Curlyque

On Jul 3, 10:08 am, frijoli <crab...@dud.net> wrote:
> Curlyque wrote:
>
> your attitude could lead to road rage
>
> > with all its dire consequences.
>
> > L.
>
> No question about the road rage. My Brother in law, a state trooper,
> said that out of all the incidents of road rage he's dealt with, the
> driver that got the ticket said the same things.
> The person in front was blocking traffic, and, or driving too slow in
> the left lane. The slow drivers comment: He doesn't own the road.
>
> The unfortunate thing is, slow drivers don't get it either, they think
> everyone should follow their lead, but they are the ones causing the
> irritation.

Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
since the topic is saving resources. It's just the way it plays out.
No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.

JMHO

L.

frijoli

Curlyque wrote:
> On Jul 3, 10:08 am, frijoli <crab...@dud.net> wrote:
>> Curlyque wrote:
>>
>> your attitude could lead to road rage
>>
>>> with all its dire consequences.
>>> L.
>> No question about the road rage. My Brother in law, a state trooper,
>> said that out of all the incidents of road rage he's dealt with, the
>> driver that got the ticket said the same things.
>> The person in front was blocking traffic, and, or driving too slow in
>> the left lane. The slow drivers comment: He doesn't own the road.
>>
>> The unfortunate thing is, slow drivers don't get it either, they think
>> everyone should follow their lead, but they are the ones causing the
>> irritation.
>
> Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
> should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
> since the topic is saving resources. It's just the way it plays out.
> No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
> how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
> Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>
> JMHO
>
> L.

What it boils down to is that you consider someone driving faster than
you "aggressive".

I say I won't ride your ***, ever, if your in the right hand lane. If
you are in the left lane I expect you to move over at your first
opportunity, when you see a faster driver behind you. It's called
driving etiquette.

This is the way drivers around the world behave. Everyone is welcome to
save fuel all they want, just don't force me to do it.

Clay

Mike Marlow

"Curlyque" <sunsideserve@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
> should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
> since the topic is saving resources.

How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.

> It's just the way it plays out.
> No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
> how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
> Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>

Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers pose
problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is fast
enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace. There
is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
resources".

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Curlyque

On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
> > should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
> > since the topic is saving resources.
>
> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.

When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.




>
> > It's just the way it plays out.
> > No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
> > how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
> > Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>
> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers pose
> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is fast
> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace. There
> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
> resources".

The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
horn, cuss them out, run them over?



>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net

jp103

Curlyque wrote:
> On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
>>> should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
>>> since the topic is saving resources.
>> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
>> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.
>
> When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
> the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.
>
>
>
>
>>> It's just the way it plays out.
>>> No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
>>> how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
>>> Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers pose
>> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is fast
>> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace. There
>> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
>> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
>> resources".
>
> The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
> speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
> decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
> I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
> from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
> gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
> horn, cuss them out, run them over?

No one is saying that you can't go 45. Since the minimum speed limit is
45, as you say, and since I am sure that you are aware that the left
lane is for passing only, we should not expect that you will be slowing
down the normal flow of traffic in the left lane. Perhaps you are also
aware that bicycles and scooters, under a minimum size, are barred from
the interstates as well so you raise a moot point about what people may
do when encountering them on the interstate.
By the way I admire your attitude that one should consider it their
lucky day that you decide to go the speed limit. Just as the fast
driver may be a hazard to the general motoring public so might the slow
one, as the real problem in interstate driving is not the speed that the
motorists are going but the differential in speeds among those motorist.
That is why, if you were to watch auto racing, you would see few
wrecks (other than those caused by equipment failure) that are not the
result of a slower driver being hit from behind.

>
>
>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net
>

Curlyque

On Jul 4, 12:31 pm, jp103 <jpoinier11052...@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
> Curlyque wrote:
> > On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> >> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
> >>> should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
> >>> since the topic is saving resources.
> >> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
> >> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.
>
> > When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
> > the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.
>
> >>> It's just the way it plays out.
> >>> No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
> >>> how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
> >>> Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
> >> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers pose
> >> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is fast
> >> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace. There
> >> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
> >> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
> >> resources".
>
> > The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
> > speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
> > decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
> > I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
> > from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
> > gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
> > horn, cuss them out, run them over?
>
> No one is saying that you can't go 45. Since the minimum speed limit is
> 45, as you say, and since I am sure that you are aware that the left
> lane is for passing only, we should not expect that you will be slowing
> down the normal flow of traffic in the left lane. Perhaps you are also
> aware that bicycles and scooters, under a minimum size, are barred from
> the interstates as well so you raise a moot point about what people may
> do when encountering them on the interstate.
> By the way I admire your attitude that one should consider it their
> lucky day that you decide to go the speed limit. Just as the fast
> driver may be a hazard to the general motoring public so might the slow
> one, as the real problem in interstate driving is not the speed that the
> motorists are going but the differential in speeds among those motorist.
> That is why, if you were to watch auto racing, you would see few
> wrecks (other than those caused by equipment failure) that are not the
> result of a slower driver being hit from behind.

I wasn't speaking exclusively about interstate driving. What is your
version of driving etiquette if I'm doing the speed limit, or slightly
under, on a two lane road? I have calculated that I get the best
mileage at 53/54 with the car I drive most often. If you push me to go
faster you're costing me money. What about driving on city streets
which will likely soon be carrying more scooter and bicycle traffic?
Where do your rights end and mine begin?

And yes, I completely agree that 'going with the flow' on a busy,
multi-lane limited access road, is the safest way to drive.


L.

jp103

Curlyque wrote:
> On Jul 4, 12:31 pm, jp103 <jpoinier11052...@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
>> Curlyque wrote:
>>> On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>>>> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
>>>>> should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
>>>>> since the topic is saving resources.
>>>> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
>>>> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.
>>> When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
>>> the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.
>>>>> It's just the way it plays out.
>>>>> No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
>>>>> how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
>>>>> Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>>>> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers pose
>>>> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is fast
>>>> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace. There
>>>> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
>>>> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
>>>> resources".
>>> The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
>>> speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
>>> decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
>>> I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
>>> from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
>>> gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
>>> horn, cuss them out, run them over?
>> No one is saying that you can't go 45. Since the minimum speed limit is
>> 45, as you say, and since I am sure that you are aware that the left
>> lane is for passing only, we should not expect that you will be slowing
>> down the normal flow of traffic in the left lane. Perhaps you are also
>> aware that bicycles and scooters, under a minimum size, are barred from
>> the interstates as well so you raise a moot point about what people may
>> do when encountering them on the interstate.
>> By the way I admire your attitude that one should consider it their
>> lucky day that you decide to go the speed limit. Just as the fast
>> driver may be a hazard to the general motoring public so might the slow
>> one, as the real problem in interstate driving is not the speed that the
>> motorists are going but the differential in speeds among those motorist.
>> That is why, if you were to watch auto racing, you would see few
>> wrecks (other than those caused by equipment failure) that are not the
>> result of a slower driver being hit from behind.
>
> I wasn't speaking exclusively about interstate driving. What is your
> version of driving etiquette if I'm doing the speed limit, or slightly
> under, on a two lane road? I have calculated that I get the best
> mileage at 53/54 with the car I drive most often. If you push me to go
> faster you're costing me money. What about driving on city streets
> which will likely soon be carrying more scooter and bicycle traffic?
> Where do your rights end and mine begin?
>
> And yes, I completely agree that 'going with the flow' on a busy,
> multi-lane limited access road, is the safest way to drive.
>
>
> L.
I have no problem if you are going the speed limit on a two lane road
nor do I have a problem if you are going the speed limit while passing
on the interstate. I do have a problem, if you are cruising in the left
hand lane at, or below, the speed limit and not passing, or do not move
over to allow others to pass because there is a slower moving vehicle in
the distance (being a relative term but generally taking more than a
minute or two to overtake).

As far as bicycles (scooters should be able to keep up with the flow of
most urban traffic) go the law states that a cyclist has the same rights
as a motorist. Being a cyclist myself and realizing that I may have the
same rights as a motorist there are certain streets in my city that, in
my estimation, are dangerous to exercise those rights. When there are
curb cuts in the sidewalk I will opt to ride on the sidewalk rather
than try to ride up a hill on a street where traffic is heavy and
and the lanes are narrow. I would do this not out of etiquette but more
importantly out of a need for survival and common sense. Just because
you have the right does not mean that you should insist on that right to
the detriment of your well-being. After having several fellow cyclist
get hit by vehicles I realize that the 2000#+ always win whether they
are right or not.

Don P.

jp103 <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> scribbled:

> I do have a problem, if you are cruising in the
> left hand lane at, or below, the speed limit and not passing, or do
> not move over to allow others to pass because there is a slower moving
> vehicle in the distance (being a relative term but generally taking
> more than a minute or two to overtake).



This, in Illinois, is illegal (with some reasonable exceptions) and can get
you a ticket if there are cars behind you trying to pass.



Anyone driving faster than me is a maniac; anyone driving slower than me is
an idiot. ;-)

Mike Marlow

"Curlyque" <sunsideserve@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dbe61f78-2a72-4e17-a9e2-2c96890c8ed3@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
>> > should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
>> > since the topic is saving resources.
>>
>> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
>> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.
>
> When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
> the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.
>
>

There you go again. No one ever said anything about exceeding the speed
limit. Quite the opposite, it's easy to find oneself behind pokey people
who feel no one needs to go any faster than they are, or that no one needs
to get off a light any faster than they choose to.

Speeding alone does not make aggressive driving. Those who hold up lines of
traffice while driving under the speed limit are just as aggressive as those
who act aggressively at higher speeds.


>
>
>>
>> > It's just the way it plays out.
>> > No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
>> > how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
>> > Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>>
>> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers
>> pose
>> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is
>> fast
>> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace.
>> There
>> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
>> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
>> resources".
>
> The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
> speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
> decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
> I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
> from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
> gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
> horn, cuss them out, run them over?
>
>

You are a fool.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net
>

Curlyque

On Jul 4, 9:02 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dbe61f78-2a72-4e17-a9e2-2c96890c8ed3@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 4, 7:15 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@alltel.net> wrote:
> >> "Curlyque" <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4d0ede6d-3f89-4bcb-a82e-dcc2aa978332@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Those aren't my feelings, but I do feel that the less aggresive driver
> >> > should have the right of way, not the other way around, especially
> >> > since the topic is saving resources.
>
> >> How does being the faster of two drivers equate to being more aggresive?
> >> Being more urgent in life has nothing to do with aggression.
>
> > When someone exceeds the speed limit they are agressive and breaking
> > the law. I won't yield an inch to that kind of driver.
>
> There you go again. No one ever said anything about exceeding the speed
> limit. Quite the opposite, it's easy to find oneself behind pokey people
> who feel no one needs to go any faster than they are, or that no one needs
> to get off a light any faster than they choose to.
>
> Speeding alone does not make aggressive driving. Those who hold up lines of
> traffice while driving under the speed limit are just as aggressive as those
> who act aggressively at higher speeds.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > It's just the way it plays out.
> >> > No matter how slow one goes, there is always someone slower. No matter
> >> > how fast one goes there is always someone who wants to drive faster.
> >> > Each driving situation calls for a separate evaluation and action.
>
> >> Of course, but as was stated, as often as genuinely aggressive drivers
> >> pose
> >> problems, so do those who sputter along with the attitude that this is
> >> fast
> >> enough, and everyone else around me should be satisfied at this pace.
> >> There
> >> is a reason that most states have laws about obstructing the flow of
> >> traffic. To quote a phrase, "especially since the topic is saving
> >> resources".
>
> > The minimum speed limit on an interstate, and most other roads with a
> > speed limit of 55 and over, is 45. Consider it your lucky day if I
> > decide to go the speed limit not the minimum. I am within the law and
> > I'll decide how fast I want to go. Not everyone is urgently moving
> > from one place to another. What are you going to do when gas is 15 a
> > gallon and the roads are full of bicycles and scooters, lay on the
> > horn, cuss them out, run them over?
>
> You are a fool.
--
Oh man, not one of those types. They seem to be everywhere these
days.......know it alls without a life.

OK, your right and I'm wrong....whatever

L.

Mike Marlow

"Curlyque" <sunsideserve@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> You are a fool.
> --
> Oh man, not one of those types. They seem to be everywhere these
> days.......know it alls without a life.

You know what they say - if everyone around you is telling you the same
thing...

Not a know it all in life. In fact I'd suggest that's how you are
presenting yourself in this dialog. You have consistently misrepresented
the comments of every other posted in this thread in order to position their
comments as some extreme statement that they never made. You then went on
to proclaim how you would force your way on everyone else, regardless of the
propriety of that action, and wrapped it all up in a wrapper of extreme
alarmist rhetoric. You've pretty well proven yourself incapable of
reasonable conversation.

>
> OK, your right and I'm wrong....whatever
>

No - I'm simply another point of view. That appears to be something you
have difficulty with.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net