Neville MADDEN

Good morning everyone,

I'm planning on buying either a new Hyundau Tucson SX (V6 2.7 Litre, Auto
Transmission) or a Subaru Forrester (base model Auto). I am leaning
towards the Hyundai as they are offering what, to me seems a better deal,
expecially the 5 year warranty. The fuel consumption on either is about
the same but the Hyundai offers more power and (I hope) that when I open
the hatchback door it doesn't dump all the accumulated rainwater on me!

I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions on the purchase. I have only
started following this newsgroup so haven't been in touch with much
discussion on the new Hyundai vehicles.


Thanks

Neville
Cootamundra NSW
Australia

Eric G.

G'day. I am a diehard Hyundai enthusiast. With that said, let me
compare the two vehicles based on what I know about the Tucson (I have
never owned one personally) and what I know about the Forrester (my
Mother owns one that I have had the chance to drive on many occasions -
a 2006 model):

- The Subaru gets better mileage irregardless of what the window
stickers say. My Mother AVERAGES 27 MPG in her Forrester. From what I
have read about the Tucson, most people get about 19-21 MPG on average.

- Build quality and reliability are about equal from where I sit.

- Warranty is Hyundai's hands down.

- Subaru service is a rip-off, but many would say the same about
Hyundai.

- I have never driven a Tucson, but the ride on the Subaru is excellent.
I suspect the same for the Tucson.

- The Tucson will give you more options and creature comforts for your
dollar.

- Subaru parts are expensive, but as I am learning about Hyundai, due to
a recent accident in my Entourage, so are the Hyundai parts (in fact,
the body shop CLAIMS that the body parts are as expensive as most
Mercedes).

That's about as objective as I can be, and I hope it helps.

Good luck.

Eric

Neville MADDEN <nrmadden@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns99794B09D8541nrmaddenyahoocom@211.29.133.5 0:

> Good morning everyone,
>
> I'm planning on buying either a new Hyundau Tucson SX (V6 2.7 Litre,
> Auto Transmission) or a Subaru Forrester (base model Auto). I am
> leaning towards the Hyundai as they are offering what, to me seems a
> better deal, expecially the 5 year warranty. The fuel consumption on
> either is about the same but the Hyundai offers more power and (I
> hope) that when I open the hatchback door it doesn't dump all the
> accumulated rainwater on me!
>
> I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions on the purchase. I have
> only started following this newsgroup so haven't been in touch with
> much discussion on the new Hyundai vehicles.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Neville
> Cootamundra NSW
> Australia
>

Neville MADDEN

Eric,

Thanks for the info.

> G'day. I am a diehard Hyundai enthusiast. With that said, let me
> compare the two vehicles based on what I know about the Tucson (I have
> never owned one personally) and what I know about the Forrester (my
> Mother owns one that I have had the chance to drive on many occasions
> - a 2006 model):
>
> - The Subaru gets better mileage irregardless of what the window
> stickers say. My Mother AVERAGES 27 MPG in her Forrester. From what
> I have read about the Tucson, most people get about 19-21 MPG on
> average.

The 21mpg (US I assume) works out to about the 11 litres/100km quoted
down here in Australia so I can handle that.
>
> - Build quality and reliability are about equal from where I sit.
>
> - Warranty is Hyundai's hands down.
>
> - Subaru service is a rip-off, but many would say the same about
> Hyundai.
Without checking the manufacturers specs on service I have been told that
the Hyundai's first major service is at 90,000km (55,000 mile) whereas
the Subaru is 50,000km. Here in Australia the dealer can't force you to
have a vehicle serviced at a Hyundai dealership but as long as the
service is carried out by a licenced mechanic it doesn't void your
warranty.

>
> - I have never driven a Tucson, but the ride on the Subaru is
> excellent. I suspect the same for the Tucson.
>
> - The Tucson will give you more options and creature comforts for your
> dollar.

I'm looking at the SX Tucson (V6 auto) and about the only option is a
sunroof which I'm not interested in. It comes with all the gizmos I, as
a senior citizen, would ever want.
>
> - Subaru parts are expensive, but as I am learning about Hyundai, due
> to a recent accident in my Entourage, so are the Hyundai parts (in
> fact, the body shop CLAIMS that the body parts are as expensive as
> most Mercedes).
My insurance compay's problem but I'll probably pay through increased
premiums.

>
> That's about as objective as I can be, and I hope it helps.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Eric
>
> Neville MADDEN <nrmadden@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:Xns99794B09D8541nrmaddenyahoocom@211.29.133.5 0:
>
>> Good morning everyone,
>>
>> I'm planning on buying either a new Hyundau Tucson SX (V6 2.7 Litre,
>> Auto Transmission) or a Subaru Forrester (base model Auto). I am
>> leaning towards the Hyundai as they are offering what, to me seems a
>> better deal, expecially the 5 year warranty. The fuel consumption on
>> either is about the same but the Hyundai offers more power and (I
>> hope) that when I open the hatchback door it doesn't dump all the
>> accumulated rainwater on me!
>>
>> I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions on the purchase. I have
>> only started following this newsgroup so haven't been in touch with
>> much discussion on the new Hyundai vehicles.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Neville
>> Cootamundra NSW
>> Australia
>>
>
>

Eric G.

> Eric,
>
> Thanks for the info.

You're welcome. Even with the G'day I typed I lost track of you coming
from "Down Under" :-)

>> G'day. I am a diehard Hyundai enthusiast. With that said, let me
>> compare the two vehicles based on what I know about the Tucson (I
>> have never owned one personally) and what I know about the Forrester
>> (my Mother owns one that I have had the chance to drive on many
>> occasions - a 2006 model):
>>
>> - The Subaru gets better mileage irregardless of what the window
>> stickers say. My Mother AVERAGES 27 MPG in her Forrester. From what
>> I have read about the Tucson, most people get about 19-21 MPG on
>> average.
>
> The 21mpg (US I assume) works out to about the 11 litres/100km quoted
> down here in Australia so I can handle that.

Yes, those were US gallons. Sorry. My math puts it just about right as
well.

>> - Build quality and reliability are about equal from where I sit.
>>
>> - Warranty is Hyundai's hands down.
>>
>> - Subaru service is a rip-off, but many would say the same about
>> Hyundai.
> Without checking the manufacturers specs on service I have been told
> that the Hyundai's first major service is at 90,000km (55,000 mile)
> whereas the Subaru is 50,000km. Here in Australia the dealer can't
> force you to have a vehicle serviced at a Hyundai dealership but as
> long as the service is carried out by a licenced mechanic it doesn't
> void your warranty.

I was completely comparing the dealers here in the States, having no
knowledge of the "rules" in Australia. But things do sound similar. We
have the manufacturer requirements in the manual. Then we have what the
dealer will try to perform at the regular mileage intervals. I've heard
of people paying as much as $600 for a 30,000 mile service. That is
just ridiculous considering only about 10% of that service is actually
recommended by the manufacturer. But you know they need to make a buck
to keep the lights on :-)

Here in the states, we don't need to use the dealer either. Heck, we
don't even need a licensed mechanic. We can do it ourselves too if we
want, as long as we have some type of proof that the work was performed
the warranty stays intact.

>> - I have never driven a Tucson, but the ride on the Subaru is
>> excellent. I suspect the same for the Tucson.
>>
>> - The Tucson will give you more options and creature comforts for
>> your dollar.
>
> I'm looking at the SX Tucson (V6 auto) and about the only option is a
> sunroof which I'm not interested in. It comes with all the gizmos I,
> as a senior citizen, would ever want.

That's what I mean. The Tucson is loaded by default. You pay for every
little thing on the Subaru, and sometimes you can't even buy an option
that you might want without getting a "package" with other useless or
non-desirable options as well.

>> - Subaru parts are expensive, but as I am learning about Hyundai, due
>> to a recent accident in my Entourage, so are the Hyundai parts (in
>> fact, the body shop CLAIMS that the body parts are as expensive as
>> most Mercedes).
> My insurance compay's problem but I'll probably pay through increased
> premiums.

True about the insurance company, and hopefully you'll never need their
services anyway, just something to factor into the purchase decision.

I don't think you'll be disappointed either way. You need to drive both
and see which one you like better (duh!). My Mom loves her Subie and my
Sonata and she is almost 70.

Eric

hyundaitech

While I think Eric's estimate of Forester fuel economy is a little high for
what the average user will experience, I still think you'll have better
fuel economy with the Forester.

When it comes down to it, the Tucson has all the advantages (and
disadvantages) of an SUV. The Forester, on the other hand, is much more
like a car in just about every aspect. Probably the most important thing
you should consider is whether you'd like a lighter station wagon type
vehicle or a heavier SUV type vehicle. That'll wind up being the largest
difference (aside from the performance).

Eric G.

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in
news:4f6cccd9efcf7f20f3c1142333eb37b5@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com:

> While I think Eric's estimate of Forester fuel economy is a little
> high for what the average user will experience, I still think you'll
> have better fuel economy with the Forester.
>
> When it comes down to it, the Tucson has all the advantages (and
> disadvantages) of an SUV. The Forester, on the other hand, is much
> more like a car in just about every aspect. Probably the most
> important thing you should consider is whether you'd like a lighter
> station wagon type vehicle or a heavier SUV type vehicle. That'll
> wind up being the largest difference (aside from the performance).

I have to agree. I was very surprised by the fuel economy of the
Forrester. And my Mom is no light-foot on the accelerator either. Not a
speed demon, but not like a Grandmother.

But the car-like vs. SUV-like analogy is an excellent one. It definitely
reminds me of driving a car. But, again, I have never driven a Tucson. I
did drive a Sante Fe (a pre-2007 model) and found it more "truck-like" than
I would have liked.

Eric

D&SW

Eric G's and Hyundaitech's assessment is right on. I have owned three Subies
with current being a Forester. They are great cars, and for the most part
very reliable. My forester is a 2000 with 90K miles and I get a consistent
26-27mpg. Subaru repairs are high, fortunately they are not needed often. I
am considering switching to a Tucson because of far better warranty and the
closest Subaru dealer to us is 80 mile away. I have very few bad words to
say about Subaru, however if you follow this forum, you find there is
powerful customer loyalty with Hyundai. To me that says you will probably be
pleased with either choice although my strong impression is Hyundai is not
high in fuel economy. If you live in snow country my vote goes to Subaru.
The link is a great video about what happens when you mix Russian Forester
owners, vodka, and one Land Rover on Moscow snow. funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISzVR...related&search



"Neville MADDEN" <nrmadden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99794B09D8541nrmaddenyahoocom@211.29.133.5 0...
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I'm planning on buying either a new Hyundai Tucson SX (V6 2.7 Litre, Auto
> Transmission) or a Subaru Forrester (base model Auto). I am leaning
> towards the Hyundai as they are offering what, to me seems a better deal,
> expecially the 5 year warranty. The fuel consumption on either is about
> the same but the Hyundai offers more power and (I hope) that when I open
> the hatchback door it doesn't dump all the accumulated rainwater on me!
>
> I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions on the purchase. I have only
> started following this newsgroup so haven't been in touch with much
> discussion on the new Hyundai vehicles.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Neville
> Cootamundra NSW
> Australia

QX

You might also want to post over on
alt.autos.subaru
for the opinions of Subie owners.




On 25 Jul 2007 21:19:00 GMT, Neville MADDEN <nrmadden@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Good morning everyone,
>
>I'm planning on buying either a new Hyundau Tucson SX (V6 2.7 Litre, Auto
>Transmission) or a Subaru Forrester (base model Auto). I am leaning
>towards the Hyundai as they are offering what, to me seems a better deal,
>expecially the 5 year warranty. The fuel consumption on either is about
>the same but the Hyundai offers more power and (I hope) that when I open
>the hatchback door it doesn't dump all the accumulated rainwater on me!
>
>I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions on the purchase. I have only
>started following this newsgroup so haven't been in touch with much
>discussion on the new Hyundai vehicles.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Neville
>Cootamundra NSW
>Australia

nothermark

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:59:29 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>While I think Eric's estimate of Forester fuel economy is a little high for
>what the average user will experience, I still think you'll have better
>fuel economy with the Forester.
>
>When it comes down to it, the Tucson has all the advantages (and
>disadvantages) of an SUV. The Forester, on the other hand, is much more
>like a car in just about every aspect. Probably the most important thing
>you should consider is whether you'd like a lighter station wagon type
>vehicle or a heavier SUV type vehicle. That'll wind up being the largest
>difference (aside from the performance).

Let's see - you sit higher so you can roll over easier. The old
Elantra towed more with better gas milage and would hold almost as
much. I'd really rather have an Elantra 5 door or wagon. That would
really compete with the Forrester. Are you listening Hyundai??????

Leonardo

nothermark wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:59:29 -0400, "hyundaitech"
> <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>
>> While I think Eric's estimate of Forester fuel economy is a little high for
>> what the average user will experience, I still think you'll have better
>> fuel economy with the Forester.
>>
>> When it comes down to it, the Tucson has all the advantages (and
>> disadvantages) of an SUV. The Forester, on the other hand, is much more
>> like a car in just about every aspect. Probably the most important thing
>> you should consider is whether you'd like a lighter station wagon type
>> vehicle or a heavier SUV type vehicle. That'll wind up being the largest
>> difference (aside from the performance).
>
> Let's see - you sit higher so you can roll over easier. The old
> Elantra towed more with better gas milage and would hold almost as
> much. I'd really rather have an Elantra 5 door or wagon. That would
> really compete with the Forrester. Are you listening Hyundai??????

Elantra will be available in wagon form in '08

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/...ll_be_sol.html

L.

Don Allen

The looks very much like the Hyundai version of the Kia Carens (Rondo
in the USA).

Leonardo

Don Allen wrote:
> The looks very much like the Hyundai version of the Kia Carens (Rondo
> in the USA).
>

It does..... but the Rondo is quite a bit bigger (built on the Sonata
platform)


L.

hyundaitech

Who chopped the back end of that wagon? Wagons should have more cargo area
in the rear.

Leonardo

hyundaitech wrote:
> Who chopped the back end of that wagon? Wagons should have more cargo area
> in the rear.
>


Slaves of fashion....high short rears

There are very few wagons around now that can top the 61 cu ft (seats
folded down) of my '99 elantra wagon.

L.

D&SW

Probably will not be 4WD will it?
I think I would like Elantra wagon better than Tucson, which seems a little
gas hungry.

"Leonardo" <sss@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:QbqdndrvMukAhDDbnZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@centurytel.n et...
> nothermark wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:59:29 -0400, "hyundaitech"
>> <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:
>>
>>> While I think Eric's estimate of Forester fuel economy is a little high
>>> for
>>> what the average user will experience, I still think you'll have better
>>> fuel economy with the Forester.
>>>
>>> When it comes down to it, the Tucson has all the advantages (and
>>> disadvantages) of an SUV. The Forester, on the other hand, is much more
>>> like a car in just about every aspect. Probably the most important
>>> thing
>>> you should consider is whether you'd like a lighter station wagon type
>>> vehicle or a heavier SUV type vehicle. That'll wind up being the
>>> largest
>>> difference (aside from the performance).
>>
>> Let's see - you sit higher so you can roll over easier. The old
>> Elantra towed more with better gas milage and would hold almost as
>> much. I'd really rather have an Elantra 5 door or wagon. That would
>> really compete with the Forrester. Are you listening Hyundai??????
>
> Elantra will be available in wagon form in '08
>
> http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/...ll_be_sol.html
>
> L.