marchandmike@hotmail.com

Hi, I'm considering buying my first Hyundai. I've owned lots of GM
products and I'm fed up with their garbage, I currently own a Ford and
it's OK but I don't really like any of Fords current offerings in my
price range -- all the other imports are too expensive for my budget.

I looked at the Elantra GLS and it seems like a decent car, but I'm
worried about the reliability / durability of the car and the warranty.
If you guys & gals could help me out with a few questions I'd greatly
appreciate it!!

Is the warranty as good as it sounds? Cover parts & labor for the
duration and is it transferable to a new owner on resale?

What is a reasonable price to pay for an Elantra GLS w/ 5-speed, cruise
control & the CD player? The local Las Vegas dealer has a stupid "LV
Market Surcharge" of around $1700 on top of the MSRP. I don't know how
firm they are on that & I would not buy the car if they play hardball
-- I'd rather drive 100 miles to Arizona or California or anywhere else
to save that kind of money.

How much should I be paying for the car, rebates included?? I think
the MSRP is something like $14,400.

What is your overall opinion of this car? Is it a good machine for the
money or are Hyundai's still disposable cars like they were in the
past? Consumer Reports seems to give them a decent rating...
Thanks for your input!!

Dances With Crows

On 21 Jan 2005 11:36:11 -0800, marchandmike@hotmail.com staggered into
the Black Sun and said:
> Hi, I'm considering buying my first Hyundai. I looked at the Elantra
> GLS and it seems like a decent car, but I'm worried about the
> reliability / durability of the car and the warranty.

A number of people have said, "For the Elantra, the 4-banger engine is
not that reliable. Get the V6 if you can," on this newsfroup.

> Is the warranty as good as it sounds? Cover parts & labor for the
> duration and is it transferable to a new owner on resale?

In the USA, the powertrain warranty is not transferable to a new owner.
Also remember that many dealers have many excuses about why your
particular problem is not covered by the warranty and are very
experienced at pulling those excuses from their *****.

> What is a reasonable price to pay for an Elantra GLS w/ 5-speed,
> cruise control & the CD player? How much should I be paying for the
> car, rebates included?? I think the MSRP is something like $14,400.

I'll let the Elantra owners answer that question.

> What is your overall opinion of this car? Is it a good machine for
> the money or are Hyundai's still disposable cars like they were in the
> past?

I've had a 2003 Tiburon for the last 1.7 years, and it's been great.
It's been in the shop for scheduled maintenance, 2 recalls, and minor
damage caused by me running over a raccoon at 70mph. No component
failures, no weird problems, and only one of the recalls was serious
("If car is > 2 years old, rear brake lines may fail.") Tiburons are
not Elantras, but if they built your Elantra the same way they built my
Tiburon, you'll have few problems. HTH,

--
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Swingman

<marchandmike@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1106336171.002375.13940@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi, I'm considering buying my first Hyundai. I've owned lots of GM
> products and I'm fed up with their garbage, I currently own a Ford and
> it's OK but I don't really like any of Fords current offerings in my
> price range -- all the other imports are too expensive for my budget.
>
> I looked at the Elantra GLS and it seems like a decent car, but I'm
> worried about the reliability / durability of the car and the warranty.
> If you guys & gals could help me out with a few questions I'd greatly
> appreciate it!!
>
> Is the warranty as good as it sounds? Cover parts & labor for the
> duration and is it transferable to a new owner on resale?
>
> What is a reasonable price to pay for an Elantra GLS w/ 5-speed, cruise
> control & the CD player? The local Las Vegas dealer has a stupid "LV
> Market Surcharge" of around $1700 on top of the MSRP. I don't know how
> firm they are on that & I would not buy the car if they play hardball
> -- I'd rather drive 100 miles to Arizona or California or anywhere else
> to save that kind of money.
>
> How much should I be paying for the car, rebates included?? I think
> the MSRP is something like $14,400.
>
> What is your overall opinion of this car? Is it a good machine for the
> money or are Hyundai's still disposable cars like they were in the
> past? Consumer Reports seems to give them a decent rating...
> Thanks for your input!!

I love my Elantra GLS 2003. Almost 30k and no problems at all. As far as price I suggest checking at www.edmunds.com There you can put together the exact combination of options you want and see the invoice, MSRP, and what Edmund's calls TMV (true market value?).

afob3

I'm on my 4th Hyundai. While none of them were an Elantra, I believe
the build good cars.

There is no V6 availble on the Elantra in the US.

The 10/100 powertrain waranty is only good to the original owener.
(unless you sell or give it to someone else in the family. The 6 year
/ 60k mile bumper to bumper does transfer to subsequent owners.

Absolutely you should skip that LV value fee. Lots of major metro
areas are doing that now so make sure any negotiating you do is down
from MSRP instead of MSRP + that BS fee.

I have never had a problem getting waranty issues taken care of and I'm
pretty picky about the slightest squeakes, rattles and nuisances if
they arise.

Just like any other make of car out there your view of the ownership
experience is going to rely on how you feel the svc. dept. takes care
of you. Some dealers are more sales oriented than service so ask
around. When I moved across PA to where I am at now, I would politely
stop people in parking lots and ask them who they used and what their
opinion was.

IMO.... I think all of Hyundai's line is full of goodies for less
money than a comparable toyota or honda. Plus you get way more waranty
coverage.

The only downside I see is depreciation. Because of Hyundai's early
flops in the US market they loose value more quickly than other makes.
This isn't a big deal if you hold on to your cars for a while.

hyundaitech

The four cylinder issues were in the Sonata, not the Elantra. The 4-cyl in
the Elantra is the only engine available and it's quite reliable.

Actually, the Elantra is very similar to the 4-cyl Tiburon.

hyundaitech

The basic warranty is 5 years or 60k miles, whichever comes first. It
covers pretty much the entire car (including the headlamp bulbs for no
apparent reason) except for maintenance items.

The radio is an exception (also for no apparent reason), and is covered
for three years/36k miles.

Maintenance items include bulbs, belts, brake pads, wipers, etc. and are
covered for 1 year/12k miles.

The powertrain coverage which is not transferable to future owners is for
10 years/100k miles. It covers internal engine parts and internal trans
parts, water pump, gaskets, timing belt (provided you replace it when it's
time), motor mounts, drive axles, and drive axle bearings.

Neil J. Hubbard

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> The four cylinder issues were in the Sonata, not the Elantra. The 4-cyl
> in
> the Elantra is the only engine available and it's quite reliable.
>
> Actually, the Elantra is very similar to the 4-cyl Tiburon.

When I bought my Elantra GT, the salesman referred to it as the "family
Tiburon".

Regards,

Neil

marchandmike@hotmail.com

Swingman wrote:
> I love my Elantra GLS 2003. Almost 30k and no problems at all. As
far as
> price I suggest checking at www.edmunds.com There you can put
together the
> exact combination of options you want and see the invoice, MSRP, and
what
> Edmund's calls TMV (true market value?).



I was curious... how much did you pay for your Elantra and what options
did it include? Edmunds says the TMV for the model I'm after, in Las
Vegas, should be around $11,000

Thanks.

Jacob Suter

Neil J. Hubbard wrote:
> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:3d89af6574d16045d1f069b6c07fb7a1@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>
>>The four cylinder issues were in the Sonata, not the Elantra. The 4-cyl
>>in
>>the Elantra is the only engine available and it's quite reliable.
>>
>>Actually, the Elantra is very similar to the 4-cyl Tiburon.
>
>
> When I bought my Elantra GT, the salesman referred to it as the "family
> Tiburon".

I think the 2.7L in the Elantra 5-door would be an instant hit. Even
with the lame 4-speed auto, and preferably the 6 speed stick as an option.

So with the 2.7, add the AWD option. It wouldn't be hard to drop a
Tuscon setup in there. Audi gets like $40k for the same basic package -
wake up Hyundai!

Oh, and they could spare the Santa Fe owners the 2.7... its a bit too
heavy of a car for it, and the 4 speed automatic's gearing sucks for it.
The 3.5's wider torque band and the 5 speed automatic are a serious
upgrade.

Add the engine/awd options, get some non-cheap looking paint, and add
some decent comfortable seating - Hyundai will have surefire winner....

JS

sirobin

A quick note from A 2004 Hyundai Elantra 4 door sedan owner.

I am fairly happy with the car, however there are some problems that I
do have:

1- Vibration noises in the interior when driving on the highway. It
almost sounds like lose metal in the doors. I took it to the dealer
about 4 times, they finally pulled the panels and tightened something
up, it's mostly gone but crops up from time to time still.

2- Brakes were making a grinding noise. They ended up replacing a bunch
of brake parts and it fixed it.

3- More wind noise then I would like driving on the highway.

Here are some of the pros

1- I have not been into putting my own car stereo into my car since I
was in my teens, however I decided to get Sirius radio, I bought a new
tuner and the Sirius box. I have to say Hyundai made it easy to add
your own components, no BS plastic adapters, real straight forward.

2- Coldest A/C I have ever seen in any car bar none.

3- The V4 is really peppy, it's not slow or sluggish at all, when I
push the gas down it really knocks you back and takes off.

4- Handling is real good in this car, it takes curves well at higher
speeds and drives like a much more expensive car in general.

5- Gas per mile is not too bad although there are better cars out there
in this category.

6- The 10 year warranty can not be beat, and the service is average.

7 - Lots if extras in the car, you get allot for your money.

All in all I rate this car a 7 on a scale of 1 -10. Of course I reserve
the right to change this at any time since I have had it only for about
a year and 15,000 miles. :-)

Sirobin

Bob

also check carsdirect.com for their price then see if you can do better
at a dealer. I couldn't find a dealer who would match or beat the
carsdirect.com price so I bought a Sonata from them. (2004 Sonata LX for
$16,200).

Igor Matlin

I also second the suggestion to check carsdirect.com price before you go to
a dealer. In fact, print out carsdirect quote and take it with you. I did
that, and the local Chicago dealer dropped his price to within couple
hundred dollars, which was good enough for me. Unlike Edmunds, MSN Auto, or
similar pricing services, carsdirect will find you a car at the quoted
price, so many dealers treat their quote the same as a quote from a local
competitor.

I own a loaded 2002 Elantra GT hatchback for which I paid around 15k almost
three years ago. I had no major problems with it: two visits to a dealer
(one of which was to address two recall issues) and regular maintenance at
a nearby shop. It seems the Hyundai dealers have been raising their
service/maintenance prices quite a bit lately. When I took my Elantra for a
recall service, I asked about 30k service that I will need to do soon. They
quoted close to $600, which IMHO is about $400 too high.

Anyway, while there is no perfect car, and your particular vehicle may have
more problems than the average Hyundai, chances are good that you'll be a
happy camper.

HTH,

la

<marchandmike@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Swingman wrote:
>> I love my Elantra GLS 2003. Almost 30k and no problems at all. As
> far as
>> price I suggest checking at www.edmunds.com There you can put
> together the
>> exact combination of options you want and see the invoice, MSRP, and
> what
>> Edmund's calls TMV (true market value?).
>
>
>
> I was curious... how much did you pay for your Elantra and what options
> did it include? Edmunds says the TMV for the model I'm after, in Las
> Vegas, should be around $11,000
>
> Thanks.
>

Brian Nystrom

sirobin wrote:
> A quick note from A 2004 Hyundai Elantra 4 door sedan owner.
>
> I am fairly happy with the car, however there are some problems that I
> do have:
>
> 2- Brakes were making a grinding noise. They ended up replacing a bunch
> of brake parts and it fixed it.

The rotors rust quickly, so it's not unusual to hear a slight grinding
after driving in the rain or leaving the car set for several days. It
goes away after the brakes have been applied a few times.
>
> 3- More wind noise then I would like driving on the highway.

My Elantra is the quietest car I've owned, so I guess this depends on
what kind of vehicle you're coming from.
>
> Here are some of the pros

> 2- Coldest A/C I have ever seen in any car bar none.

The A/C is cold, but the heater is not as good as it could be. The
defroster is coupled to the A/C, so it's not nearly as hot as it should be.
>
> 3- The V4 is really peppy, it's not slow or sluggish at all, when I
> push the gas down it really knocks you back and takes off.

I agree with your performance comments, but the engine is not a V4, it's
a dual overhead cam inline 4
>
> 4- Handling is real good in this car, it takes curves well at higher
> speeds and drives like a much more expensive car in general.

I found it to have too much understeer in it's stock configuration. This
is easily remedied by installing the 19mm rear sway bar from the '03
Tiburon (the stock Elantra bar is 13mm). This flattens out the handling
dramatically with no loss of ride quality. The parts run $135-$160
through the dealer.
>
> 5- Gas per mile is not too bad although there are better cars out there
> in this category.

I average between 30 and 34 mpg in mostly highway and back road driving
(not much city or stop and go commuting). That's quite good for a 2
liter engine.
>
> 6- The 10 year warranty can not be beat, and the service is average.

The service is ENTIRELY dependent on the dealer, which is true with most
cars. I happen to have an honest, trustworthy dealer in town, but I
still do most of my own work and the car has only been back to them for
a single recall in the 14K miles I've owned it.
>
> 7 - Lots if extras in the car, you get allot for your money.

Absolutely! It was the value for the money, combined with a good
experience with an Excel that convinced me to buy the Elantra GT
hatchback. The $2000 rebate at the time of purchase iced the deal for me.
>
> All in all I rate this car a 7 on a scale of 1 -10. Of course I reserve
> the right to change this at any time since I have had it only for about
> a year and 15,000 miles. :-)

At this point, I'd rate it at more like an 8.5.

Brian Nystrom

Igor Matlin wrote:

> I own a loaded 2002 Elantra GT hatchback for which I paid around 15k almost
> three years ago.

I paid $13,725 last April for my '04 Elantra GT hatchback. That included
a $2000 rebate.

> It seems the Hyundai dealers have been raising their
> service/maintenance prices quite a bit lately. When I took my Elantra for a
> recall service, I asked about 30k service that I will need to do soon. They
> quoted close to $600, which IMHO is about $400 too high.

There is nothing in the $30K service that you can't do yourself. Keep
receipts for parts and fill out the Maintenance Log that comes with the
car, and the warranty will remain in force. BTW, this is federal law,
not an opinion or something that's subject to the whims of the company.

BillyGoat

Between my children and I, we own five Hyundai's. We have never paid even
as much as the dealer invoice, generally $300-$1000 less. Most dealers
will let you see the invoice (early in negotiations) trying to make you
think that that is what they really pay for the car. They don't, they pay
much less. Ignore the MSRP, except to find out what's on the car, and any
other add-on stickers. Most dealers will add a 5$ pin strip and rust guard
as soon as they get the car and then try to charge you $500 - 1000 for it.
I always thank them for it after I buy the car. Some will also try to
charge you $400-500 for prepping the car. That really takes *****. Just
remember, your job is to get the car as cheap as you can, the dealer will
take care of himself. He will not sell the car and lose money. Don't be
afraid to walk out if they don't want to deal. They will generally call you
up the next day offering to meet your deal or come a lot closer. It does
help if you have multiple dealers around that you can go to.
bill
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<marchandmike@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106336171.002375.13940@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi, I'm considering buying my first Hyundai. I've owned lots of GM
> products and I'm fed up with their garbage, I currently own a Ford and
> it's OK but I don't really like any of Fords current offerings in my
> price range -- all the other imports are too expensive for my budget.
>
> I looked at the Elantra GLS and it seems like a decent car, but I'm
> worried about the reliability / durability of the car and the warranty.
> If you guys & gals could help me out with a few questions I'd greatly
> appreciate it!!
>
> Is the warranty as good as it sounds? Cover parts & labor for the
> duration and is it transferable to a new owner on resale?
>
> What is a reasonable price to pay for an Elantra GLS w/ 5-speed, cruise
> control & the CD player? The local Las Vegas dealer has a stupid "LV
> Market Surcharge" of around $1700 on top of the MSRP. I don't know how
> firm they are on that & I would not buy the car if they play hardball
> -- I'd rather drive 100 miles to Arizona or California or anywhere else
> to save that kind of money.
>
> How much should I be paying for the car, rebates included?? I think
> the MSRP is something like $14,400.
>
> What is your overall opinion of this car? Is it a good machine for the
> money or are Hyundai's still disposable cars like they were in the
> past? Consumer Reports seems to give them a decent rating...
> Thanks for your input!!
>