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re: dealer tricks

I am not making this one up:

The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.

I complained to the FTC , and got no response.

And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.

I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
domestic piece of crape.

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"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146314016.721821.252920@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> re: dealer tricks
>
> I am not making this one up:
>
> The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
> swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
> would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
>
> I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
>
> And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
>
> I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
> domestic piece of crape.

Well, Our dealer didn't remove the window sticker, and it still had the
protective plastic on the hood and fenders when I test drove it. What he did
do was sneak an extra $2,200.00 into the deal with an extended warranty.
(extended to 100,000 miles, Duh! the car has a 100.000 mile warranty on it)
A tire warranty that was $650.00 (on a car with 13" wheels) window etching,
(in case it gets stolen, I don't care if someone steals it, it's insured)
and gap insurance, which I probably would have bought if anyone had asked.
I did manage to cancel the extended warranty and tire warranty at a cost of
$75.00 to me. But I didn't like the idea that these items were just written
into the deal without any mentioning them. I know it's my own fault for not
going over the paperwork before leaving the dealer but it was late and we
needed to be somewhere else, Didn't discover the unauthorized add ones until
the next day.
The last two new cars I purchased were a 2000 Grand Marquis and a 1999 F250
super duty Ford truck, Both of those deals were at a good price with no
hidden bullshit. The reason I went for the Hyundai is I now have a rather
long daily commute so I wanted a car with a long warranty and low initial
price and decent fuel mileage.
I learned a good lesson, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
Jack Cassidy

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146314016.721821.252920@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> re: dealer tricks
>
> I am not making this one up:
>
> The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
> swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
> would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
>
> I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
>
> And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
>
> I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
> domestic piece of crape.

Well, Our dealer didn't remove the window sticker, and it still had the
protective plastic on the hood and fenders when I test drove it. What he did
do was sneak an extra $2,200.00 into the deal with an extended warranty.
(extended to 100,000 miles, Duh! the car has a 100.000 mile warranty on it)
A tire warranty that was $650.00 (on a car with 13" wheels) window etching,
(in case it gets stolen, I don't care if someone steals it, it's insured)
and gap insurance, which I probably would have bought if anyone had asked.
I did manage to cancel the extended warranty and tire warranty at a cost of
$75.00 to me. But I didn't like the idea that these items were just written
into the deal without any mentioning them. I know it's my own fault for not
going over the paperwork before leaving the dealer but it was late and we
needed to be somewhere else, Didn't discover the unauthorized add ones until
the next day.
The last two new cars I purchased were a 2000 Grand Marquis and a 1999 F250
super duty Ford truck, Both of those deals were at a good price with no
hidden bullshit. The reason I went for the Hyundai is I now have a rather
long daily commute so I wanted a car with a long warranty and low initial
price and decent fuel mileage.
I learned a good lesson, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
Jack Cassidy

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1146314016.721821.252920@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> re: dealer tricks
>
> I am not making this one up:
>
> The well-known dealer my wife purchased her Sonata from--i
> swear--removed the sticker sheet from the window, apparently so she
> would not be able to understand how badly he cheated her.
>
> I complained to the FTC , and got no response.
>
> And of course this doesn't mean they're all liars & theives.
>
> I figure it's better to be cheated on a good value foreign make than a
> domestic piece of crape.

Well, Our dealer didn't remove the window sticker, and it still had the
protective plastic on the hood and fenders when I test drove it. What he did
do was sneak an extra $2,200.00 into the deal with an extended warranty.
(extended to 100,000 miles, Duh! the car has a 100.000 mile warranty on it)
A tire warranty that was $650.00 (on a car with 13" wheels) window etching,
(in case it gets stolen, I don't care if someone steals it, it's insured)
and gap insurance, which I probably would have bought if anyone had asked.
I did manage to cancel the extended warranty and tire warranty at a cost of
$75.00 to me. But I didn't like the idea that these items were just written
into the deal without any mentioning them. I know it's my own fault for not
going over the paperwork before leaving the dealer but it was late and we
needed to be somewhere else, Didn't discover the unauthorized add ones until
the next day.
The last two new cars I purchased were a 2000 Grand Marquis and a 1999 F250
super duty Ford truck, Both of those deals were at a good price with no
hidden bullshit. The reason I went for the Hyundai is I now have a rather
long daily commute so I wanted a car with a long warranty and low initial
price and decent fuel mileage.
I learned a good lesson, who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?
Jack Cassidy

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Removing the "Moroni Sticker," except in the presence of the buyer, is
flat-out illegal. I would have absolutely ran as fast as I could have
from that dealer.

I sold new cars for a short time a couple of years ago (between jobs!)
at a local Dodge-Jeep dealership. Since it was a family-owned (since
1943), and a Daimler-Chrysler "5-Star" dealership, they were extremely
serious on training their sales staff, and on treating their customers
fairly and ethically.

A dealer simply cannot remove the window sticker prior to a sale, or
not in the presence of the buyer. In fact, we were not allowed to
remove the sticker unless we asked permission of the buyer during the
final delivery process.

I would have taken this not only to the FTC, but to the local States
Attorney, and Hyundai corporate. At the very least, the salesman
should be fired, and at best, the dealership looked at very carefully
by Hyundai.

I guess I'm lucky . . . the Hyundai dealer we purchased our new 2006
Elantra from in Downers Grove, IL was very up-front on every item. I
knew the final price before I drove to the dealership, as I dealt with
their Internet Manager. Each item was individually discussed, and I
had the option of accepting or rejecting each. And, no pressure was
exerted by the F&I Manager during closing of the sale in regard to the
extended warranty, etc. Other than the options listed on the Moroni
Sticker, A/T and carpet floor mats, that was it - no additional packs
or add-ons. The total delivered price, including TT&L was $13,700 for
an Elantra GLS sedan with automatic transmission. And, our local
dealer (150 miles south of Chicago) is excellent. They treat Hyundai
owners as if the car was a Lexus. So, I guess there are good Hyundai
dealers out there.

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

Removing the "Moroni Sticker," except in the presence of the buyer, is
flat-out illegal. I would have absolutely ran as fast as I could have
from that dealer.

I sold new cars for a short time a couple of years ago (between jobs!)
at a local Dodge-Jeep dealership. Since it was a family-owned (since
1943), and a Daimler-Chrysler "5-Star" dealership, they were extremely
serious on training their sales staff, and on treating their customers
fairly and ethically.

A dealer simply cannot remove the window sticker prior to a sale, or
not in the presence of the buyer. In fact, we were not allowed to
remove the sticker unless we asked permission of the buyer during the
final delivery process.

I would have taken this not only to the FTC, but to the local States
Attorney, and Hyundai corporate. At the very least, the salesman
should be fired, and at best, the dealership looked at very carefully
by Hyundai.

I guess I'm lucky . . . the Hyundai dealer we purchased our new 2006
Elantra from in Downers Grove, IL was very up-front on every item. I
knew the final price before I drove to the dealership, as I dealt with
their Internet Manager. Each item was individually discussed, and I
had the option of accepting or rejecting each. And, no pressure was
exerted by the F&I Manager during closing of the sale in regard to the
extended warranty, etc. Other than the options listed on the Moroni
Sticker, A/T and carpet floor mats, that was it - no additional packs
or add-ons. The total delivered price, including TT&L was $13,700 for
an Elantra GLS sedan with automatic transmission. And, our local
dealer (150 miles south of Chicago) is excellent. They treat Hyundai
owners as if the car was a Lexus. So, I guess there are good Hyundai
dealers out there.

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

Removing the "Moroni Sticker," except in the presence of the buyer, is
flat-out illegal. I would have absolutely ran as fast as I could have
from that dealer.

I sold new cars for a short time a couple of years ago (between jobs!)
at a local Dodge-Jeep dealership. Since it was a family-owned (since
1943), and a Daimler-Chrysler "5-Star" dealership, they were extremely
serious on training their sales staff, and on treating their customers
fairly and ethically.

A dealer simply cannot remove the window sticker prior to a sale, or
not in the presence of the buyer. In fact, we were not allowed to
remove the sticker unless we asked permission of the buyer during the
final delivery process.

I would have taken this not only to the FTC, but to the local States
Attorney, and Hyundai corporate. At the very least, the salesman
should be fired, and at best, the dealership looked at very carefully
by Hyundai.

I guess I'm lucky . . . the Hyundai dealer we purchased our new 2006
Elantra from in Downers Grove, IL was very up-front on every item. I
knew the final price before I drove to the dealership, as I dealt with
their Internet Manager. Each item was individually discussed, and I
had the option of accepting or rejecting each. And, no pressure was
exerted by the F&I Manager during closing of the sale in regard to the
extended warranty, etc. Other than the options listed on the Moroni
Sticker, A/T and carpet floor mats, that was it - no additional packs
or add-ons. The total delivered price, including TT&L was $13,700 for
an Elantra GLS sedan with automatic transmission. And, our local
dealer (150 miles south of Chicago) is excellent. They treat Hyundai
owners as if the car was a Lexus. So, I guess there are good Hyundai
dealers out there.

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re: run away from bad-dealing dealer

Yes, of course, in theory and where practical,
don't go back to them thar crooks.

Our free enterprise blah blah blah capitalist system in all of its
choices in its ideal.

This dealer is so
big that he covers seemingly most/much of a 400,000 population county.

He was there seemingly
from the start of Hyundai in USA, and operates more than one Hyundai
dealership.

The next nearest Hyundai
dealer is 40+ miles one-way, and I doubt if....any less dishonest
<sorry, but I'm a very convicted absurdist & cynic>.

The expression, "only game in town," is the near actual reality.

"That's the way it eing is" <not exactly Walter Concrete's good-bye
line>.

That's partly why that if a competitor from the U.S., Mexico, Brazil,
Korea, China, India, France, or wherever has a better value car, then
....that's free blah blah enterprise.

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

re: run away from bad-dealing dealer

Yes, of course, in theory and where practical,
don't go back to them thar crooks.

Our free enterprise blah blah blah capitalist system in all of its
choices in its ideal.

This dealer is so
big that he covers seemingly most/much of a 400,000 population county.

He was there seemingly
from the start of Hyundai in USA, and operates more than one Hyundai
dealership.

The next nearest Hyundai
dealer is 40+ miles one-way, and I doubt if....any less dishonest
<sorry, but I'm a very convicted absurdist & cynic>.

The expression, "only game in town," is the near actual reality.

"That's the way it eing is" <not exactly Walter Concrete's good-bye
line>.

That's partly why that if a competitor from the U.S., Mexico, Brazil,
Korea, China, India, France, or wherever has a better value car, then
....that's free blah blah enterprise.

Re: Can We Take Another Consumer Reports Review?
 

re: run away from bad-dealing dealer

Yes, of course, in theory and where practical,
don't go back to them thar crooks.

Our free enterprise blah blah blah capitalist system in all of its
choices in its ideal.

This dealer is so
big that he covers seemingly most/much of a 400,000 population county.

He was there seemingly
from the start of Hyundai in USA, and operates more than one Hyundai
dealership.

The next nearest Hyundai
dealer is 40+ miles one-way, and I doubt if....any less dishonest
<sorry, but I'm a very convicted absurdist & cynic>.

The expression, "only game in town," is the near actual reality.

"That's the way it eing is" <not exactly Walter Concrete's good-bye
line>.

That's partly why that if a competitor from the U.S., Mexico, Brazil,
Korea, China, India, France, or wherever has a better value car, then
....that's free blah blah enterprise.