Bob

I got this in my email a couple of days ago.... It seems like they are
repeating some of the "services" by wording them differently. They don't
even include enough oil. They HAVE to know it needs six quarts... don't
they?


Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx:

A recent review of our records indicates that your 2007 Hyundai Sonata is
due for a 7,500 mile scheduled maintenance on May 07, 2007.

At 7,500 miles we recommend the following:
a.. Change engine oil & filter(up to 5qt)
a.. Lubricate shift & underbody linkage*
a.. Lubricate steering linkage*

a.. Lubricate suspension*
a.. Perform 27 point inspection
a.. Perform lubrication service

a.. Rotate 4 wheels
a.. Test charging system & battery


Additional Services Included: a.. Check and top off fluid levels*
a.. Check cooling system
a.. Check hoses, lights, & horn

a.. Check tires & pressure
a.. Inspect air filter
a.. Inspect drive belt tension

a.. Inspect drive belts & condition
a.. Inspect/adjust front & rear brakes

*If necessary. **Synthetic oil available at additional charge. Additional
maintenance items may be recommended. See your Service Advisor for prices
and details.

You can schedule this service online, simply visit your Personalized
Automotive Web Site located at www.idriveonline.com. Your username is
xxxxxx, your password is xxxxxx.
You can also schedule this service by contacting me directly at (910)
558-9999.

For your convenience, we are open Monday - Friday 7:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. and
Saturday 8:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m.

I look forward to seeing you soon.

Sincerely,

Your Service Team
Wilmington Hyundai

Wilmington Hyundai
3302 Market Street
Wilmington, NC 28403
(910) 558-9999

Edwin Pawlowski

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:FKwXh.4028$TD3.3899@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>I got this in my email a couple of days ago.... It seems like they are
>repeating some of the "services" by wording them differently. They don't
>even include enough oil. They HAVE to know it needs six quarts... don't
>they?
>
>
> Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
> A recent review of our records indicates that your 2007 Hyundai Sonata is
> due for a 7,500 mile scheduled maintenance on May 07, 2007.
>
> At 7,500 miles we recommend the following:
> a.. Change engine oil & filter(up to 5qt)

Sounds like a standard form sent out for every car sold. Many oil change
places have the "up to five quarts" in the advertised price and then charge
for any additional. Just as they asterisk the "lubricate suspension"
because most cars today don't need it.

Preventative maintenance is important, but they are going to charge you a
bundle to perform all of these services. Do you need it all? Certainly not
and most you can do yourself in about 5 minutes. At 7500 miles the simple
check of the charging system and battery is overkill. Kind of soon to
rotate tires and I want to see how they adjust your brakes.

You know you can do better.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

hyundaitech

I'd be on board with the tire rotation. 7500 miles is the norm for
recommendations.

Here's what you're getting:
-- oil change with extra charge for one quart
-- lubrication (impossible or not necessary on your car)
-- fluid check (included in most oil changes)
-- 27 point inspection (a well-managed shop does this on nearly every
car-- it allows them to find more stuff to repair)
-- tire rotation

Tom

I hate to admit it, but I paid my local dealer $75 for that worthless
service. ( I asked the question about adjusting the brakes and was told
they adjust the parking brake system. I thought it was self adjusting. It
wasn't until I got home that I checked and realized NONE of the services
performed were listed either in the book or on the website except oil
change, which I was supposed to get free. They made an allowance but then
charged for 'shop supplies', rags, and who knows what else to get the price
back up to $75. I won't be back until I REALLY need them. Hyundai of
Athens, Georgia, by the way.

I change my own oil and keep the end tabs of the filter boxes and receipts
for the oil.

Tom

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:GzyXh.50$uJ6.29@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:FKwXh.4028$TD3.3899@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>I got this in my email a couple of days ago.... It seems like they are
>>repeating some of the "services" by wording them differently. They don't
>>even include enough oil. They HAVE to know it needs six quarts... don't
>>they?
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. xxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>
>> A recent review of our records indicates that your 2007 Hyundai Sonata is
>> due for a 7,500 mile scheduled maintenance on May 07, 2007.
>>
>> At 7,500 miles we recommend the following:
>> a.. Change engine oil & filter(up to 5qt)
>
> Sounds like a standard form sent out for every car sold. Many oil change
> places have the "up to five quarts" in the advertised price and then
> charge for any additional. Just as they asterisk the "lubricate
> suspension" because most cars today don't need it.
>
> Preventative maintenance is important, but they are going to charge you a
> bundle to perform all of these services. Do you need it all? Certainly
> not and most you can do yourself in about 5 minutes. At 7500 miles the
> simple check of the charging system and battery is overkill. Kind of soon
> to rotate tires and I want to see how they adjust your brakes.
>
> You know you can do better.
> --
> Ed
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
>

hyundaitech

The shop supply charge is standard operating practice at nearly every shop,
dealer or not. You probably can't get away from it.

Disc brakes don't need adjustment. Drum brakes are self-adjusting, but
the star-wheel type adjustment mechanism is infamous for not working well.

Brian Matthews

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:54:42 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>The shop supply charge is standard operating practice at nearly every shop,
>dealer or not. You probably can't get away from it.
>
>Disc brakes don't need adjustment. Drum brakes are self-adjusting, but
>the star-wheel type adjustment mechanism is infamous for not working well.


I have a different question concerning Dealership service and brakes.

My 2004 Sonata only has 27,000 miles on it and the brakes are
original. (I bought it new)

I've noticed a vibration when slowing down from high speeds.
I took it in for an oil change and asked them to look at the brakes.
They came back and told me all 4 rotors are below the minimum size and
can't be resurfaced. How is that possible with a brand new car? I know
metallic pads have a tendency to wear down rotors faster, but
shouldn't you still be able to get at least one resurface out of them?

And, BTW? I have a mechanic I've been using for almost 20 years.
I took the car to him and he beat the price of the brake repairs.
And I don't mean by just a little, the dealer wanted over $1200.00
And my mechanic quoted me a price of $625.00. He's using premium
ceramic pads and he's getting the rotors from the dealer. Why is the
dealer charging so much? They tried to tell me those rotors are really
hard to remove, so they were charging for 6 labor hours. Does this
sound right? Thanks for the help. You're always giving the best advice
for the money. : )

Brian

Edwin Pawlowski

"Brian Matthews" <noonecares@ddd.com> wrote in message
>
> I've noticed a vibration when slowing down from high speeds.
> I took it in for an oil change and asked them to look at the brakes.
> They came back and told me all 4 rotors are below the minimum size and
> can't be resurfaced. How is that possible with a brand new car?

Seems like none of t hem can be turned any more. They are made very thin
and warp easily and thee is nothing left to turn.




> And, BTW? I have a mechanic I've been using for almost 20 years.
> I took the car to him and he beat the price of the brake repairs.
> And I don't mean by just a little, the dealer wanted over $1200.00
> And my mechanic quoted me a price of $625.00. He's using premium
> ceramic pads and he's getting the rotors from the dealer. Why is the
> dealer charging so much?

Because people pay it and don't question it. Most dealers do in fact, do a
good job or repairs, but will go overboard with your money replacing parts.
They'd rather you'd not be back with the same complaint and you quickly
forget about the charges.

You've already found the value of a good independent shop. There are plenty
of scoundrels out there , both dealers and independents, so if you find a
good one, stick with him.


They tried to tell me those rotors are really
> hard to remove, so they were charging for 6 labor hours. Does this
> sound right? Thanks for the help. You're always giving the best advice
> for the money. : )
>
> Brian

Tom

You're right, hyundaitech, the shop supplies shows up everywhere now. It's
just one more way that they have found to out the 'loss' of markup on
their cars in the showroom. It's all still there but hidden in various
places. I hate the $595 'documentation fees' that they hit you with when
you are doing the final paperwork. I negotiate that one before I go in to
that room. ). I just bought a Chevy Colorado and the dealer's fee was
$149 including the tag fees and registration/title transfer. That's much
more reasonable.

The only thing they could have adjusted on my brakes was the parking brake,
which I hope they didn't touch because I'll end up with worn out shoes.

Tom


"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
news:c12222d10c247bb6cce0704ef1ae56ac@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> The shop supply charge is standard operating practice at nearly every
> shop,
> dealer or not. You probably can't get away from it.
>
> Disc brakes don't need adjustment. Drum brakes are self-adjusting, but
> the star-wheel type adjustment mechanism is infamous for not working well.
>

hyundaitech

Probably what happened was that the dealer was fooled by the spec in the
shop manual. The shop manual lists 24.4mm as the minimum, but it should
actually be 22.4mm. I got caught by this once. Luckily, it was our own
used car, so I didn't remove a large sum of money from a customer's pocket
because of my own ignorance.

There's a technical service bulletin that makes this correction. It's TSB
04-50-001.

Six hours for replacing four rotors is a bit excessive. I'd figure about
half that for standard pricing and would be able to beat that time quite
easily.

Your mechanic can charge you so much less for a number of reasons:
1. He gets a discount on the parts he buys from the dealer. His parts
markup is up to him (or the shop for which he works).
2. His labor rate is probably lower than the dealer.
3. He is probably not gouging you by charging you more labor hours than
necessary.

The sad part is that the dealer could have probably come close to your
mechanics price and kept your business and a reasonable profit.

Brian Matthews

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:59:13 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>Probably what happened was that the dealer was fooled by the spec in the
>shop manual. The shop manual lists 24.4mm as the minimum, but it should
>actually be 22.4mm. I got caught by this once. Luckily, it was our own
>used car, so I didn't remove a large sum of money from a customer's pocket
>because of my own ignorance.
>
>There's a technical service bulletin that makes this correction. It's TSB
>04-50-001.
>
>Six hours for replacing four rotors is a bit excessive. I'd figure about
>half that for standard pricing and would be able to beat that time quite
>easily.
>
>Your mechanic can charge you so much less for a number of reasons:
>1. He gets a discount on the parts he buys from the dealer. His parts
>markup is up to him (or the shop for which he works).
>2. His labor rate is probably lower than the dealer.
>3. He is probably not gouging you by charging you more labor hours than
>necessary.
>
>The sad part is that the dealer could have probably come close to your
>mechanics price and kept your business and a reasonable profit.


Yes, six hours was too much. My mechanic had the car in and out in a
little over 3 hours, total. And he doesn't mark up the prices as much
for me because I'm a good customer. For instance, he got the rotors
from a Hyundai dealer and they were only $5.00 more than Hyundai was
going to charge. Same with the pads.

As for labor, he charged me a flat rate of $100. But I still question
why a car with only 27,000 miles has rotors that are beyond
resurfacing. Do you have a link I can go to for that bulletin? There
was also a bulletin for the torque setting on the wheels. Do you have
that number, too? And BTW? Your help is greatly appreciated.

Brian

Edwin Pawlowski

"Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:vQOXh.18$C35.10@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> You're right, hyundaitech, the shop supplies shows up everywhere now.
> It's just one more way that they have found to out the 'loss' of
> markup on their cars in the showroom. It's all still there but hidden in
> various places.

My local Buick dealer charges 2% of the cost. It is built into his billing
software. He pissed me off when he charged "shop supplies and disposal
fees" when all they did was some diagnostics. I questioned what supplies
were used and what was disposed of. They gave me a credit and a coupon for
a free oil change In the end, it is one of the factors that costs the
dealer and GM a sale.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Tom

Wow, that's cocky as hell to just say give me an extra 2% to do the
paperwork! Does a $40,000 car require more paperwork than a $5000 used car?
I would never buy from those crooks. I've had the same experience with shop
supplies to just look at a problem. Once an Olds dealer charged me $200 to
diagnose that my catalytic converter was plugged and then replaced it under
warrantee. Put a vacuum gauge on the intake manifold and you instantly know
it's plugged! Duh. They wouldn't give me the keys until I paid with the
local cops there!!! Never bought another Olds from them!


"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:4kTXh.796$tp5.101@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net. ..
>
> "Tom" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:vQOXh.18$C35.10@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> You're right, hyundaitech, the shop supplies shows up everywhere now.
>> It's just one more way that they have found to out the 'loss' of
>> markup on their cars in the showroom. It's all still there but hidden in
>> various places.
>
> My local Buick dealer charges 2% of the cost. It is built into his
> billing software. He pissed me off when he charged "shop supplies and
> disposal fees" when all they did was some diagnostics. I questioned what
> supplies were used and what was disposed of. They gave me a credit and a
> coupon for a free oil change In the end, it is one of the factors that
> costs the dealer and GM a sale.
> --
> Ed
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
>

Darby OGill

30 years ago when I was a parts guy at a dealer, we added a 2 dollar charge
to most every repair order - to cover all the brake clean, silcone spray ,
1/4-20 bolts, etc that went out the parts window to the shop. Seemed
resonable.

>

hyundaitech

You can view the technical service bulletins at www.hmaservice.com. You'll
need to register for a free account, and the site requires Internet
Explorer.

The bulletin for wheel nut torque is 03-50-003.

Brian Matthews

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:31:20 -0400, "hyundaitech"
<notpublic@not.public.com> wrote:

>You can view the technical service bulletins at www.hmaservice.com. You'll
>need to register for a free account, and the site requires Internet
>Explorer.
>
>The bulletin for wheel nut torque is 03-50-003.


Ahhh....got it. The one for the rotor size is for the front rotors
only, it appears.

Brian