Best Deals?
08-07-2003, 07:46 PM
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Re: Best Deals?
In article <3F32D780.D1ACF11F@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
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> What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> up on the lots?
Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
$1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
domestic automaker practice.
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wrote:
> What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> up on the lots?
Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
$1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
domestic automaker practice.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
2003 Chianti Red Elantra GT
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08-07-2003, 10:30 PM
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Re: Best Deals?
>>
Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with $1500
or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a lot more
money by trying to time your purchase.
>>
Hyundai's overall strategy is different than the more established brands.
Your leverage is limited by: 1) the dealer's invoice, 2) the dealer's
"holdback" (about 2.5 percent on Hyundais; up to 5 percent on competitive
makes), and 3) rebates.
If the dealer made absolutely no money on the deal, he *could* sell you the car
for ( 0.975 * invoice - rebates ) .
08-08-2003, 02:31 AM
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Re: Best Deals?
In article <3F330C69.38F1DBD1@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
wrote:
> Jerry Kindall wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F32D780.D1ACF11F@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> > > Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> > > up on the lots?
> >
> > Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
> > $1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
> > lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
> > case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
> > domestic automaker practice.
>
> Yeah ... my local dealer is offering 1000 dollar discount OR a 1.9
> apr. Seems I remember better deals last Feb on the left over 2002's
Last January, when I bought my GT, the dealer I bought it from had
about three 2002 models. They were a bit cheaper but only because
Hyundai increased the sticker for 2003 -- there was no special price
break on the older models.
Most automakers have at least one mid-year price increase. They have
already increased the price of the 2003s by a couple hundred bucks this
year and could do so again before the 2004s arrive. So even if you get
a couple hundred bucks off, you might still be paying what you would
have paid if you bought now.
So I'd still say buy now if you want a 2003. Or if you want to wait
and see what they offer for 2004 (variable valve timing on the engine,
for one -- might be worth it if you can wait), then do that.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
2003 Chianti Red Elantra GT
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wrote:
> Jerry Kindall wrote:
> >
> > In article <3F32D780.D1ACF11F@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> > > Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> > > up on the lots?
> >
> > Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
> > $1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
> > lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
> > case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
> > domestic automaker practice.
>
> Yeah ... my local dealer is offering 1000 dollar discount OR a 1.9
> apr. Seems I remember better deals last Feb on the left over 2002's
Last January, when I bought my GT, the dealer I bought it from had
about three 2002 models. They were a bit cheaper but only because
Hyundai increased the sticker for 2003 -- there was no special price
break on the older models.
Most automakers have at least one mid-year price increase. They have
already increased the price of the 2003s by a couple hundred bucks this
year and could do so again before the 2004s arrive. So even if you get
a couple hundred bucks off, you might still be paying what you would
have paid if you bought now.
So I'd still say buy now if you want a 2003. Or if you want to wait
and see what they offer for 2004 (variable valve timing on the engine,
for one -- might be worth it if you can wait), then do that.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
2003 Chianti Red Elantra GT
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08-09-2003, 09:17 PM
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Re: Best Deals?
Jerry Kindall wrote:
>
> In article <3F330C69.38F1DBD1@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jerry Kindall wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3F32D780.D1ACF11F@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> > > > Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> > > > up on the lots?
> > >
> > > Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
> > > $1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
> > > lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
> > > case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
> > > domestic automaker practice.
> >
> > Yeah ... my local dealer is offering 1000 dollar discount OR a 1.9
> > apr. Seems I remember better deals last Feb on the left over 2002's
>
> Last January, when I bought my GT, the dealer I bought it from had
> about three 2002 models. They were a bit cheaper but only because
> Hyundai increased the sticker for 2003 -- there was no special price
> break on the older models.
>
> Most automakers have at least one mid-year price increase. They have
> already increased the price of the 2003s by a couple hundred bucks this
> year and could do so again before the 2004s arrive. So even if you get
> a couple hundred bucks off, you might still be paying what you would
> have paid if you bought now.
>
> So I'd still say buy now if you want a 2003. Or if you want to wait
> and see what they offer for 2004 (variable valve timing on the engine,
> for one -- might be worth it if you can wait), then do that.
>
> --
> Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
Thanks Jerry - What is variable valve timing and what is its
advantage?
Gary
>
> In article <3F330C69.38F1DBD1@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Jerry Kindall wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3F32D780.D1ACF11F@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the best time to buy? For instances, if I want a 2003
> > > > Accent, will they be significantly discounted when the 2004's show
> > > > up on the lots?
> > >
> > > Given that Hyundai is selling cars right around invoice right now, with
> > > $1500 or even more cash back rebates, I am dubious that you will save a
> > > lot more money by trying to time your purchase. I believe that in any
> > > case the end-of-year discounts (usually dealer incentives) are more a
> > > domestic automaker practice.
> >
> > Yeah ... my local dealer is offering 1000 dollar discount OR a 1.9
> > apr. Seems I remember better deals last Feb on the left over 2002's
>
> Last January, when I bought my GT, the dealer I bought it from had
> about three 2002 models. They were a bit cheaper but only because
> Hyundai increased the sticker for 2003 -- there was no special price
> break on the older models.
>
> Most automakers have at least one mid-year price increase. They have
> already increased the price of the 2003s by a couple hundred bucks this
> year and could do so again before the 2004s arrive. So even if you get
> a couple hundred bucks off, you might still be paying what you would
> have paid if you bought now.
>
> So I'd still say buy now if you want a 2003. Or if you want to wait
> and see what they offer for 2004 (variable valve timing on the engine,
> for one -- might be worth it if you can wait), then do that.
>
> --
> Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
Thanks Jerry - What is variable valve timing and what is its
advantage?
Gary
08-10-2003, 05:38 AM
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Re: Best Deals?
In article <3F359D12.75FA4920@capecod.net>, gareth <gareth@capecod.net>
wrote:
> Thanks Jerry - What is variable valve timing and what is its
> advantage?
Basically, they manipulate the timing of the intake and/or exhaust
valves, depending on conditions. There is no single timing that is
best for all conditions, so engines with fixed timing are a compromise
of sorts. The result of variable valve timing is better fuel economy
and/or more power, depending on how the system is tuned. I imagine
they are going for the "more MPG" tuning on the Elantra, but I happen
to think a little extra low-end torque wouldn't hurt.
Variable valve timing is one of the reasons a gas-powered 2003 Civic
gets 38 MPG highway while a gas-powered 2003 Elantra gets 33 MPG hwy.
There are other reasons, of course. For one, the Civic's engine has a
smaller displacement and generates less power. But the variable valve
timing is probably responsible for at least 3 MPG of that.
Hyundai's variable valve timing system is already on Elantras currently
being sold in Korea and I believe it is slated to appear on the 2004
models here in the US.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
2003 Chianti Red Elantra GT
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wrote:
> Thanks Jerry - What is variable valve timing and what is its
> advantage?
Basically, they manipulate the timing of the intake and/or exhaust
valves, depending on conditions. There is no single timing that is
best for all conditions, so engines with fixed timing are a compromise
of sorts. The result of variable valve timing is better fuel economy
and/or more power, depending on how the system is tuned. I imagine
they are going for the "more MPG" tuning on the Elantra, but I happen
to think a little extra low-end torque wouldn't hurt.
Variable valve timing is one of the reasons a gas-powered 2003 Civic
gets 38 MPG highway while a gas-powered 2003 Elantra gets 33 MPG hwy.
There are other reasons, of course. For one, the Civic's engine has a
smaller displacement and generates less power. But the variable valve
timing is probably responsible for at least 3 MPG of that.
Hyundai's variable valve timing system is already on Elantras currently
being sold in Korea and I believe it is slated to appear on the 2004
models here in the US.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
2003 Chianti Red Elantra GT
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08-11-2003, 02:13 PM
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Re: Best Deals?
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:17:04 GMT, gareth <gareth@capecod.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> ... What is variable valve timing and what is its
>advantage?
>
> Gary
>========================
If you want more VTEC information (with pictures), go to:
<http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm>
S271
> <snip>
> ... What is variable valve timing and what is its
>advantage?
>
> Gary
>========================
If you want more VTEC information (with pictures), go to:
<http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm>
S271
08-11-2003, 09:04 PM
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Re: Best Deals?
seahorse271 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:17:04 GMT, gareth <gareth@capecod.net> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > ... What is variable valve timing and what is its
> >advantage?
> >
> > Gary
> >========================
>
> If you want more VTEC information (with pictures), go to:
> <http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm>
>
> S271
Thank you Jerry for the great explanation and thank you seahorse271
for the wonderful link !!!
Gary
>
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:17:04 GMT, gareth <gareth@capecod.net> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > ... What is variable valve timing and what is its
> >advantage?
> >
> > Gary
> >========================
>
> If you want more VTEC information (with pictures), go to:
> <http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm>
>
> S271
Thank you Jerry for the great explanation and thank you seahorse271
for the wonderful link !!!
Gary
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