Class Action Suit
01-08-2006, 01:57 AM
#31
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Re: Class Action Suit
amen testify matt ! =)
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Norm wrote:
>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>> my
>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>
> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
>
>
>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>> "all
>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>> sticker
>> says.
>
> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>
>
>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>> filed
>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>> much
>> there.
>
> I'd consider it an error in the brochure. What evidence of malice do you
> have?
>
>
>> If you have been similarly victimized, please contact your state Attorney
>> General.
>
> Victimized? Grow up.
>
>
>> The window stickers are applied at the port of entry so this fraud
>> conspiracy goes far beyond my local Hyndai dealer.
>
> Again, what evidence do you have of either fraud or conspiracy? Do you
> know what these words even mean?
>
>
>> If enough people bring this matter to the attention of the proper
>> authorities, Hyundai will be forced to take action to remedy this
>> situation.
>
> And what remedy do you want? It seems you got an even better system than
> what you thought you were getting so where are the damages to you? When I
> bought my Jeep Comanche many moons ago, Jeep offered, as I recall, three
> different 4WD/AWD systems. The offered a completely manual system (other
> than not having manual hubs to lock), which I bought. A full-time system
> and a full-time system with a torque sensing center differential. The
> manual/part-time system was the least capable and least expense of them
> all. It seems to me that you got more rather than less.
>
> Matt
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Norm wrote:
>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>> my
>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>
> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
>
>
>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>> "all
>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>> sticker
>> says.
>
> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>
>
>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>> filed
>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>> much
>> there.
>
> I'd consider it an error in the brochure. What evidence of malice do you
> have?
>
>
>> If you have been similarly victimized, please contact your state Attorney
>> General.
>
> Victimized? Grow up.
>
>
>> The window stickers are applied at the port of entry so this fraud
>> conspiracy goes far beyond my local Hyndai dealer.
>
> Again, what evidence do you have of either fraud or conspiracy? Do you
> know what these words even mean?
>
>
>> If enough people bring this matter to the attention of the proper
>> authorities, Hyundai will be forced to take action to remedy this
>> situation.
>
> And what remedy do you want? It seems you got an even better system than
> what you thought you were getting so where are the damages to you? When I
> bought my Jeep Comanche many moons ago, Jeep offered, as I recall, three
> different 4WD/AWD systems. The offered a completely manual system (other
> than not having manual hubs to lock), which I bought. A full-time system
> and a full-time system with a torque sensing center differential. The
> manual/part-time system was the least capable and least expense of them
> all. It seems to me that you got more rather than less.
>
> Matt
01-08-2006, 09:09 AM
#32
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Re: Class Action Suit
>> Norm wrote:
>>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>>> my
>>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>>
>> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
I don't think he understands what part-time 4WD means. I didn't until I read
up on it.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/articl...html?print=yes
Part-time 4WD is actually a bad thing compared to what the vehicle actually
has. Also, I think that the use of the term "part-time 4WD" on the window
sticker resulted from a Korean-English translation error. You know, it's
only on part of the time.
>>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>>> "all
>>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>>> sticker
>>> says.
>>
>> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
>> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>>
>>
>>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>>> filed
>>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>>> much
>>> there.
Maybe they already knew the difference, and understood that you got
something better than what they descibed on the sticker.
>>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>>> my
>>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>>
>> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
I don't think he understands what part-time 4WD means. I didn't until I read
up on it.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/articl...html?print=yes
Part-time 4WD is actually a bad thing compared to what the vehicle actually
has. Also, I think that the use of the term "part-time 4WD" on the window
sticker resulted from a Korean-English translation error. You know, it's
only on part of the time.
>>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>>> "all
>>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>>> sticker
>>> says.
>>
>> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
>> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>>
>>
>>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>>> filed
>>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>>> much
>>> there.
Maybe they already knew the difference, and understood that you got
something better than what they descibed on the sticker.
01-08-2006, 09:09 AM
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Re: Class Action Suit
>> Norm wrote:
>>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>>> my
>>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>>
>> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
I don't think he understands what part-time 4WD means. I didn't until I read
up on it.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/articl...html?print=yes
Part-time 4WD is actually a bad thing compared to what the vehicle actually
has. Also, I think that the use of the term "part-time 4WD" on the window
sticker resulted from a Korean-English translation error. You know, it's
only on part of the time.
>>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>>> "all
>>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>>> sticker
>>> says.
>>
>> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
>> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>>
>>
>>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>>> filed
>>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>>> much
>>> there.
Maybe they already knew the difference, and understood that you got
something better than what they descibed on the sticker.
>>> I purchased a new 05 Santa Fe LX last year. One of the major reasons for
>>> my
>>> purchase was the electronic part time 4WD.
>>
>> Why was part-time 4WD a major reason?
I don't think he understands what part-time 4WD means. I didn't until I read
up on it.
http://auto.consumerguide.com/articl...html?print=yes
Part-time 4WD is actually a bad thing compared to what the vehicle actually
has. Also, I think that the use of the term "part-time 4WD" on the window
sticker resulted from a Korean-English translation error. You know, it's
only on part of the time.
>>> I am now told by my dealer as well as Hyundai USA that this vehicle is
>>> "all
>>> time 4WD" despite what the brochure, all web sites, and the window
>>> sticker
>>> says.
>>
>> The web site has the 2006 model now, but it clearly suggests that the 4WD
>> is either "mechanical full-time" or "electronic automatic."
>>
>>
>>> I consider this to be a pretty serious case of bait and switch. I have
>>> filed
>>> complaints with the PA Attorney General and the US Attorney requesting
>>> initiation of a class action law suit. Also the FTC but I don't expect
>>> much
>>> there.
Maybe they already knew the difference, and understood that you got
something better than what they descibed on the sticker.
01-08-2006, 10:39 AM
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Re: Class Action Suit
nothermark wrote:
> Sounds like a legal Troll trying to get more people so he can say he
> has a crowd of folks too stupid to understand the issue. His deired
> en is to show we are soooo stupid that big daddy government has to
> step in and award his legal council a fat fee for pointing it out.
That conspiracy theory is a lot more plausible than the one that Norm
postulated. Slimeball attorneys do this all the time.
> Sounds like a legal Troll trying to get more people so he can say he
> has a crowd of folks too stupid to understand the issue. His deired
> en is to show we are soooo stupid that big daddy government has to
> step in and award his legal council a fat fee for pointing it out.
That conspiracy theory is a lot more plausible than the one that Norm
postulated. Slimeball attorneys do this all the time.
01-08-2006, 10:39 AM
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Re: Class Action Suit
nothermark wrote:
> Sounds like a legal Troll trying to get more people so he can say he
> has a crowd of folks too stupid to understand the issue. His deired
> en is to show we are soooo stupid that big daddy government has to
> step in and award his legal council a fat fee for pointing it out.
That conspiracy theory is a lot more plausible than the one that Norm
postulated. Slimeball attorneys do this all the time.
> Sounds like a legal Troll trying to get more people so he can say he
> has a crowd of folks too stupid to understand the issue. His deired
> en is to show we are soooo stupid that big daddy government has to
> step in and award his legal council a fat fee for pointing it out.
That conspiracy theory is a lot more plausible than the one that Norm
postulated. Slimeball attorneys do this all the time.
01-08-2006, 10:46 AM
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Re: Class Action Suit
There's a concept called "growing up and acting like an adult". Perhaps
you should look THAT up, since evidently your parents didn't explain it
to you. Then again, perhaps you're too stupid to understand it.
You got MORE than you paid for and you're claiming you were
"victimized"? That SHOULD get laughed out of court in any state!
you should look THAT up, since evidently your parents didn't explain it
to you. Then again, perhaps you're too stupid to understand it.
You got MORE than you paid for and you're claiming you were
"victimized"? That SHOULD get laughed out of court in any state!
01-08-2006, 10:46 AM
#37
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Re: Class Action Suit
There's a concept called "growing up and acting like an adult". Perhaps
you should look THAT up, since evidently your parents didn't explain it
to you. Then again, perhaps you're too stupid to understand it.
You got MORE than you paid for and you're claiming you were
"victimized"? That SHOULD get laughed out of court in any state!
you should look THAT up, since evidently your parents didn't explain it
to you. Then again, perhaps you're too stupid to understand it.
You got MORE than you paid for and you're claiming you were
"victimized"? That SHOULD get laughed out of court in any state!
01-08-2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: Class Action Suit
question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
desired?
you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
Then why did you buy it?
maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
"Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand what
> they are reading in those groups.
>
> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>
> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>
> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>
> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>
> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
> confident
> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
desired?
you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
Then why did you buy it?
maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
"Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand what
> they are reading in those groups.
>
> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>
> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>
> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>
> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>
> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
> confident
> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
01-08-2006, 03:20 PM
#39
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Re: Class Action Suit
question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
desired?
you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
Then why did you buy it?
maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
"Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand what
> they are reading in those groups.
>
> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>
> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>
> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>
> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>
> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
> confident
> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
desired?
you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
Then why did you buy it?
maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
"Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand what
> they are reading in those groups.
>
> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>
> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>
> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>
> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>
> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
> confident
> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
01-08-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: Class Action Suit
Maybe the buttmunch did'nt know the differance to start with !!!!
"Jody" <locamrcow@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
> desired?
> you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
> Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
> Then why did you buy it?
> maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
>
> "Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
>> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand
>> what
>> they are reading in those groups.
>>
>> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
>> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
>> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>>
>> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>>
>> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
>> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>>
>> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
>> confident
>> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
"Jody" <locamrcow@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news
uewf.294$W03.74769@news20.bellglobal.com...> question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
> desired?
> you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
> Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
> Then why did you buy it?
> maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
>
> "Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
>> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand
>> what
>> they are reading in those groups.
>>
>> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
>> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
>> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>>
>> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>>
>> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
>> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>>
>> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
>> confident
>> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
01-08-2006, 04:02 PM
#41
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Re: Class Action Suit
Maybe the buttmunch did'nt know the differance to start with !!!!
"Jody" <locamrcow@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
newsuewf.294$W03.74769@news20.bellglobal.com...
> question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
> desired?
> you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
> Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
> Then why did you buy it?
> maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
>
> "Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
>> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand
>> what
>> they are reading in those groups.
>>
>> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
>> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
>> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>>
>> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>>
>> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
>> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>>
>> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
>> confident
>> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
"Jody" <locamrcow@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news
uewf.294$W03.74769@news20.bellglobal.com...> question is, why did u buy it if it wassnt the four wheel drive system you
> desired?
> you obviousely know the difference between part time 4wd and awd.
> Did you not notice lack of 4wd lever buttom or transfer case lever?
> Then why did you buy it?
> maybye someone used the wrong sticker, happens.
>
> "Norm" <norm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FyPvf.4921$lb.426718@news1.epix.net...
>>I am continually amazed that people are somehow smart enough to access
>> Usenet Newsgroups yet they lack the native intelligence to understand
>> what
>> they are reading in those groups.
>>
>> Federal Law, specifically 15 U.S.C. 1231 et seq., requires the so called
>> window sticker to be affixed to automobiles at the port of entry. This
>> sticker lists the standard and optional features of the vehicle.
>>
>> When the ACTUAL features differ from what is listed that is FRAUD.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you are too stupid to understand this simple concept.
>>
>> There is not much more I can do to explain it to you. Please go to your
>> local library and ask the librarian for assistance.
>>
>> I have retained private counsel and fully intend to sue, but feel
>> confident
>> that at least one of the 50 States' AGs will bring a cause of action.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
01-08-2006, 07:58 PM
#42
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Re: Class Action Suit
We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
for at least one of them.
01-08-2006, 07:58 PM
#43
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Re: Class Action Suit
We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
for at least one of them.
01-09-2006, 10:22 AM
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Re: Class Action Suit
Bob wrote:
> We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
> http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
> for at least one of them.
So, he likes soccer and is still running Windows 98? I'm not sure if the
other one is legit or not.
> We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
> http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
> for at least one of them.
So, he likes soccer and is still running Windows 98? I'm not sure if the
other one is legit or not.
01-09-2006, 10:22 AM
#45
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Re: Class Action Suit
Bob wrote:
> We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
> http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
> for at least one of them.
So, he likes soccer and is still running Windows 98? I'm not sure if the
other one is legit or not.
> We've got ourselves a winner with this "Norm" guy. His history:
> http://tinyurl.com/86luz You'll have to accept google's "adult access" page
> for at least one of them.
So, he likes soccer and is still running Windows 98? I'm not sure if the
other one is legit or not.