Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
04-28-2006, 10:56 AM
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Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
I say this ad nauseum, but I know it to be true. Consumer Reports is not
the favorite magazine of a lot of people on this site.
However, Consumer Reports, on their website, has just given a "first-look"
at the 2007 Hyundai Azera.
They only give "first-looks" to products they are EXTREMELY impressed with,
and they are with the Azera.
They seem to love everything about this car, and even like the handling
better than on the Sonata, a curiosity.
There will be a full report in the August issue, which usually hits news
stands in July.
Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
not???
Just wondering.
Tom Wenndt
the favorite magazine of a lot of people on this site.
However, Consumer Reports, on their website, has just given a "first-look"
at the 2007 Hyundai Azera.
They only give "first-looks" to products they are EXTREMELY impressed with,
and they are with the Azera.
They seem to love everything about this car, and even like the handling
better than on the Sonata, a curiosity.
There will be a full report in the August issue, which usually hits news
stands in July.
Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
not???
Just wondering.
Tom Wenndt
04-28-2006, 03:43 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
re: CONSUMER REPORTS
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
04-28-2006, 03:43 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
re: CONSUMER REPORTS
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
04-28-2006, 03:43 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
re: CONSUMER REPORTS
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
I had subscribed for years 'n years, though decided not to renew a
coupla years ago.
I really dunno exactly why I discontinued, but here's my reaction to
Tom's note, which may hint a reason for my non-renewal.
Yes, I agree with Tom that CR seems to have generally ignored Hyundai's
excellent value.
Perhaps it was that initial 1968 model etal that weren't of good
quality, as I well recall since I had a red 1968 Hyundai that looked
good but sort of ran like a hesitating-problem walking bird and the
damne door locks literally broke too.
Circa 1970 I traded it on a brand new black Hyundai with $7000; and I
thought it was much improved:
But it subsequently got wrecked, and I think we replaced it with a
Dakota truck.
Circa 1999 we got a new Sonata GLS which my wife liked a lot, and she
(thinks she) knows something about style.
In 2003 we traded it plus money and got a close-out white Accent & a
close-out grreen-gold Elantra.
Perhaps I came to diregard/discount/not renew CR because their articles
did not seem to treat Hyundai with the due respect it has earned in the
1990s and seemingly increasingly enjoys today.
It had sorta been labelled-smeared as a "Yugo" in the 1980s: The Yugo
was sort of a 1950s Fiat perhaps worse though which sold for less than
$4,000 as I vaguely recall. CR duly hated the Yugo.
Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
small/economy cars available:
MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
CR is actually something of a snob, as I recall it also ignoring some
Oriental made electronics a couple of decades ago when I was looking-up
Taiwan & Korean made tv sets for frequency of repair and so forth.
I'm not anti-CR as such, and I've actually written them & complained
about some of the above.
They actually do an integral, valuable consumer service, but they are
not an end-all to be-all perfect publication.
To their credit: They do not accept ads.
I am certainly subject to error/correction, while it seems CR has
injustly avoided Hyundai.
04-28-2006, 04:50 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:56:21 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net>
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
04-28-2006, 04:50 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:56:21 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net>
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
04-28-2006, 04:50 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:56:21 -0500, "Rev. Tom Wenndt" <trwenndt@grics.net>
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
wrote:
>Consumer Reports liking Hyundais? Does that bode well for the cars or
>not???
>
>Just wondering.
That just means a few dozen more CR readers will try them or buy them. It's
not like their circulation is in the same class as Playboy or Better
Homes&Gardens.
I take CR's info with a grain of salt. Their "opinions" and "impressions"
are no better than yours or mine. However, their measurements are reliable
and useful. I fold their info to all the other info I gather when making a
major buy.
--
Bob
04-28-2006, 10:51 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146253432.584784.208810@e56g2000cwe.googlegr oups.com...
> re: CONSUMER REPORTS
<snipped>
> Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
> small/economy cars available:
>
> MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
I purchased a new 2005 Accent 3 door 5 speed about 9,000 miles ago, I am not
at all disappointed with the car for the price I paid. Fit and finish are
very good and I anticipate driving this car until the wheels get square. On
the other hand the dealer leaves a lot to be desired, The things he did
while writing up this deal were in my opinion, unethical if not illegal. My
sister has had similar problems with a KIA dealer. I like the car but when
it's time to replace it I probably won't buy another Hyundai unless I find a
dealer that isn't a crook.
..
Jack Cassidy
04-28-2006, 10:51 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146253432.584784.208810@e56g2000cwe.googlegr oups.com...
> re: CONSUMER REPORTS
<snipped>
> Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
> small/economy cars available:
>
> MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
I purchased a new 2005 Accent 3 door 5 speed about 9,000 miles ago, I am not
at all disappointed with the car for the price I paid. Fit and finish are
very good and I anticipate driving this car until the wheels get square. On
the other hand the dealer leaves a lot to be desired, The things he did
while writing up this deal were in my opinion, unethical if not illegal. My
sister has had similar problems with a KIA dealer. I like the car but when
it's time to replace it I probably won't buy another Hyundai unless I find a
dealer that isn't a crook.
..
Jack Cassidy
04-28-2006, 10:51 PM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146253432.584784.208810@e56g2000cwe.googlegr oups.com...
> re: CONSUMER REPORTS
<snipped>
> Recently MONEY Magazine touted the supposedly best of the el cheapo
> small/economy cars available:
>
> MONEY likes the Accent, though doesn't mention Elantra.
I purchased a new 2005 Accent 3 door 5 speed about 9,000 miles ago, I am not
at all disappointed with the car for the price I paid. Fit and finish are
very good and I anticipate driving this car until the wheels get square. On
the other hand the dealer leaves a lot to be desired, The things he did
while writing up this deal were in my opinion, unethical if not illegal. My
sister has had similar problems with a KIA dealer. I like the car but when
it's time to replace it I probably won't buy another Hyundai unless I find a
dealer that isn't a crook.
..
Jack Cassidy
04-29-2006, 08:33 AM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
re: dealer tricks
I am not making this one up:
The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
domestic piece of crape.
I am not making this one up:
The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
domestic piece of crape.
04-29-2006, 08:33 AM
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Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
re: dealer tricks
I am not making this one up:
The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
domestic piece of crape.
I am not making this one up:
The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
domestic piece of crape.