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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
>
> A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
>
> Loosely:
>
> "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> automobiles...."
>
> And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> ago.
>
> There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
>
> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
>
> There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
>
> CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
>
> "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
taking over the US.
They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
their lesson)
The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
(economically or defensively)
As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the US
for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in theUS
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
Guest
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
From: Robert Cohen - view profile
Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
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At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
capitalism.
Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
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I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
consciously plagarized.
So, why not drum it redux/some more.
The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
What do I mean?
Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
damneit, I en am.
The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
from the Red Meanace.
Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
....modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
And now, back to fear of the Reds:
Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
years.
If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
wonderful world this would be.
Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
(not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
be--today in shock.
Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
political-economic rhetoric of times past.
Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
explain/capture an amazing change.
Reply »
news wrote:
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> >
> > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> >
> > Loosely:
> >
> > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > automobiles...."
> >
> > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > ago.
> >
> > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> >
> > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > Chinese car and/or
> > perhaps truck will
> > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> >
> > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> >
> > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> >
> > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
>
> and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
self.)
> still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> taking over the US.
> They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> their lesson)
> The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> (economically or defensively)
>
> As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
US
> for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
Reply »
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
> Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
> Not yet ratedRating:
> show options
>
>
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> original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author
>
>
> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
>
>
>
>
>
> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
Reply »
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
> Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
> Not yet ratedRating:
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>
>
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> original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author
>
>
> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
>
>
>
>
>
> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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>
> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
>
>
>
>
>
> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
Reply »
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
9 From: Roger Johansson - view profile
Date: Sat, Jun 3 2006 2:32 am
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
> Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
> Not yet ratedRating:
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>
>
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> original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author
>
>
> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
>
>
>
>
>
> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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more impertinent re-posted fantasies & ibecillicisms:
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
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Date: Sat, Jun 3 2006 2:32 am
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1150115029.228596.211750@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
> Groups: alt.philosophy, alt.history
> Not yet ratedRating:
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>
>
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> original | Remove | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author
>
>
> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
>
>
>
>
>
> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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To get back to China:
This NYT article shows that the people are certainly aware of China's
growth & economic progress.
The Party does not allow glasnost, and is apparently successful in
maintaining the political order.
Some of us old enough would recall that the 1970's Nixonian &
enlightened liberal American theme or slant of the "recognition of Red
China," and have observed its amazing massive
"re-capitalization"/"re-capitalism" thereof would ...have hoped for
that eventual/subsequent liberalization of its internal political
culture.
Tout le monde is still waiting for that glasnost, including their
jailed dissidents & ex-patriates; but the brutal Tinamen
Square-ization maintains as Chinese Hobbesians & authoritarians &
prevailing Reds implicitly aren't unhappy.
Hey: The best hopes of men & mices get way-laid &
10. rattle around in cribs & diaper pails
9. are aka as t-r-a-g-e-d-i-e-s & absurdities & unintended
consequences
8. reaffirm that cynics' ole favorite, "told ya so"
7. the future is now, and it's too slow to matter, because in the long
run, we're all...
6. Deng, Dung....Jimmy Carter, Oprah, Uma....meet...market disciplined
capitalism with chronic political authoritarianism: an impossible
synthesis that actually works
5. Mao, that smiling despot gets to smile vs Tom Jefferson's gets the
wooden nickle
4. Hey, is all we can do about this is to get another terrific tax cut,
GWB?
3. And to sell 'em that Valadimir Lenin rope factory to hang our own
****
2. How do they cuss in Chinese? "Fungu-la-poo-poo-up-yours,
Occidentals"
1. Yeah, I do like to joke: do you know of something less serious than
the decline of the West?
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In article <1149256398.081789.277...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
robtco...@msn.com says...
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/...na-survey.html
This tells me that China is not, now, a world power. See also,
http://www.nixoncenter.org/publicati...hina&world.htm
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ch.html
Reply » Rate this post: Text for clearing space
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news wrote:
> sound like bunch of rhetoric.. pseudo-(insert whatever here)
>
>
> "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
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> At <alt.philosophy & alt.history>, me & other pswados & gratuitous
> fools have been arrogantly/condescendingly/stupidly expounding upon the
> aspect of synthesizing & combining Chinese authoritarianism with market
> capitalism.
>
> Here's the thread that an Hyundai-owner lead-off and then it went into
> argumentative tangents & off-the-walls, including my bashing of WW II
> Sweden's collaboration because an articulate Swede insulted my posting
> style's usual confusion & unorthodox ineptness.
>
> From: Robert Cohen - view profile
> Date: Tues, May 30 2006 8:59 pm
> Email: "Robert Cohen" <robtco...@msn.com>
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> I've discussed this observation at least twice-- it's not anything I've
>
> consciously plagarized.
>
> So, why not drum it redux/some more.
>
>
> The Chi Coms of the 21st century are throwing egg foo poo poo into the
> ideology of my West, and I want to observe this point once again.
>
>
> What do I mean?
>
>
> Well, you've got to be 61 years old, I suppose, to get the irony, but,
> damneit, I en am.
>
>
> The biggest bug-a-boo or fear of my childhood's 1950s was duck 'n cover
>
> from the Red Meanace.
>
>
> Polio was second: I got a Salk version shot in 1956, and apparently
> that vaccine wasn't alive, and so I'm lucky.
>
>
> Some unlucky sugar-cube swallowers apparently did get polio from that
> ...modality/technique/experiment/practice of Sabin's version.
>
>
> And now, back to fear of the Reds:
>
>
> Believe me: I was here: COMMUNISM, both Russian & Chinese, is what
> drove the international news & politics in the USA for at least 60-70
> years.
>
>
> If only them thar Commies would be capitalists like us, then ....what a
>
> wonderful world this would be.
>
>
> Today, they're seemingly eating U.S. capitalism's breakfast, lunch and
> dinner, as I post this in late spring of 2006.
>
>
> If you happen to read it in the later twenty-first century, then please
>
> be aware that the leading superpower now governing in Beiping/Peking
> (not Illinois) was once thought to be hopelessly entrenched in
> non-capitalism and thus tragically backward regressing.
>
>
> The US political sages & pundits of the prior century are--or should
> be--today in shock.
>
>
> Do not believe whole hog in half the cow-crape implication in civic
> club speeches & economics textbooks, such as: "if China were to become
> a market capitalist nation, then ...peace/nirvana," because
> conventional wisdom/ideas/paradigms are established to eventually
> collapse, as Thomas Kuhn kind of explains.
>
>
> I may be distorting & exaggerating the nuances & subtleties of the
> political-economic rhetoric of times past.
>
>
> Some would think I've missed enough of the substance too.
>
>
> Therefore, it will take better articulated analyses than mine to
> explain/capture an amazing change.
>
>
> Reply »
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> news wrote:
> > "Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150053263.172923.66090@c74g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > An olde person w/some memory of his enjoyable state university
> > > economics course circa early-mid 1960s:
> > >
> > > A respected university economics professor, whose son I coincidentally
> > > had known in grammar school, lectures to sophomore econ students:
> > >
> > > Loosely:
> > >
> > > "The Japanese (or maybe he just said "foreigners") can't out-do us in
> > > automobiles...."
> > >
> > > And this is something Americans once generally thought--not so long
> > > ago.
> > >
> > > There is little to no doubt in my mind that the Chery (with that
> > > shameless name knockoff) or whatever brand name shall succeeed.
> > >
> > > Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> > > Chinese car and/or
> > > perhaps truck will
> > > be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
> > >
> > > There was a cliche that people sort of awesomely* scoffed-at
> > >
> > > CHINA HAS THE POTENTIAL OF FIVE JAPANS
> > >
> > > "awesome" is the word that first comes to my mind, but I admit it here
> > > is oxymoronic--any suggestions for a better modifier of "scoffed?"
> >
> > and look at what happened to the Japanese.......(history repeating it
> self.)
> > still trying to recover from a 10+ year economic downturn.
> > the 80's where many (including myself) that believed the Japanese were
> > taking over the US.
> > They bought out land at outrageous property values.. (they soon learned
> > their lesson)
> > The US is NOT stupid (in spite of what some might think)
> > for many reasons, they wont be allowed to grow bigger than the US
> > (economically or defensively)
> >
> > As long as the Japanese have a "democratic society" (or as long as "inset
> > any country here" has a "democratic society) It can stand a chance in the
> US
> > for a fair chance at competing for the best product.
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
Robert Cohen wrote:
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> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
<snip>
I have no doubt the Chinese will eventually be big in the
US car market. I think the five to ten years is pushing it,
it will probably be more like ten to fifteen.
- Mooron
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
Robert Cohen wrote:
<snip>
> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
<snip>
I have no doubt the Chinese will eventually be big in the
US car market. I think the five to ten years is pushing it,
it will probably be more like ten to fifteen.
- Mooron
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Re: chinese car chery will overcome hyundai and kia.
Robert Cohen wrote:
<snip>
> Thus my holding: It is not the least bit impossible to think that a
> Chinese car and/or
> perhaps truck will
> be a normative U.S. import within five--ten years.
<snip>
I have no doubt the Chinese will eventually be big in the
US car market. I think the five to ten years is pushing it,
it will probably be more like ten to fifteen.
- Mooron
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