JS

Chinacarforums wrote:
> news wrote:
>> "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>>> china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out of
>>> competition.
>>> see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
>>
>>
>> John Dinkel was quoate as staying
>> "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like quality"
>>
>> loosely translated...
>> "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
>
> Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
>
> All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
>
> We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!

Asians have been programmed for too many generations to simply follow
commands. These kinds of people are absolutely useless for building and
designing innovative products. Unless China can steal someone else's
technology, they're simply stuck.

There are bad sides to this. Chinese industry (since they're a
communist country you must consider all industry there the government's)
will pay tons of money for stolen technology from anywhere else.
Aproximately 5 years ago China stole a formula to make electrolytic
capacitor 'goop', and instead of doing any long term testing they rushed
parts to market (often badging them with Japanese manufacturer
logos/labels) which generally failed within 6-18 months due to chemical
breakdown - they had an incomplete version of the formula.

Recently a bunch of NEC parts (I've personally seen the optical drives)
were cloned in china and badged with NEC labels. They "mostly" work,
but have outrageously annoying bugs and do not accept flash loads from
legitimate NEC firmware download sites...

More info, see here: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3000

But, China does have a whole lot of slave labor (communism) so getting
things done there is fairly cheap - at least on parts where quality
isn't a major concern (thats why General Motors outsources part building
there - quality isn't even a concern)

JS

news

"Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> news wrote:
> > "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > > china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> > > competition.
> > > see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >
> >
> >
> > John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> > "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >
> > loosely translated...
> > "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
>
> Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
>
> All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
>
> We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!


As long as China is run by a bunch of tyrants, they have nothing to offer
this world.
The true SAD part is, 75+ % of the Chinese people will still live in
poverty, oppressed, have no say in the political process. persecuted, jailed
without due process and God knows how many people have been ruthlessly
killed.
SHAME ON China's government.

news

"Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> news wrote:
> > "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > > china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> > > competition.
> > > see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >
> >
> >
> > John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> > "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >
> > loosely translated...
> > "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
>
> Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
>
> All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
>
> We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!


As long as China is run by a bunch of tyrants, they have nothing to offer
this world.
The true SAD part is, 75+ % of the Chinese people will still live in
poverty, oppressed, have no say in the political process. persecuted, jailed
without due process and God knows how many people have been ruthlessly
killed.
SHAME ON China's government.

news

"Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149457805.938195.252620@j55g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> news wrote:
> > "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > > china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> > > competition.
> > > see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >
> >
> >
> > John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> > "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >
> > loosely translated...
> > "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
>
> Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
>
> All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
>
> We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!


As long as China is run by a bunch of tyrants, they have nothing to offer
this world.
The true SAD part is, 75+ % of the Chinese people will still live in
poverty, oppressed, have no say in the political process. persecuted, jailed
without due process and God knows how many people have been ruthlessly
killed.
SHAME ON China's government.

news

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news4Lgg.189216$ZM6.72361@fe05.usenetserver.com. ..
> Chinacarforums wrote:
> > news wrote:
> >> "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >>> china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> >>> competition.
> >>> see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >>
> >>
> >> John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> >> "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >>
> >> loosely translated...
> >> "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
> >
> > Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> > with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
> >
> > All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
> >
> > We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> > it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!
>
> Asians have been programmed for too many generations to simply follow
> commands. These kinds of people are absolutely useless for building and
> designing innovative products. Unless China can steal someone else's
> technology, they're simply stuck.
>
> There are bad sides to this. Chinese industry (since they're a
> communist country you must consider all industry there the government's)
> will pay tons of money for stolen technology from anywhere else.
> Aproximately 5 years ago China stole a formula to make electrolytic
> capacitor 'goop', and instead of doing any long term testing they rushed
> parts to market (often badging them with Japanese manufacturer
> logos/labels) which generally failed within 6-18 months due to chemical
> breakdown - they had an incomplete version of the formula.
>
> Recently a bunch of NEC parts (I've personally seen the optical drives)
> were cloned in china and badged with NEC labels. They "mostly" work,
> but have outrageously annoying bugs and do not accept flash loads from
> legitimate NEC firmware download sites...
>
> More info, see here: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3000
>
> But, China does have a whole lot of slave labor (communism) so getting
> things done there is fairly cheap - at least on parts where quality
> isn't a major concern (thats why General Motors outsources part building
> there - quality isn't even a concern)


this is probably the scariest and sickest of them all..

even prescription drugs are being dumped on our shores.
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1465.html

http://www.newsgd.com/news/China1/200605150065.htm

news

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news4Lgg.189216$ZM6.72361@fe05.usenetserver.com. ..
> Chinacarforums wrote:
> > news wrote:
> >> "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >>> china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> >>> competition.
> >>> see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >>
> >>
> >> John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> >> "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >>
> >> loosely translated...
> >> "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
> >
> > Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> > with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
> >
> > All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
> >
> > We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> > it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!
>
> Asians have been programmed for too many generations to simply follow
> commands. These kinds of people are absolutely useless for building and
> designing innovative products. Unless China can steal someone else's
> technology, they're simply stuck.
>
> There are bad sides to this. Chinese industry (since they're a
> communist country you must consider all industry there the government's)
> will pay tons of money for stolen technology from anywhere else.
> Aproximately 5 years ago China stole a formula to make electrolytic
> capacitor 'goop', and instead of doing any long term testing they rushed
> parts to market (often badging them with Japanese manufacturer
> logos/labels) which generally failed within 6-18 months due to chemical
> breakdown - they had an incomplete version of the formula.
>
> Recently a bunch of NEC parts (I've personally seen the optical drives)
> were cloned in china and badged with NEC labels. They "mostly" work,
> but have outrageously annoying bugs and do not accept flash loads from
> legitimate NEC firmware download sites...
>
> More info, see here: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3000
>
> But, China does have a whole lot of slave labor (communism) so getting
> things done there is fairly cheap - at least on parts where quality
> isn't a major concern (thats why General Motors outsources part building
> there - quality isn't even a concern)


this is probably the scariest and sickest of them all..

even prescription drugs are being dumped on our shores.
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1465.html

http://www.newsgd.com/news/China1/200605150065.htm

news

"JS" <jsuter@intrastardot.net> wrote in message
news4Lgg.189216$ZM6.72361@fe05.usenetserver.com. ..
> Chinacarforums wrote:
> > news wrote:
> >> "Chinacarforums" <chinacarforums@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1149088309.559661.290020@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >>> china autos are soon to make korea vehicles history beating them out
of
> >>> competition.
> >>> see http://www.chinacarforums.com for more info
> >>
> >>
> >> John Dinkel was quoate as staying
> >> "cars from china will be 30-40% cheaper, and will have Lexus like
quality"
> >>
> >> loosely translated...
> >> "We'll slap an Armani Suit, on a Yugo"
> >
> > Its hard to compare a Yugo, to a Chery. Chery is much more advanced,
> > with modern funding, resources, engineering and a giant market.
> >
> > All that is needed is a little more funding towards Safety.
> >
> > We will see Chery make it far, if china is to be next superpower...then
> > it has to produce top companies in every sector including auto!
>
> Asians have been programmed for too many generations to simply follow
> commands. These kinds of people are absolutely useless for building and
> designing innovative products. Unless China can steal someone else's
> technology, they're simply stuck.
>
> There are bad sides to this. Chinese industry (since they're a
> communist country you must consider all industry there the government's)
> will pay tons of money for stolen technology from anywhere else.
> Aproximately 5 years ago China stole a formula to make electrolytic
> capacitor 'goop', and instead of doing any long term testing they rushed
> parts to market (often badging them with Japanese manufacturer
> logos/labels) which generally failed within 6-18 months due to chemical
> breakdown - they had an incomplete version of the formula.
>
> Recently a bunch of NEC parts (I've personally seen the optical drives)
> were cloned in china and badged with NEC labels. They "mostly" work,
> but have outrageously annoying bugs and do not accept flash loads from
> legitimate NEC firmware download sites...
>
> More info, see here: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3000
>
> But, China does have a whole lot of slave labor (communism) so getting
> things done there is fairly cheap - at least on parts where quality
> isn't a major concern (thats why General Motors outsources part building
> there - quality isn't even a concern)


this is probably the scariest and sickest of them all..

even prescription drugs are being dumped on our shores.
http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/1465.html

http://www.newsgd.com/news/China1/200605150065.htm

Robert Cohen

An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
economics course circa early-mid 1960s:

A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:

Loosely:

"The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
automobiles...."

And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
ago.

There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.

Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
Chinese car and/or
perhaps truck will
be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.

There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at

CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

"awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

Robert Cohen

An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
economics course circa early-mid 1960s:

A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:

Loosely:

"The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
automobiles...."

And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
ago.

There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.

Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
Chinese car and/or
perhaps truck will
be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.

There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at

CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

"awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

Robert Cohen

An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
economics course circa early-mid 1960s:

A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:

Loosely:

"The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
automobiles...."

And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
ago.

There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.

Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
Chinese car and/or
perhaps truck will
be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.

There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at

CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

"awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

JS

Robert Cohen wrote:

> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

China is too busy trying to screw everyone over to even keep up with one
Japan.

What do you expect from communists?

JS

JS

Robert Cohen wrote:

> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

China is too busy trying to screw everyone over to even keep up with one
Japan.

What do you expect from communists?

JS

JS

Robert Cohen wrote:

> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS

China is too busy trying to screw everyone over to even keep up with one
Japan.

What do you expect from communists?

JS

news

"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
>
> A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
>
> Loosely:
>
> "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> automobiles...."
>
> And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> ago.
>
> There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
>
> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
>
> There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
>
> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
>
> "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
taking over the US.
They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
their lesson)
The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
(economically or defensively)

As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the US
for a fair chance at competing for the best product.

news

"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
>
> A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
>
> Loosely:
>
> "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> automobiles...."
>
> And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> ago.
>
> There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
>
> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
>
> There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
>
> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
>
> "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"

and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
taking over the US.
They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
their lesson)
The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
(economically or defensively)

As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the US
for a fair chance at competing for the best product.