thousand and a rebuilt transmission.
So, having spent that money, and its paid for...I am trying to squeeze it
for all it is worth.
When it dies, or needs a lot more money...I am looking at a Sonata, XG350,
or perhaps a Toyota Prius. I get 28 cents a mile from work, so the mileage
thing of the Prius would be nice.
Anyway, how has your Intrigue been for you??
.....Dave

"David Wright" <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94A4B14736326dlwrightprolynxcom@63.122.16. 10...
> Hi.
> Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
> expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
> Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
> alternative.
>
> However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
> the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
> somewhere), and soft ride.
>
> Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>
> Thanks.
> DW

Jason

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:13:16 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:

>In article <t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>>On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi.
>>>Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>>>expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>>>Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>>>alternative.
>>>
>>>However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>>>the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>>>somewhere), and soft ride.
>>>
>>>Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>DW
>>
>>I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
>>without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
>>kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
>>those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
>>posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>>
>>-----
>>
>>If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
>>almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
>>in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
>>opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
>>Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
>>the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
>>2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
>>mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
>>Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
>>I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
>>it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>
>The optional V6 is 3.3L and it has nothing to do with any of the Chrysler
>engines.
>
>>
>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg

Where'd you find out that it was 3.3L and not 3.0L? Any other specs?

David Wright

"Dave Edwards" <kd2e@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iYWdneYF3uDN2dbdRVn_iw@comcast.com:

> Dave.... Hi.. Just wanted to compare notes with you.
> I will also be putting my Olds Intrigue out to pasture soon.
> I wonder what year yours' is, and what kind of problems you have had
> with it?

Dave,
Ours is a '99 with the 3.5L. Just over 80K miles. For the most part, it's
been solid. It's my wife's car, and she loves it.

[With apologies to the NG, this isn't completely off-topic.]

Problems we've had:
1. Every once in awhile the timing would seem 'way off; wouldn't start.
2. Crankshaft position sensor and one other sensor (camshaft?) -- may have
been part of the cause of #1.
3. Sun visor broke from normal use! (never had THAT happen on any car
before.)
4. Injectors always seem to load up; runs "dirty" or rich.
5. Tie rod wore prematurely -- replaced early under warranty.
6. Automatic climate-out-of-control system. I've hated it from Day-1.

Mostly my gripes have not been with the car, though, but rather with GM's
parts pricing and dealer incompetence/dishonesty (e.g., $18 for a pair of
unnecessary O-rings).

The biggest issue we've had was when we took it in to have the CKP sensor
replaced (required "retraining" of the computer) and the dealer talked me
into "servicing" the transmission.

The tech stopped about 2-1/2 qts. (not pints; quarts!) shy of refilling the
tranny with fluid. By the time I drove it home and began to figure out what
was going on, significant damage had been done. Same dealer tried to charge
me $650 to fix it. Got them to tear it apart and replace some solenoids,
etc. In the end, I had the tranny rebuilt by AAMCO for $2,200. Now it's
like new.

GM could stand for Got Me -- but never again.
In contrast, in over 12,000 miles with my 2003 GT hatchback, the only
problem so far has been a temperamental fuel gauge.

That's why I'm hoping the 2005 Sonata will be more like the Intrigue
(sportier, tight, responsive) than a Buick or Camry. But the main reason we
got the Intrigue in the first place was the solid engine/tranny combo. And
my perception of the Sonata up to 2004 gave me some concern over the auto
tranny, a V-6 that seemed marginal, and a soft ride.

DW

theta00k@yahoo.com

In article <qmim40t0lltb0s8mqlilrqfdrfnc7p6lnd@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:13:16 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>In article <t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com>, Jason
> <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>>>On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi.
>>>>Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>>>>expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>>>>Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>>>>alternative.
>>>>
>>>>However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>>>>the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>>>>somewhere), and soft ride.
>>>>
>>>>Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>DW
>>>
>>>I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
>>>without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
>>>kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
>>>those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
>>>posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>>>
>>>-----
>>>
>>>If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
>>>almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
>>>in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
>>>opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
>>>Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
>>>the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
>>>2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
>>>mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
>>>Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
>>>I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
>>>it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>>
>>The optional V6 is 3.3L and it has nothing to do with any of the Chrysler
>>engines.
>>
>>>
>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg
>
>Where'd you find out that it was 3.3L and not 3.0L? Any other specs?

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.
com/specialreports/hyundai/StoryAlabamateksid20w.htm

Jason

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:34:06 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:

>In article <qmim40t0lltb0s8mqlilrqfdrfnc7p6lnd@4ax.com>, Jason <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:13:16 GMT, theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com>, Jason
>> <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote:
>>>>On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>>>>>expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>>>>>Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>>>>>alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>>>>>the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>>>>>somewhere), and soft ride.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>DW
>>>>
>>>>I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
>>>>without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
>>>>kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
>>>>those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
>>>>posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>>>>
>>>>-----
>>>>
>>>>If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
>>>>almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
>>>>in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
>>>>opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
>>>>Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
>>>>the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
>>>>2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
>>>>mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
>>>>Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
>>>>I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
>>>>it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>>>
>>>The optional V6 is 3.3L and it has nothing to do with any of the Chrysler
>>>engines.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
>>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
>>>>http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
>>>>http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg
>>
>>Where'd you find out that it was 3.3L and not 3.0L? Any other specs?
>
>http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.
>com/specialreports/hyundai/StoryAlabamateksid20w.htm

Thanks.

Michelle Vadeboncoeur

"Dave Edwards" <kd2e@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<iYWdneYF3uDN2dbdRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
> Dave.... Hi.. Just wanted to compare notes with you.
> I will also be putting my Olds Intrigue out to pasture soon.
> I wonder what year yours' is, and what kind of problems you have had with
> it?
> Mine is a '98 with 120 something thousand on it.
> It had a new engine at 90 something thousand and a rebuilt transmission.
> So, having spent that money, and its paid for...I am trying to squeeze it
> for all it is worth.
> When it dies, or needs a lot more money...I am looking at a Sonata, XG350,
> or perhaps a Toyota Prius. I get 28 cents a mile from work, so the mileage
> thing of the Prius would be nice.

Where do you live? In the US, for the 2003 tax year, the federal
government's "standard mileage rate for operating your car in 2003
is 36 cents a mile for all business miles."
See IRS Publication 463, "Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car
Expenses" : http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p463.pdf

Dave Edwards

Michelle....
My company is a bit on the 'frugal' side.
My brother is a CPA, and he said I can do something with that difference
(.08/mile) on taxes.
I am not up on this, but I don't think my company has to follow the IRS rate
of 36 cents a mile...do they??
...Dave
"Michelle Vadeboncoeur" <mrv@kluge.net> wrote in message
news:5ce77eb2.0403071152.30d89071@posting.google.c om...
> "Dave Edwards" <kd2e@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<iYWdneYF3uDN2dbdRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
> > Dave.... Hi.. Just wanted to compare notes with you.
> > I will also be putting my Olds Intrigue out to pasture soon.
> > I wonder what year yours' is, and what kind of problems you have had
with
> > it?
> > Mine is a '98 with 120 something thousand on it.
> > It had a new engine at 90 something thousand and a rebuilt transmission.
> > So, having spent that money, and its paid for...I am trying to squeeze
it
> > for all it is worth.
> > When it dies, or needs a lot more money...I am looking at a Sonata,
XG350,
> > or perhaps a Toyota Prius. I get 28 cents a mile from work, so the
mileage
> > thing of the Prius would be nice.
>
> Where do you live? In the US, for the 2003 tax year, the federal
> government's "standard mileage rate for operating your car in 2003
> is 36 cents a mile for all business miles."
> See IRS Publication 463, "Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car
> Expenses" : http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p463.pdf

David Wright

"Dave Edwards" <kd2e@comcast.net> wrote in
news:HvadnZEcSrwqG9bdRVn-uw@comcast.com:

> Michelle....
> My company is a bit on the 'frugal' side.
> My brother is a CPA, and he said I can do something with that
> difference (.08/mile) on taxes.
> I am not up on this, but I don't think my company has to follow the
> IRS rate of 36 cents a mile...do they??

Dave,
No, they don't. I am employed by the Univ. of Colorado (no recruiting
jokes, please), and they also allow only $0.28. The standard explanation is
that the employee can claim the difference as unreimbursed business expense
on his/her personal tax return. Of course, that presumes that the employee
itemizes, and that he/she can realize the entire amount (not likely).
Basically, it's a take-it-or-leave-it attitude on the part of the employer.

(FYI, for 2004 the government rate has increased to $0.375.)
DW

Pete & Cindy

that is one UGLY car....



"Jason" <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote in message
news:t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com...
> On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi.
> >Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
> >expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
> >Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
> >alternative.
> >
> >However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
> >the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
> >somewhere), and soft ride.
> >
> >Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >DW
>
> I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
> without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
> kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
> those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
> posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>
> -----
>
> If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
> almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
> in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
> opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
> Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
> the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
> 2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
> mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
> Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
> I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
> it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg

Jason

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 22:51:18 GMT, "Pete & Cindy" <range1@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>that is one UGLY car....
>
>
>
>"Jason" <none.of.your.business@see.left.of.at.com> wrote in message
>news:t81l40tjq9iekn7emq7cf8bq75a36r8a3e@4ax.com.. .
>> On 6 Mar 2004 17:26:33 -0700, David Wright <dlwright@prolynx.omit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi.
>> >Just wondering whether there have been any advance indications of what to
>> >expect. I love my Elantra GT-5, and before long we'll be putting our Olds
>> >Intrigue out to pasture, so we're thinking about a Sonata as a family-car
>> >alternative.
>> >
>> >However, I wasn't quite sold on the 2003/2004 versions -- Concerns about
>> >the auto tranny, engine performance (no flames, please; only what I read
>> >somewhere), and soft ride.
>> >
>> >Really would like to like the next model year. Any insights?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >DW
>>
>> I'm stupid, sorry. I just sent 1MB worth of pictures to this group
>> without even thinking that it is a text-only group and Giganews would
>> kill it. Below is a repost of the message with links to the pics for
>> those who are interested but do not have a server that accepts binary
>> posts outside of the alt.binaries.* groups.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> If the NF is not released early, the 2005 model year Sonata should be
>> almost identical to the rest of the EF2 Sonatas. The 2006 (appearing
>> in spring of 2005) Sonata is a redesign (Code NF). It is, in my
>> opinion, pretty damn ugly when compared to the 2002-2004 (Code EF2)
>> Sonata (pictures attached). Engine choices are still unconfirmed but
>> the prevalent rumors say that the Theta (4 cylinder engine in 1.8L,
>> 2.0L, and 2.4L forms with much more low-end torque and better gas
>> mileage than the corresponding Beta II and Sirius II engines) and
>> Delta (the 2.7L V6 currently used) will be used, as well as a 3.0L V6
>> I don't have any details on except that it is 200 HP (I've heard that
>> it may be the same engine that Chrysler uses in the Seabring Coupe).
>>
>> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata1.jpg
>> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata2.jpg
>> http://yk911.homestead.com/files/sonata/sonata3.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41480.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41481.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41482.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41483.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41484.jpg
>> http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/41485.jpg
>

That's what I said. There are so many things I don't like about it, I
don't know where to start...