"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
> news:3eb23$47a13ecf$a22700f5$7084@ALLTEL.NET:
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>> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> Not difference at all, see:
>>>
>>> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...heft-preventio
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog
>> tells you to, then just go ahead.
>
> You guys need to move to Jersey. We're not even supposed to get out of
> the
> car here. It's ILLEGAL to pump my own gas, although I always do it
> anyway.
> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.
>

Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's just
commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
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> "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
>
>> You guys need to move to Jersey. We're not even supposed to get out
>> of the
>> car here. It's ILLEGAL to pump my own gas, although I always do it
>> anyway.
>> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.
>>
>
> Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's
> just commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up.
>

LOL. Yeah, the first time we drove to VA, many years ago, to see some
family, I sat there for about 3 minutes before I realized I was supposed
to do all this work myself :-)

They actually had a sing that siad "No Drive Offs". I assume that meant
you weren't supposed to leave without paying. Duh.

Eric

 

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:57:43 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:

>
>"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
>news:Xns9A3662245B6Xz124HiiUdfEEE6@140.99.99.130. ..
>> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
>> news:3eb23$47a13ecf$a22700f5$7084@ALLTEL.NET:
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>>>
>>> "Vic Garcia" <VicGar007@at-gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47a047ba$0$22576$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>>> Not difference at all, see:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ncpc.org/topics/personal-...heft-preventio
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh well - if you want to go jumping at shadows because a cartoon dog
>>> tells you to, then just go ahead.
>>
>> You guys need to move to Jersey. We're not even supposed to get out of
>> the
>> car here. It's ILLEGAL to pump my own gas, although I always do it
>> anyway.
>> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.
>>
>
>Every time I drive into Jersey I get bit by this. Being a NY'er, it's just
>commonplace for us to jump out and fill'er up.

Oregon has a ban on fill it yourself, you can get out of the car,
though.

 

irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:57:43 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message

>
> Oregon has a ban on fill it yourself, you can get out of the car,
> though.

I thought Oregon repealed that just a few years ago? Well, no matter, I
was being facitious about getting out of the car in NJ though. You CAN get
out, just don't touch the pump.

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an authentic
>> transmission.
>
> One word. Titanic
>
If I remember correctly, the issue with the Titanic was related to something
opening - the hull - when it was preferred that that it didn't. The problem
here is the inverse.

 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:qHaoj.1534$xq2.1130@newssvr21.news.prodigy.ne t...
>>
>> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything else for an
>>> authentic transmission.
>>
>> One word. Titanic
>>
> If I remember correctly, the issue with the Titanic was related to
> something opening - the hull - when it was preferred that that it didn't.
> The problem here is the inverse.

But they said it was unsinkable. The cause does not matter. It sank. You
say it is impossible for a radio signal to overpower the receiver for the
remote. How many times have you heard "can't happen" just before the crap
hit the fan?

 

"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.

Now THAT has possibilities.

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> But they said it was unsinkable. The cause does not matter. It sank.
> You say it is impossible for a radio signal to overpower the receiver for
> the remote. How many times have you heard "can't happen" just before the
> crap hit the fan?
There's a difference between overpowering the receiver - high power RF
radiating the electronics directly, inducing voltage in traces in the
device - and some interfering source being misinterpreted as a valid
sequence. You mentioned some kind of noise on the FM radio - the suspected
source being the bank nearby. The receiver is constantly hearing signals on
315 Mhz that is ignores. Other remotes for cars, garage door transmitters,
and just plain noise. The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit
encrypted sequences to be exactly correct. That just isn't going to happen,
as I said in my original statement "There is NO WAY the receiver will
mistake anything else for an authentic transmission". It is possible for a
failure, or some kind of design defect in the receiver to randomly cause
these lockouts to occur. Hitting an iceberg with the vehicle could result in
the doors either opening, or sticking closed depending on a number of
factors.

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in news:Opvoj.1735$Ch6.764
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

>
> "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
>> I even leave the kids AND the keys in the car sometimes.
>
> Now THAT has possibilities.

Yeah, I was hoping someone with kids would pick up on that :-)

Eric

 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Hitting an iceberg with the vehicle could result in the doors either
> opening, or sticking closed depending on a number of factors.
>

No. Hitting an iceberg with a vehicle would cause the vehicle to... sink.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

 

"Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit encrypted sequences to
> be exactly correct. That just isn't going to happen, as I said in my
> original statement "There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything
> else for an authentic transmission".

I'd believe you, but life has proven that the most perfect system can fail.
Ask any accident investigator.

 

There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <bobsjunkmail@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> The decoder needs at least three separate 64 bit encrypted sequences to
>> be exactly correct. That just isn't going to happen, as I said in my
>> original statement "There is NO WAY the receiver will mistake anything
>> else for an authentic transmission".
>
> I'd believe you, but life has proven that the most perfect system can
> fail. Ask any accident investigator.
>

 

"Partner" <Murphy23@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure.
>
> --

True, but they are both a failure.

 

Partner wrote:
> There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure.
>

What???

 

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll figure it out sooner or later.

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"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Partner wrote:
>> There's a big difference in a negative failure and a positive failure.
>>
>
> What???