has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my stepson's
Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack. any
thoughts? thanks

 

"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
stepson's
> Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
> wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
> new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
> before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack.
any
> thoughts? thanks
>
>

Yeah, I have a thought. $118 for a car batter is absurd! Tell your stepson
he's got my sympathy for getting ripped off like that.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
stepson's
> Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
> wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
> new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
> before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack.
any
> thoughts? thanks
>
>

Yeah, I have a thought. $118 for a car batter is absurd! Tell your stepson
he's got my sympathy for getting ripped off like that.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
stepson's
> Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
> wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
> new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
> before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack.
any
> thoughts? thanks
>
>

Yeah, I have a thought. $118 for a car batter is absurd! Tell your stepson
he's got my sympathy for getting ripped off like that.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

my thoughts exactly. great dealer hey? no wonder i never take my cars in.

 

my thoughts exactly. great dealer hey? no wonder i never take my cars in.

 

my thoughts exactly. great dealer hey? no wonder i never take my cars in.

 

its my observation that a good12 v battery is really more like almost 13
volts unloaded. Did it light the headlights brightly? Did it blow the hown
loudly? ie Did it adequately power all the other stuff?.....anyways your kid
will probably be more likely to get out a wrench and change it himself next
time around...ps how old was the battery? pps were the terminals/cables
clean and making good contact?...don't know why your portable unit didn't
work.
..
"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
> stepson's Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery
> and at the wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position
> sensor were new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it
> runs ,where before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable
> power pack. any thoughts? thanks
>

 

its my observation that a good12 v battery is really more like almost 13
volts unloaded. Did it light the headlights brightly? Did it blow the hown
loudly? ie Did it adequately power all the other stuff?.....anyways your kid
will probably be more likely to get out a wrench and change it himself next
time around...ps how old was the battery? pps were the terminals/cables
clean and making good contact?...don't know why your portable unit didn't
work.
..
"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
> stepson's Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery
> and at the wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position
> sensor were new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it
> runs ,where before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable
> power pack. any thoughts? thanks
>

 

its my observation that a good12 v battery is really more like almost 13
volts unloaded. Did it light the headlights brightly? Did it blow the hown
loudly? ie Did it adequately power all the other stuff?.....anyways your kid
will probably be more likely to get out a wrench and change it himself next
time around...ps how old was the battery? pps were the terminals/cables
clean and making good contact?...don't know why your portable unit didn't
work.
..
"randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
> the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
> stepson's Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery
> and at the wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position
> sensor were new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it
> runs ,where before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable
> power pack. any thoughts? thanks
>

 

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, "randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

>has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
>the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my stepson's
>Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
>wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
>new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
>before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack. any
>thoughts? thanks
>

12 v is too low. It should be around 13.6V.

It's not a case of turning on a "defense mechanism", rather an issue
of not haveing enough voltage to turn on the computer and other
devices. I suspect the voltage would really drop when cranking so
that even if there was enough power to see the dash and light some
lights the voltage level would drop below the sensor and computer
minimums during cranking.

BTW, price would not be that bad. Figure an hour labor plus the cost
of the battery for diagnosis and installation. Dealers have to pay
taxes and eat too.

 

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, "randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

>has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
>the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my stepson's
>Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
>wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
>new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
>before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack. any
>thoughts? thanks
>

12 v is too low. It should be around 13.6V.

It's not a case of turning on a "defense mechanism", rather an issue
of not haveing enough voltage to turn on the computer and other
devices. I suspect the voltage would really drop when cranking so
that even if there was enough power to see the dash and light some
lights the voltage level would drop below the sensor and computer
minimums during cranking.

BTW, price would not be that bad. Figure an hour labor plus the cost
of the battery for diagnosis and installation. Dealers have to pay
taxes and eat too.

 

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:50:45 GMT, "randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com>
wrote:

>has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
>the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my stepson's
>Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
>wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
>new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
>before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack. any
>thoughts? thanks
>

12 v is too low. It should be around 13.6V.

It's not a case of turning on a "defense mechanism", rather an issue
of not haveing enough voltage to turn on the computer and other
devices. I suspect the voltage would really drop when cranking so
that even if there was enough power to see the dash and light some
lights the voltage level would drop below the sensor and computer
minimums during cranking.

BTW, price would not be that bad. Figure an hour labor plus the cost
of the battery for diagnosis and installation. Dealers have to pay
taxes and eat too.

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
>>the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
>
> stepson's
>
>>Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
>>wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
>>new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
>>before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack.
>
> any
>
>>thoughts? thanks
>>
>>
>
>
> Yeah, I have a thought. $118 for a car batter is absurd! Tell your stepson
> he's got my sympathy for getting ripped off like that.

Yes, if that was the battery alone that is a rip-off. If it was the
total bill for diagnosis and replacement of the battery as well as the
battery, then I'd say it wasn't unreasonable.


Matt

 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "randy pape" <rpape1@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:VdD%f.42563$ty4.37575@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>>has anyone ever heard of a battery having a dead cell and then turning on
>>the defense mechanism of the computer so your car won't start? my
>
> stepson's
>
>>Hyundai accent wouldn't start and i got 12 volts at the battery and at the
>>wiring harness to the coils. the coils and crankshaft position sensor were
>>new. the dealer charged him $118.00 for the battery and now it runs ,where
>>before we got no spark, even if i jumped it with a portable power pack.
>
> any
>
>>thoughts? thanks
>>
>>
>
>
> Yeah, I have a thought. $118 for a car batter is absurd! Tell your stepson
> he's got my sympathy for getting ripped off like that.

Yes, if that was the battery alone that is a rip-off. If it was the
total bill for diagnosis and replacement of the battery as well as the
battery, then I'd say it wasn't unreasonable.


Matt